er um yes, but ..... The day that a flying saucer lands on the White House lawn, out jumps little green men who say "Hi, we created you lot X million years ago, just popped back to see how you were getting on". Every religion and Darwin collapse in dust.

p.s. Where are the pet dinosaurs we left behind?

Darwin doesn't hold in his teory of Evolution - at least concerning humans...

So it might be, hover strange, plausable! ;)

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The day that a flying saucer lands on the White House lawn, out jumps little green men who say "Hi, we created you lot X million years ago, just popped back to see how you were getting on". Every religion and Darwin collapse in dust.

So you are implying that every day it doesn't happen, which is the only empirical evidence we have, adds to their credibility.

As for ET coming here I looked at the distances involved and most of these planets are millions of years travel. Simply too far even at light speed which I would doubt can be attained by ET. Just too long for biology to survive the radiation in space. Low earth orbit is protected by our magnetic field beyond earth radiation and cosmic rays are more intense. As for humans survival in space seems in doubt for long duration. Our spacecraft will need a magnetic around the ship to do it.

Zowel de lengte van het signaal (72 seconden) als de gedurende de eerste helft van het signaal stijgende en daarna dalende intensiteit, komt overeen met het te verwachten patroon voor een signaal van buitenaardse oorsprong.

I got the above from the Dutch Wikipedia on the WOW signal.

http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wow!-signaal

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Er um, not quite sure how you come to that conclusion. We could say that every day that the San Andreas fault doesn't go bang, then it is more likely that it will sooner do than later. We are talking odds and the theory of probabilities yes?

But the San Andreas fault has gone bang before, which is how we get some statistics. The Little Green Men have not happened before, but you are trying to build some sort of argument out of the possibility that they will. It is just a wishful-thinking argument until you get some data (other than they haven't appeared yet).

I just saw where some astronomers are estimating the current size of our universe at 45 billion LY. At that size and distance there could be billions of other civilizations and we will never know they are out there.

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I just saw where some astronomers are estimating the current size of our universe at 45 billion LY. At that size and distance there could be billions of other civilizations and we will never know they are out there.

Some of us do know, Bob.

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In my estimation: The best chance of us ever knowing is if:

There is a civilization a little more advanced than ours within, say, 100 light years.

They detect the possibility of life on Earth.

They beam us a "We are here type of Message".

We capture the message and decode it.

I don't think that there is that chance that this will happen--but you never know, and that is what SETI is all about.

In my estimation: The best chance of us ever knowing is if:

There is a civilization a little more advanced than ours within, say, 100 light years.

They detect the possibility of life on Earth.

They beam us a "We are here type of Message".

We capture the message and decode it.

I don't think that there is that chance that this will happen--but you never know, and that is what SETI is all about.

That is a rather empirical standpoint William but it does make sense.

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at the current stage of evolution of mankind, any ET that has conquered space travel, would know the effect and sheer panic that would ensue in the world if the existence of ET was confirmed. Almost every religion would collapse overnight.

How would they know it would cause a stir here?

I don't really think it would collapse religions; I think most would adapt.

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at the current stage of evolution of mankind, any ET that has conquered space travel, would know the effect and sheer panic that would ensue in the world if the existence of ET was confirmed. Almost every religion would collapse overnight.

How would they know it would cause a stir here?

I don't really think it would collapse religions; I think most would adapt.

The overall population couldn't grasp information like that. Of course if it becomes a given truth of which the information would be delivered and confirmed by world leaders, they most certainly would adapt is my guess.

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at the current stage of evolution of mankind, any ET that has conquered space travel, would know the effect and sheer panic that would ensue in the world if the existence of ET was confirmed. Almost every religion would collapse overnight.

How would they know it would cause a stir here?

I don't really think it would collapse religions; I think most would adapt.

The overall population couldn't grasp information like that. Of course if it becomes a given truth of which the information would be delivered and confirmed by world leaders, they most certainly would adapt is my guess.

I just don't think ET would necessarily understand how we would interpret it's arrival. Just because it's more advanced in some ways, doesn't mean it would understand/appreciate/respect the way we look at things.

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at the current stage of evolution of mankind, any ET that has conquered space travel, would know the effect and sheer panic that would ensue in the world if the existence of ET was confirmed. Almost every religion would collapse overnight.

How would they know it would cause a stir here?

I don't really think it would collapse religions; I think most would adapt.

