I'm with you Kong dry heat is not as bad as 75% humidity and once you got more than 2 days in the high 35+ it gets dangerous .

Winternight in Sudan if you had the choice of a a A/C I bet you would have been the first to turn it on and stand right in front of it .

And as Kong says you don't need all them heaters to warm you in winter what's wrong with a nice thick blanket , some socks and ugg boots and some gloves and a hot cuppa . No need for the heater .

So how about you poms stop using the heaters in winter and then the States and my country will stop using our A/C in summer

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So how about you poms stop using the heaters in winter and then the States and my country will stop using our A/C in summer

Hehe:)
Yes, and when will the poms start to use double glazing for instance to holding in heat. (well they have started...)
That goes for other insulates as well...
Instead they use heaters of all kind to keep them warm.

On the other hand you sleep better when it's colder.

So how about you poms stop using the heaters in winter and then the States and my country will stop using our A/C in summer

Hehe:)
Yes, and when will the poms start to use double glazing for instance to holding in heat. (well they have started...)
That goes for other insulates as well...
Instead they use heaters of all kind to keep them warm.

On the other hand you sleep better when it's colder.

The house I currently live in is VERY well insulated, and the windows are 'double glazed' (two panes of glass separated by an insulating air gap).

As to sleeping better when it is colder... uhh... maybe not so much...

But you DO sleep a lot friendlier (wink wink nudge nudge) when it is cold... That is until the blanket-wars start in the middle of the night... <wink>

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#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

But you DO sleep a lot friendlier (wink wink nudge nudge) when it is cold... That is until the blanket-wars start in the middle of the night... <wink>

Yes. And it's sounds lot better than a summer night without A/C:)

All a game of crazy politics and the real world be damned?...


Global warming and the race for the White House

Two starkly different visions of global warming are offered by Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump...

The Democratic Party contender says she believes in the science of climate change and plans to see America become a "clean energy superpower"...

By contrast, the Republican candidate talks down the threat of rising temperatures and says his priority is to cut the costs of energy for manufacturers and to revive the coal industry...

With such sharply opposing perspectives, this is the first presidential contest in which the candidates are highlighting their stances on global warming and energy, and using them to attack each other.

So how is this playing out in a swing state like Ohio, which hosts some of America's oldest coalfields and one of the most innovative solar panel makers?...

... The pollution belching from the smokestacks has been gradually limited by wave after wave of legislation - first on emissions of sulphur dioxide, then of nitrogen dioxide, and now of carbon dioxide. It's no surprise, but along this valley the Environmental Protection Agency is held in contempt. This is the body responsible for cleaning up the air and reducing greenhouse gases under President Obama's Clean Power Plan. A key Trump promise is to dismantle both the agency and the plan...

Here, Hillary Clinton is a hate figure...

... He [Trump] sees coal as abundant and homegrown, and responsible for thousands of jobs. And he talks of revitalising the industry, which goes down very well in mining country. The fact that it is the dirtiest fossil fuel is irrelevant in the Trump view because global warming is a "hoax" as he once called it, though he later said that was a joke...


All a joke?!

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All a joke?!

Yes, Drumpf is the joke and America is the butt.

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All a joke?!

Yes, Drumpf is the joke and America is the butt.

Only 50% there.

Add Frillary (Fraud Hillary).

Not in this thread, she is correct here.

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You invoke global warming... Fine and dandy. The ONLY possible solution to global warming is an IMMEDIATE, EXTREME reduction in population on the order of 99.95%. Like THAT is going to ever happen. The lifetime of the extra carbon we have put into the carbon cycle is so long (on the order of the lifetime of high-level nuclear waste... > 100,000 years) and so MUCH of human activity causes emissions of GHGs (I have linked information that shows both of these, both from peer-reviewed scientific journals and UN IPCC publications).

Humanity is doomed. We have totally and completely farked ourselves, from the moment that we figured out that we could make fire and that by putting seeds into the ground in a certain way we could grow food.

We could immediately, totally stop using any and all fossil fuels for ANYTHING and it would not be enough. There is too much anthropogenic GHG emissions from other sources.

Figuratively, Rome is burning, and there is not enough political will to 'put the fire out'.

