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Message 1584038 - Posted: 9 Oct 2014, 17:44:17 UTC - in response to Message 1584028.  

The British Prime minister doesn't act in isolation, he has his advisors, the Cabinet, and the Joint Chiefs of Staff to consult. Even then military action has to be authorised by Parliament. Even if carried out on Humanitarian grounds he still has to report to parliament ASAP saying how, what, where, and why.

I imagine it must be similar in some ways to the Obama administration. It seems to me in these threads that Obama is disliked as much for himself as for his polices that people disagree with.

The Real problem here, may be that Obama IS Acting in Isolation.

Isn't that the actions of a dictator?
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Message 1584089 - Posted: 9 Oct 2014, 18:44:35 UTC - in response to Message 1583987.  

Thanx for the links Gary, I remembered something about the corruption scandals in Chicago politics. Are you trying to say Obama is corrupt? As I said before I really don't follow abroad politics that much but I would be surprised if that were the case.

Not saying he is corrupt, but he won his first election in that environment, so he had to have some backbone then. Now it seems as if whatever he had, has turned to goo. I would be very surprised if there were no corrupt persons in his first campaign.
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Message 1584090 - Posted: 9 Oct 2014, 18:47:52 UTC - in response to Message 1584089.  
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Thanx for the links Gary, I remembered something about the corruption scandals in Chicago politics. Are you trying to say Obama is corrupt? As I said before I really don't follow abroad politics that much but I would be surprised if that were the case.

Not saying he is corrupt, but he won his first election in that environment, so he had to have some backbone then. Now it seems as if whatever he had, has turned to goo. I would be very surprised if there were no corrupt persons in his first campaign.



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Message 1584174 - Posted: 9 Oct 2014, 20:50:37 UTC - in response to Message 1584038.  

The British Prime minister doesn't act in isolation, he has his advisors, the Cabinet, and the Joint Chiefs of Staff to consult. Even then military action has to be authorised by Parliament. Even if carried out on Humanitarian grounds he still has to report to parliament ASAP saying how, what, where, and why.

I imagine it must be similar in some ways to the Obama administration. It seems to me in these threads that Obama is disliked as much for himself as for his polices that people disagree with.

The Real problem here, may be that Obama IS Acting in Isolation.

Isn't that the actions of a dictator?


Yep. It is, and that is somewhat the point.
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Message 1584181 - Posted: 9 Oct 2014, 20:57:43 UTC - in response to Message 1584174.  

The British Prime minister doesn't act in isolation, he has his advisors, the Cabinet, and the Joint Chiefs of Staff to consult. Even then military action has to be authorised by Parliament. Even if carried out on Humanitarian grounds he still has to report to parliament ASAP saying how, what, where, and why.

I imagine it must be similar in some ways to the Obama administration. It seems to me in these threads that Obama is disliked as much for himself as for his polices that people disagree with.

The Real problem here, may be that Obama IS Acting in Isolation.

Isn't that the actions of a dictator?


Yep. It is, and that is somewhat the point.

So have him impeached.
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Message 1584205 - Posted: 9 Oct 2014, 21:25:19 UTC - in response to Message 1584181.  

That is easier said than done.

Besides, impeachment in and of itself doesn't do squat.

There would have to be a trial in the Senate, and since the Democrat party has a majority in that body, the outcome of that trial would be a forgone conclusion. The same thing happened when Clinton got impeached.

But, even if the Senate DID convict him and remove him from office, the would make VP Biden president, and Biden is an even bigger putz than Obama.

No, we are stuck with Obama for a bit over two more years.
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Message 1584209 - Posted: 9 Oct 2014, 21:28:13 UTC - in response to Message 1584205.  

In other words, screwed if you do/screwed if you don't. Are the shrubs that intend to replace them any good or just more of the same?

Regardless of what nation, the West really does need a strong leader soon...
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Message 1584219 - Posted: 9 Oct 2014, 21:39:48 UTC - in response to Message 1584209.  

Are the shrubs that intend to replace them any good or just more of the same?

A shrub is a small bush, I find that to be scary.
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Message 1584225 - Posted: 9 Oct 2014, 21:42:35 UTC - in response to Message 1584219.  

Are the shrubs that intend to replace them any good or just more of the same?

A shrub is a small bush, I find that to be scary.

LOL, I got to stop using "Jack O'Neill's" sayings...
...think I'll disappear & watch the Simpson's :-)
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Message 1584276 - Posted: 9 Oct 2014, 23:52:34 UTC - in response to Message 1584209.  

In other words, screwed if you do/screwed if you don't. Are the shrubs that intend to replace them any good or just more of the same?

Regardless of what nation, the West really does need a strong leader soon...


Well, knowing USA politics, I would have to say that it is more of the same, at least among the group that are likely to get elected.

