OK, AP-credits syndrome si cured.
Thanks so much for the Solomonical fix.
Now cruch for MB only, it pays much more - fullstop

This still day one, none of the app versions have reached their 100 validations as far as i can tell, and I seriously doubt any host has their 11 validations for any of their app versions, have patience.

Claggy

Agreed.
I have seen simalar at beta, after some time it balanced to normal level.

At Beta my 6870 averaged 26min and 612 credit over 192 tasks with AP v7. With AP v6 it was averaging closer to 35min. I'm not at home so I don't have the average credit in front of me, but I think the average was around 640. The gives AP v7 an average of 0.392307 credit a second & AP v6 an average of 0.304761 credit per second.

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Simple question (I'll get to the complex ones later):

I have excluded AP6 from running on my GPU-only cruncher because it uses more of the CPU than I like. Does AP7-GPU use as much of the CPU as 6?

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Simple question (I'll get to the complex ones later):

I have excluded AP6 from running on my GPU-only cruncher because it uses more of the CPU than I like. Does AP7-GPU use as much of the CPU as 6?

OpenCL AP v7 uses less CPU than AP v6. And the bigger blanking % of task the bigger this difference.

Here is illustration of AP v7 behavior:
http://lunatics.kwsn.net/1-discussion-forum/astropulse-v7-performance-illustration.0.html
For APv6 pictures look that forum for older threads.

Simple question (I'll get to the complex ones later):

I have excluded AP6 from running on my GPU-only cruncher because it uses more of the CPU than I like. Does AP7-GPU use as much of the CPU as 6?

OpenCL AP v7 uses less CPU than AP v6. And the bigger blanking % of task the bigger this difference.

Here is illustration of AP v7 behavior:
http://lunatics.kwsn.net/1-discussion-forum/astropulse-v7-performance-illustration.0.html
For APv6 pictures look that forum for older threads.

Okay, maybe I'll turn it loose once there's a Lunatics installer for it.

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I went to both “Mike’s World” and “Crunchers Anonymous” and did not see any AP7 for Linux 32 bit CPU. Am I just not looking in the right place for those optimized apps? Is there a download site for the source code package that I could use to compile my own binary?

I went to both “Mike’s World” and “Crunchers Anonymous” and did not see any AP7 for Linux 32 bit CPU. Am I just not looking in the right place for those optimized apps? Is there a download site for the source code package that I could use to compile my own binary?

If there is something caching between the servers and you try adding a ? to the end of the address. http://mikesworldnet.de/download.html vs. http://mikesworldnet.de/download.html?. I think that only arkayn's site has the linux apps. EDIT: Actually it is the MAC apps.

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I asked before but I hope it doesn't hurt to ask again: while we wait for the custom builds, does anyone know of the links to the stock Linux applications for AP v7, please?

Not a big deal if no-one knows, I suppose.

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I asked before but I hope it doesn't hurt to ask again: while we wait for the custom builds, does anyone know of the links to the stock Linux applications for AP v7, please?

Not a big deal if no-one knows, I suppose.

Five minutes and I can find them, my C2D T8100 has had four of the five CPU apps so far.

http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/astropulse_7.00_i686-pc-linux-gnu

http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/astropulse_7.04_i686-pc-linux-gnu__sse

http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/astropulse_7.04_i686-pc-linux-gnu__sse2

http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/astropulse_7.00_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu

http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/astropulse_7.04_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu__sse2

Claggy

I asked before but I hope it doesn't hurt to ask again: while we wait for the custom builds, does anyone know of the links to the stock Linux applications for AP v7, please?

Not a big deal if no-one knows, I suppose.

Five minutes and I can find them, my C2D T8100 has had four of the five CPU apps so far.

http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/astropulse_7.00_i686-pc-linux-gnu

http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/astropulse_7.04_i686-pc-linux-gnu__sse

http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/astropulse_7.04_i686-pc-linux-gnu__sse2

http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/astropulse_7.00_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu

http://boinc2.ssl.berkeley.edu/sah/download_fanout/astropulse_7.04_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu__sse2

Claggy

Based on the URLs those appear to be the standard apps. Is there a link to the optimized versions for Linux?