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/aug/24/human-induced-climate-change-began-earlier-than-previously-thought

The first signs of warming from the rise in greenhouse gases which came hand-in-hand with the Industrial Revolution appear as early as 1830 in the tropical oceans and the Arctic, meaning that climate change witnessed today began about 180 years ago.

http://www.politics.co.uk/reference/population-growth

it was not until around 1830 that the global population topped 1 billion.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georgia_Guidestones

Maintain humanity under 500,000,000 in perpetual balance with nature.

http://www.geohive.com/earth/his_history3.aspx

world population 2016 7,404,976,783

Your 99.95% figure seems high. Only about 93%.
So only about 9 of 10 people on the planet need to not reproduce and we can get back into balance with nature. And that is the reason SETI has not found a signal. With that level of population there is not the possibility of sufficient advancement (idle time and resources) to communicate across the galaxy.

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Here in Tennessee they can't even drive safely in the rain. If it were raining at 5:00 PM during the drive home from work (15 miles) I could count on seeing at least 5 wrecks. Most of these were caused by Bubbas in their pick-up trucks who liked to tailgate you at 75 Miles per hour wet or dry.

As long as you have good tires and an uncluttered road, 100MPH is perfectly safe on a not-too-curvy stretch of Interstate Highway.

I like to drive fast in open, lightly travelled and lightly patrolled Interstate highways especially when I have hundreds of miles to travel that day. When there is rain or snow on the highway I slow down and, as always, maintain a wide interval between myself and the car ahead of me.

Stupid is as stupid does.

Driver's ed and Dad taught me 4 seconds apart. By 2000, people we're doing 2 seconds and one claimed that's what HE'D been taught in driver's ed in NW OHio. People these days are doing 1-2 seconds.

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Sarge, you did know you replied to a message from Jan 5, 2015?

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Your 99.95% figure seems high. Only about 93%.
So only about 9 of 10 people on the planet need to not reproduce and we can get back into balance with nature. And that is the reason SETI has not found a signal. With that level of population there is not the possibility of sufficient advancement (idle time and resources) to communicate across the galaxy.

Uhh no.

The pre-Agricultural (around 10000 BCE) revolution total global human population was somewhere between 2 and 5 million, not the 500 million you mention re: the Georgia guidestones. I use the figure 3 million.


In the balance of nature... that means NO technological advantage whatsoever... not even fire, and certainly not any agriculture. hunter-gatherer ONLY.

Re: the 1830 onset of GHG-ACC... I saw it here... Since at this date only Britain was industrialized to any extent... Blame them.



http://www.nature.com/nature/journal/v536/n7617/full/nature19082.html

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#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

Why am I not surprised about the stance of Trump and Clinton .

It mirrors the exact same thing here that the Liberal Party has done .

Pity the rich are so dumb there have forgotten what happens .

It's always the rich well educated , that will find a noose around there neck in approx. 20 years from now .

Why 20 years from now . Well that will be when everyone starts to realize it's over done and finished . Humans I mean , as it's about that time we will realize it's to late there is nothing to stop the end

If we do not stop the rise of Co2 in the next 2 decades your children will not live to there 70's

So to the Bible belt I say this read your Bible and remember what it says about the End of Days .

It will come like a thief in the night
The wars will start over it
Man will have no more resources to be able to stop it .
There will be Earth changes
And we all BURN .

And to those who vote Trump I hope you can go to bed with a clean conscious knowing you kids will not live to see there 70 birthday and will have to endure a hardship nobody since before the industrial revolution has ha to endure

It very simple vote Trump then you vote for the past and your own death .

Vote for Clinton and there is a chance we all live . Clinton is for new tech like solar panel now at 44% efficiency that's 120% better than current solar panels
New types of batteries that can be recharged 10,000 time or basically 1 full human lifetime +
Batteries now 2 times more capacity than current tech .And that's just few of the new break throughs .

Vote Trump you vote for 100 year old tech that is killing us all or to put it another way he's for suppression of new tech to keep a few old men and family high on the hog so to speak , or I can put it this way protecting the biggest mass murderers the world has ever known

remember that when you vote for him and look your kids or grandkids in the eye

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Why am I not surprised about the stance of Trump and Clinton .

It mirrors the exact same thing here that the Liberal Party has done .

Pity the rich are so dumb there have forgotten what happens .

It's always the rich well educated , that will find a noose around there neck in approx. 20 years from now .