Enjoy the show you went off to watch. It is probably more intelligent that most all of what happens in Washington D.C., etc.
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Message 1584293 - Posted: 10 Oct 2014, 0:29:05 UTC

I sit here and have to think ummmm 4 years ago a man called Tony Abbot took over as the head of the Liberal/National Party and i see the same things now going on it the states as what happened here .

First the accusations of curruption , which is now backfiring on the LNP after they call for a ROYAL Commision
lie's told about policy's , which has also now been shown to be B/S
And we are now at war and this twit was the first leader to put his hand up as he is not very popular and needs a war to say he has big cahona's.....
Lie's about the budget and since he came in it's blown out faster than the old mob

So be very careful what you wish for you just may end up with another man with big cahona's just like J.W.B and we all know what happened with that one .
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Message 1584301 - Posted: 10 Oct 2014, 0:47:59 UTC - in response to Message 1584293.  

And we are now at war and this twit was the first leader to put his hand up as he is not very popular and needs a war to say he has big cahona's.....
Lie's about the budget and since he came in it's blown out faster than the old mob

So be very careful what you wish for you just may end up with another man with big cahona's just like J.W.B and we all know what happened with that one .


LOL... I think you mean cojones, Glenn.

Etymology

Borrowing from Spanish cojones, plural of cojón (“testicle”), from Vulgar Latin *coleonem, accusative of coleo (“testicle”), from cōleus (“sack, scrotum”).

http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cojones
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Message 1584304 - Posted: 10 Oct 2014, 0:53:28 UTC - in response to Message 1584301.  

Thank's Kong yes i did , you all now i can spell if my life depended on it good to see your all getting used to my spelling and grammer .:)
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Message 1584306 - Posted: 10 Oct 2014, 0:58:18 UTC - in response to Message 1584304.  

Thank's Kong yes i did , you all now i can spell if my life depended on it good to see your all getting used to my spelling and grammer .:)

I cheat, I use a dictionary to reduce the appearance of being ignorant.
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Message 1584311 - Posted: 10 Oct 2014, 1:05:08 UTC - in response to Message 1584306.  

I cheat, I use a dictionary to reduce the appearance of being ignorant.

so do i but i still get it wrong . But i'm not a smart arse either .
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Message 1584314 - Posted: 10 Oct 2014, 1:10:41 UTC - in response to Message 1584311.  

I cheat, I use a dictionary to reduce the appearance of being ignorant.

so do i but i still get it wrong . But i'm not a smart arse either .

Don't you have a spellchecker working there Glenn?

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Message 1584325 - Posted: 10 Oct 2014, 1:59:29 UTC - in response to Message 1584314.  

Yes wiggo i do but as i have stated i can check it 3-4 times and what i see just doesn't register . It's not just dyslexia but bad eye sight and a crock hand that doesn't all ways hit the right keys plus i also get so frustrated trying to correct it some times i just say to hell with it if they can understand bugger them .
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Message 1584341 - Posted: 10 Oct 2014, 2:25:09 UTC - in response to Message 1584325.  

Yes wiggo i do but as i have stated i can check it 3-4 times and what i see just doesn't register . It's not just dyslexia but bad eye sight and a crock hand that doesn't all ways hit the right keys plus i also get so frustrated trying to correct it some times i just say to hell with it if they can understand bugger them .

As my 92 year old father says "getting old is a bitch but it beats the alternative"
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Message 1584353 - Posted: 10 Oct 2014, 2:56:35 UTC

It's nice to know that I only have to put up with a stuffed back. :-D

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Message 1584510 - Posted: 10 Oct 2014, 7:34:06 UTC - in response to Message 1583841.  

He's way better than Reagan, Nixon, Clinton or Bush tho.

I think Obama cant even start to fill any of those forner Prseidents shoes. He is an empty suite way ove his head.
Lets take Nixon. yes he did some dastardly deeds. But he open up a dialog with China. Has Obama done that?
Lets take Reagan, He did things I dont like either. His stars wars BS was enough to lead to the collaspe of the Soviet Union. And then he had a dialog with Russia. Has Obama done anything like that?
Lets take Clinton next.His moral terpitude sucked but he did manage to get a surlpus in our economy. Has Obanma done that?
Lets next take Bush. He inherited Clintons failed forieng policy which led to 911. Yes We needed to get Binladen. No we didnt need to go to Iraq. The economy crapped out by the politicians from both sides of the house easing banking restrictions on what they could do. Wonder boy Obama won the elction saying he would be transparent and fix the mess in DC. YEAH right. He hasnt done didlly squat in 6 years. The economy still sucks, We have both domestic and forgien problems he cant seen to solve or dosent care about untill public opinon sways him to make a speech.
He is so way over his head its pathetic. And he surrounds himself with idiots who dont have a clue either.
Obama is going to make Hoover look like a genius.
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