The overall population couldn't grasp information like that. Of course if it becomes a given truth of which the information would be delivered and confirmed by world leaders, they most certainly would adapt is my guess.

I just don't think ET would necessarily understand how we would interpret it's arrival. Just because it's more advanced in some ways, doesn't mean it would understand/appreciate/respect the way we look at things.

If they have the intelligence to reach us physically, the above virtues are peculiar to them.

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They would certainly be smarter than we are, but everyone seems to be assuming that they would tell the truth of their origins, etc. If so, that would make them rather unique. Scientists usually test their data and draw only warranted conclusions, but that process seems to go out the window in this case.

They would certainly be smarter than we are, but everyone seems to be assuming that they would tell the truth of their origins, etc. If so, that would make them rather unique. Scientists usually test their data and draw only warranted conclusions, but that process seems to go out the window in this case.

Why is that?

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Why is that?

To give an example, in the Pacific Islands there is the cargo cult of the natives islanders due to contact with more advanced societies that landed there, especially during WW-II. They adopt rituals that they think will gain them comparable wealth. And those commercial traders are only slightly more advanced than the islanders, as compared to civilizations that can accomplish inter-stellar travel would be as compared to us. Do the ships that land on the islands go out of their way to educate the natives that they are not gods? Apparently not that often.

Why is that?

To give an example, in the Pacific Islands there is the cargo cult of the natives islanders due to contact with more advanced societies that landed there, especially during WW-II. They adopt rituals that they think will gain them comparable wealth. And those commercial traders are only slightly more advanced than the islanders, as compared to civilizations that can accomplish inter-stellar travel would be as compared to us. Do the ships that land on the islands go out of their way to educate the natives that they are not gods? Apparently not that often.

We have a saying in Dutch, Jim, 'vergelijk geen appelen met peren'. We must not compare other Universal species with human beings as we are not informed on the procedures they use in contacting other beings, let alone knowing how they exist or how their soul works.

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Why is that?

To give an example, in the Pacific Islands there is the cargo cult of the natives islanders due to contact with more advanced societies that landed there, especially during WW-II. They adopt rituals that they think will gain them comparable wealth. And those commercial traders are only slightly more advanced than the islanders, as compared to civilizations that can accomplish inter-stellar travel would be as compared to us. Do the ships that land on the islands go out of their way to educate the natives that they are not gods? Apparently not that often.

We have a saying in Dutch, Jim, 'vergelijk geen appelen met peren'. We must not compare other Universal species with human beings as we are not informed on the procedures they use in contacting other beings, let alone knowing how they exist or how their soul works.

That more or less proves my point. We should not make unwarranted assumptions about the origin of our species (or theirs) just because they land here. LGM's are not necessarily trustworthy, or even understandable, just because they are little and green.

PS - I would just like to add that I am quite certain that extraterrestrial intelligent life exits, since there are too many stars and galaxies for it to be otherwise. But I don't see what difference it makes whether they land here insofar as affecting our views of our origins. If you want to be affected, go ahead and do it now. They probably won't get here during the lifetime of our civilization or even of our planet.

Why is that?

To give an example, in the Pacific Islands there is the cargo cult of the natives islanders due to contact with more advanced societies that landed there, especially during WW-II. They adopt rituals that they think will gain them comparable wealth. And those commercial traders are only slightly more advanced than the islanders, as compared to civilizations that can accomplish inter-stellar travel would be as compared to us. Do the ships that land on the islands go out of their way to educate the natives that they are not gods? Apparently not that often.

We have a saying in Dutch, Jim, 'vergelijk geen appelen met peren'. We must not compare other Universal species with human beings as we are not informed on the procedures they use in contacting other beings, let alone knowing how they exist or how their soul works.

That more or less proves my point. We should not make unwarranted assumptions about the origin of our species (or theirs) just because they land here. LGM's are not necessarily trustworthy, or even understandable, just because they are little and green.

PS - I would just like to add that I am quite certain that extraterrestrial intelligent life exits, since there are too many stars and galaxies for it to be otherwise. But I don't see what difference it makes whether they land here insofar as affecting our views of our origins. If you want to be affected, go ahead and do it now. They probably won't get here during the lifetime of our civilization or even of our planet.

We are not ready for a real encounter, that's a God given fact in my opinion.

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We are not ready for a real encounter, that's a God given fact in my opinion.

That is why He has separated us so far from them. (The same reason He separated the U.S. from the rest of the world by two large oceans, though that is a somewhat different matter.)