Why 20 years from now . Well that will be when everyone starts to realize it's over done and finished . Humans I mean , as it's about that time we will realize it's to late there is nothing to stop the end

If we do not stop the rise of Co2 in the next 2 decades your children will not live to there 70's

So to the Bible belt I say this read your Bible and remember what it says about the End of Days .

It will come like a thief in the night
The wars will start over it
Man will have no more resources to be able to stop it .
There will be Earth changes
And we all BURN .

And to those who vote Trump I hope you can go to bed with a clean conscious knowing you kids will not live to see there 70 birthday and will have to endure a hardship nobody since before the industrial revolution has ha to endure

It very simple vote Trump then you vote for the past and your own death .

Vote for Clinton and there is a chance we all live . Clinton is for new tech like solar panel now at 44% efficiency that's 120% better than current solar panels
New types of batteries that can be recharged 10,000 time or basically 1 full human lifetime +
Batteries now 2 times more capacity than current tech .And that's just few of the new break throughs .

Vote Trump you vote for 100 year old tech that is killing us all or to put it another way he's for suppression of new tech to keep a few old men and family high on the hog so to speak , or I can put it this way protecting the biggest mass murderers the world has ever known

remember that when you vote for him and look your kids or grandkids in the eye

Glenn,

You are partly right, and partly not right.

it's over done and finished

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And we all BURN

...

This part is right.

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Vote for Clinton and there is a chance we all live

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This part is not right.

We are way PAST the tipping point where ceasing to use fossil fuels could save us. WAY PAST.

There are way too many other anthropogenic sources of GHGs.

All the solar panels and wind turbines can't save us.

Just the GHGs released in growing the food to feed 7+ billion of us is enough to continue the process indefinitely.

There is only one viable way forward, with absolutely zero political will to carry it out.

Stop energy use... Stop industry... Stop agriculture... Stop ALL technology... Return to the balance of nature with a global human population of perhaps 3 million hunter-gatherers and NEVER EVER DO IT AGAIN.

Then after a couple of hundred thousand years, things might, maybe, have returned to normal with the climate.

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#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

Kong please don't vote Trump let me live out my last 20 years and then I don't give a rats what any of you do hehehehehehe

Ops you vote Libertarian so you wont be silly but your nabour will thou so tell him for me please .

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Kong please don't vote Trump let me live out my last 20 years and then I don't give a rats what any of you do hehehehehehe

Ops you vote Libertarian so you wont be silly but your nabour will thou so tell him for me please .

Vote for Trump?!?!? I would sooner vote for a fully loaded skunk with its 'business end' aimed at my face! The results of the skunk would likely be preferable to the results of Trump! <wink>

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#Texit

Don't blame me, I voted for Johnson(L) in 2016.

Truth is dangerous... especially when it challenges those in power.

Yet another view... Where is the fresh water moving to?...


Surface water shifting around the Earth

Scientists have used satellite images to study how the water on the Earth's surface has changed over 30 years.

They found that 115,000 sq km (44,000 sq miles) of land is now [newly] covered in water and 173,000 sq km (67,000 sq miles) of water has now become land.

The largest increase in water has been on the Tibetan Plateau, while the Aral Sea has been the biggest conversion of water to land. The team said many coastal areas have also changed significantly...


Note that the changes to the Tibetan Plateau has big consequences to an awful lot of people...

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Note that the changes to the Tibetan Plateau has big consequences to an awful lot of people...

I'll bet that there will be some dire predictions , anguished ringing of the hands and some cockamamey scheme proposed to get people to quit flushing their toilets or the like in a vain attempt to combat the cycles of the Earth and universe.

You're right, my kids and grandkids won't live to their 70s.
I don't have any.

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I'll bet that there will be some dire predictions , anguished ringing of the hands and some cockamamey scheme

what's all this "cockamamey scheme " rubbish

Update on the North Pole Sea ice extent

With approx. 2 + weeks to go before the minimum melt there seems to have been a increase in the melting and may still equal the Record of 2012 there has also been a increase in melting of the South pole when it should be increasing .

"cockamamey scheme " may be the only thing that may work now :)

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what's all this "cockamamey scheme " rubbish

Glenn,

We were talking about the Tibetan plateau.

As an example of a cockamamey scheme consider the suggestion that we sequester and bury our carbon emissions.

What scheme do you propose to restore the ice cap to some standard ??