I asked before but I hope it doesn't hurt to ask again: while we wait for the custom builds, does anyone know of the links to the stock Linux applications for AP v7, please?

Not a big deal if no-one knows, I suppose.

In addition to Claggy's list, here's Nvidia and Ati apps. Sizes and md5sums not verified from BOINC's downloads.

astropulse_7.04_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu__opencl_nvidia_100 , 2487712 bytes , 2858ccde7fe804b73b1478fd05d479c2
astropulse_7.04_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu__opencl_ati_100 , 2483616 bytes , f9ed2869d96d6b6dc89624c434e3534b

I'm assuming all the different cuda/nvidia//cc1/opencl versions share the same binary.

Based on the URLs those appear to be the standard apps. Is there a link to the optimized versions for Linux?

The SSE and SSE2 apps are the Optimised apps. (That's how the Boinc app naming system works)

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=3777172054

<core_client_version>7.2.47</core_client_version>
<![CDATA[
<stderr_txt>
Not using ap_cmdline.txt-file, using commandline options.
AstroPulse v7.04
Linux 64 bit, Rev 2696
V7 match, by Raistmer with support of Lunatics.kwsn.net team.

ffa threshold, twindechirp, lrint mods by Joe Segur

Build features: Non-graphics SMALL_CHIRP_TABLE FFTW BLANKIT USE_INCREASED_PRECISION SSE2 64bit
System: Linux x86_64 Kernel: 3.13.0-37-generic
CPU : Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU T8100 @ 2.10GHz
2 core(s), Speed : 2101.000 MHz
L1 : 64 KB, Cache : 3072 KB

state.fold_buf_size_short=65536; state.fold_buf_size_long=262144

The scheduler should send out each compatible app, along with a Wu, once 11 validations are done for each app version, the scheduler should only send out Wu's for the fastest app version (most of the time),
If the Stock 7.00 app reaches it's 11 validations first, you may want to abort any work received for that app version to encourage the Optimised 7.04 app versions (each abort lowers the max task per day, when it's low enough the scheduler will send work from another app version)

Claggy

Based on the URLs those appear to be the standard apps. Is there a link to the optimized versions for Linux?

The SSE and SSE2 apps are the Optimised apps. (That's how the Boinc app naming system works)

The scheduler should send out each compatible app, along with a Wu, once 11 validations are done for each app version, the scheduler should only send out Wu's for the fastest app version (most of the time),
If the Stock 7.00 app reaches it's 11 validations first, you may want to abort any work received for that app version to encourage the Optimised 7.04 app versions (each abort lowers the max task per day)

Claggy

Thank you for the explanation. I thought Berkeley developed apps and then other developers associated Lunatics improved on them and released them as optimized apps on their site, not Berkeley’s. At least that is what I remember when I obtained AK_V8_linux32_ssse3 which I used for many years? I do not recall ever seeing that on Berkeley’s pages but perhaps my memory is failing me. Thanks again and I will give those apps a try.

I thought Berkeley developed apps and then other developers associated Lunatics improved on them and released them as optimized apps on their site, not Berkeley’s.

Now we cooperate with Berkeley's team much more closely. Something still improves over time.

In addition to Claggy's list, here's Nvidia and Ati apps. Sizes and md5sums not verified from BOINC's downloads.

astropulse_7.04_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu__opencl_nvidia_100 , 2487712 bytes , 2858ccde7fe804b73b1478fd05d479c2
astropulse_7.04_x86_64-pc-linux-gnu__opencl_ati_100 , 2483616 bytes , f9ed2869d96d6b6dc89624c434e3534b

Thank you Juha and Claggy. Those were what I was looking for.

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I'm now have 24 AP v7 GPU validated tasks listed. But the 21:42:15 estimated run time still exists for the remaining 103 AP tasks, 4 of which are running all running high priority. This is well beyond the supposed level of 11 tasks required for balancing the estimated run time. With the remaining 99 tasks all having the expected deadline/report date of 11/04, they also will be running in a HP state. Questions - When does the scheduler update the estimated run times for a specific app on a specific host? Is anyone else experiencing this situation?

