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Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
Every SECTOR of the sky could be scanned. That's not the problem--the problem is to rapidly eliminate random noise and known emissions from each and every recorded scan and then to analyze those that remain for intelligent content. Hope so too, Gordon. rOZZ Music Pictures |
Johnny Larsen Send message Joined: 28 Dec 14 Posts: 2 Credit: 5,150,273 RAC: 0 |
I will qoute some woman on discovery channel here (i don't recall her name). She stood on a beach and scooped some water up in a glass, looked at it, and said something along the lines of: this water represents our search for ET so far, do we look at it and say: "there is no fish in the sea" or do we conclude we have a long way to go? as i understand our search, it is relatively "simple" we look for ET's signals in certain bandwiths for a relatively short time, not knowing if it is a good place to start. a mere 100 years ago radio was in use, but if you had compared it with present times digital radios it would be nothing like the same system. Now compare it with us trying to detect a signal from a civilization maybe 1000 years more advanced than us, from a diffrent culture, that maybe live in an area where conditions be diffrent and the bandwith we search in isnt practical for some reason. The problems are huge, but if we keep chipping away at the problems who knows what we might discover. J. Larsen Truckdriver with a keen intrest in things I don't understand. |
KLiK Send message Joined: 31 Mar 14 Posts: 1304 Credit: 22,994,597 RAC: 60 |
And if we are...image, we would be king & queens of the Universe...everyone can have...not an island...not even a continent...not even a planet...not a star system...not even a quadrant...but a whole Galaxy for themselves! ;) non-profit org. Play4Life in Zagreb, Croatia, EU |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
And if we are...image, we would be king & queens of the Universe...everyone can have...not an island...not even a continent...not even a planet...not a star system...not even a quadrant...but a whole Galaxy for themselves! ;) Then we'd all be Cosmic Masters, wouldn't that be something... rOZZ Music Pictures |
Johnny Larsen Send message Joined: 28 Dec 14 Posts: 2 Credit: 5,150,273 RAC: 0 |
It was daytime, i would need more info to determine time of day. about the 100 glasses later, I find the glass thing to be a very apt analogy, because it represents our limited technology, what if for instance aliens communicate useing errrrhm, i dunno infra red lasers, then a radio telescope would be unable to catch it (from my understanding of how a radio telescope works). So to return to the glass of water, she would never be able to prove that the bluewhale lives in the sea, the glass is too small and you would never be able to wade out to where the whale lives. About truckdriver with a science intrest, I find the challange isn't to understand science as a person with a limited education, but rather that science is sometimes presented in such a way that you can't find the answer to the question that you really want answered For instance, if you take electrons, you can't know where it is, and how fast it is going at the same time as I understand it, I can accept that, but what i really want to know why can't you do that, what happens if you try? J Larsen Truckdriver with a keen intrest in things i don't understand. |
KLiK Send message Joined: 31 Mar 14 Posts: 1304 Credit: 22,994,597 RAC: 60 |
And if we are...image, we would be king & queens of the Universe...everyone can have...not an island...not even a continent...not even a planet...not a star system...not even a quadrant...but a whole Galaxy for themselves! ;) Masters of the Universe! ;) non-profit org. Play4Life in Zagreb, Croatia, EU |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
And if we are...image, we would be king & queens of the Universe...everyone can have...not an island...not even a continent...not even a planet...not a star system...not even a quadrant...but a whole Galaxy for themselves! ;) HE-Man and HE-Women ;))) rOZZ Music Pictures |
KLiK Send message Joined: 31 Mar 14 Posts: 1304 Credit: 22,994,597 RAC: 60 |
And if we are...image, we would be king & queens of the Universe...everyone can have...not an island...not even a continent...not even a planet...not a star system...not even a quadrant...but a whole Galaxy for themselves! ;) R u hitting on me? :P non-profit org. Play4Life in Zagreb, Croatia, EU |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
And if we are...image, we would be king & queens of the Universe...everyone can have...not an island...not even a continent...not even a planet...not a star system...not even a quadrant...but a whole Galaxy for themselves! ;) Nope, I'm already spoken for.. rOZZ Music Pictures |
KLiK Send message Joined: 31 Mar 14 Posts: 1304 Credit: 22,994,597 RAC: 60 |
And if we are...image, we would be king & queens of the Universe...everyone can have...not an island...not even a continent...not even a planet...not a star system...not even a quadrant...but a whole Galaxy for themselves! ;) Oh, I tought you we alreaady taken for... :D non-profit org. Play4Life in Zagreb, Croatia, EU |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
And if we are...image, we would be king & queens of the Universe...everyone can have...not an island...not even a continent...not even a planet...not a star system...not even a quadrant...but a whole Galaxy for themselves! ;) That, I don't exactly know yet, unfortunately. rOZZ Music Pictures |
ML1 Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 20291 Credit: 7,508,002 RAC: 20 |
That, I don't exactly know yet... Enjoy the adventure and enjoy fun times? :-) Good luck... ;-) Keep searchin'! Martin See new freedom: Mageia Linux Take a look for yourself: Linux Format The Future is what We all make IT (GPLv3) |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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PKII Send message Joined: 28 May 07 Posts: 165 Credit: 2,729,646 RAC: 0 |
I have been running Seti@Home since 1999 and back then I was sure that a signal would be detected during my lifetime. Now that it is 2015 I am not so sure. The optimism of youth is slowly fading. I will continue to run Seti@Home as long as there is a spark of hope. We will find the signal under the last rock we look under. |
Julie Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 |
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tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
A drunkard was looking for his lost keys under a lamppost. A helper asked him: did your lose your keys here? No, said the drunkard, over there. Then why do you look for them here?, asked the helper. Because there is more light, the drunkard replied. Maybe we are doing the same mistake, searching a wrong frequency. Tullio |
William Rothamel Send message Joined: 25 Oct 06 Posts: 3756 Credit: 1,999,735 RAC: 4 |
We are probably looking at the right frequency. We could also look at Pi times the Lyman hydrogen line series in the ultra violet. This is said to be a relatively quiet frequency series in terms of natural emissions and noise. If we are making a mistake it is more likely that we are not searching one-time strong signals for intelligent content. The idea that we could detect persistent signals such as broadcast TV, radar, etc. from nearby planets has shown no results for 50 years-probably because there are no habitable planets within this range with all of the parameters for intelligent life to form. |
Bob DeWoody Send message Joined: 9 May 10 Posts: 3387 Credit: 4,182,900 RAC: 10 |
Aren't communications between earth and it's various probes in the solar system directed beams? I have a feeling that the only omnidirectional signals would be distress signals from ships in trouble and of much shorter range than a directed beam. I think the only way we will ever intercept an intelligent signal is by pure luck or if someone else decides they wan't to communicate with us. Bob DeWoody My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events. |
tullio Send message Joined: 9 Apr 04 Posts: 8797 Credit: 2,930,782 RAC: 1 |
I would search in lower frequencies. There are two low frequency arrays, one in Europe and one in America, which could give SETI more data.Pulsars wre discovered by chance in a very simple array telescope and not by Jodrell Bank, which only confirmed the discovery. Tullio |
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