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I'm now have 24 AP v7 GPU validated tasks listed. But the 21:42:15 estimated run time still exists for the remaining 103 AP tasks, 4 of which are running all running high priority. This is well beyond the supposed level of 11 tasks required for balancing the estimated run time. With the remaining 99 tasks all having the expected deadline/report date of 11/04, they also will be running in a HP state. Questions - When does the scheduler update the estimated run times for a specific app on a specific host? Is anyone else experiencing this situation?

The estimated time will be for new tasks you download. Tasks currently in your queue retain their estimated run time.

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I'm now have 24 AP v7 GPU validated tasks listed. But the 21:42:15 estimated run time still exists for the remaining 103 AP tasks, 4 of which are running all running high priority. This is well beyond the supposed level of 11 tasks required for balancing the estimated run time.

No, you only have 13 non-Outlier tasks completed, not 24, the 'Consecutive valid tasks' value includes all the outlier tasks, tasks that end early don't count.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/host_app_versions.php?hostid=5501972

Since you're only just past your 11 validated tasks, try another request for GPU work, it should get updated when you receive some.
(It should have already done so, since you're received two Wu's since you posted that)

Claggy

I'm now have 24 AP v7 GPU validated tasks listed. But the 21:42:15 estimated run time still exists for the remaining 103 AP tasks, 4 of which are running all running high priority. This is well beyond the supposed level of 11 tasks required for balancing the estimated run time.

No, you only have 13 non-Outlier tasks completed, not 24, the 'Consecutive valid tasks' value includes all the outlier tasks, tasks that end early don't count.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/host_app_versions.php?hostid=5501972

Since you're only just past your 11 validated tasks, try another request for GPU work, it should get updated when you receive some.
(It should have already done so, since you're received two Wu's since you posted that)

Claggy

You lost me with the 13 non-Outlier completed. When looking at my tasks list for this host, I see now 25 validated tasks http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=5501972&offset=0&show_names=0&state=4&appid=20. How do I distinguish between non & Outlier tasks? What determines an early task? The only ones that I see that have a short run time are 100% blanked. The scheduler still hasn't updated my manager, as I have not only requested an update manually, but also have stopped and started BOINC with the same results.

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I'm now have 24 AP v7 GPU validated tasks listed. But the 21:42:15 estimated run time still exists for the remaining 103 AP tasks, 4 of which are running all running high priority. This is well beyond the supposed level of 11 tasks required for balancing the estimated run time.

No, you only have 13 non-Outlier tasks completed, not 24, the 'Consecutive valid tasks' value includes all the outlier tasks, tasks that end early don't count.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/host_app_versions.php?hostid=5501972

Since you're only just past your 11 validated tasks, try another request for GPU work, it should get updated when you receive some.
(It should have already done so, since you're received two Wu's since you posted that)

Claggy

You lost me with the 13 non-Outlier completed. When looking at my tasks list for this host, I see now 25 validated tasks http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=5501972&offset=0&show_names=0&state=4&appid=20. How do I distinguish between non & Outlier tasks? What determines an early task? The only ones that I see that have a short run time are 100% blanked. The scheduler still hasn't updated my manager, as I have not only requested an update manually, but also have stopped and started BOINC with the same results.

If you looks at the Application Details for your host you will see the number of tasks completed.

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You lost me with the 13 non-Outlier completed. When looking at my tasks list for this host, I see now 25 validated tasks http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/results.php?hostid=5501972&offset=0&show_names=0&state=4&appid=20. How do I distinguish between non & Outlier tasks? What determines an early task? The only ones that I see that have a short run time are 100% blanked. The scheduler still hasn't updated my manager, as I have not only requested an update manually, but also have stopped and started BOINC with the same results.

An outlier is any task that has more Blanking than 5 or 10% (I forget what the limit was), a task with 100% Blanking (it only takes a few seconds, having it included would really inflate the APR), and tasks that exit early like this one:

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=3777684842

state.fold_buf_size_short=65536; state.fold_buf_size_long=262144
Found 30 single pulses and 30 repeating pulses, exiting.
percent blanked: 0.00

Or this one:

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/result.php?resultid=3777507470

single pulses: 29
repetitive pulses: 30
percent blanked: 2.39

This 2nd Wu reached a it's limit of 30 repetive pulses, then would have sped up, and would have been excluded because of that, the whole point of excluding these Wu's is to get a stable APR.

Claggy