So can you provide me proof, that he actually said 'white' people are the Ãœbermensch?

The “race” which Steiner described in positive terms was – not surprisingly – the white one. When listing the different “races”, he described how they were inflicted by “hardening” of different organs. The list ended with those people who “did not become hardened at all”. They were found in “those areas that comprise of today’s Europe and Asia.” 18

18.Welt, Erde und Mensch, p. 6:17

Elsewhere, he stated that “the most mature characteristica are found in the European area. It is simply (a natural) law.” 19

19.Die Mission einzelner Volksseelen, p. 4:9.

There you go

Nothing in that text says or infers that Steiner did not see the white race as superior, or Ãœbermensch, on the contrary:

"The “race” which Steiner described in positive terms was – not surprisingly – the white one"

“the most mature characteristica are found in the European area. It is simply (a natural) law.” (White race)

If you can interpret that text as him not seeing the white race as superior, then I don't know how you interpret things.

Ok, now I see I misinterpreted your post. Probably the antibiotics, anyway, I completely disagree with you, by all means. I'll start a positive thread on Steiner one of these days, without all the BS of incognizent critics!

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Really, why are you arguing here. He was a White German male living in the later 19th, early 20th century. Good luck finding one that WASNT racist during that period.

The problem isnt that Steiner was a racist back then because really his racism isn't particularly different than what his contemporary fellow European white males thought about race. The real problem is when such ridiculous ideas and philosophies are still taught at his schools TODAY. Thats the really upsetting issue here, nothing else.

Not my opinion.

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If those concerned with Steiner Waldorf education read nothing else, they should read Peter Staudenmaier’s article “Anthroposophy and Ecofascism”.
It is a compelling account of Anthroposophy’s history; essential reading, too important to ignore.

In Sweden, Anthroposophical Society has its center in Järna and Ytterjärna south of Södertälje not far from Stockholm.
Actually my girlfriend has been there. She doesnt remember much from the visit but one thing.
That mind and body are linked to each other.
I dont think you have to be a doctor to figure that out.
Sten Arne
Please dont be so elaborate.
Too much to read in this forum as it is.

Heh, I can take a pause. There's enough racist material from Steiner to last me a lifetime. Steiner was a really really bad man.
I'll be back as Arnold said. :-)

Maybe Steiner was not bad man after all perhaps ignorant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YEG9DgRHhA

If those concerned with Steiner Waldorf education read nothing else, they should read Peter Staudenmaier’s article “Anthroposophy and Ecofascism”.
It is a compelling account of Anthroposophy’s history; essential reading, too important to ignore.

In Sweden, Anthroposophical Society has its center in Järna and Ytterjärna south of Södertälje not far from Stockholm.
Actually my girlfriend has been there. She doesnt remember much from the visit but one thing.
That mind and body are linked to each other.
I dont think you have to be a doctor to figure that out.
Sten Arne
Please dont be so elaborate.
Too much to read in this forum as it is.

Heh, I can take a pause. There's enough racist material from Steiner to last me a lifetime. Steiner was a really really bad man.
I'll be back as Arnold said. :-)

Maybe Steiner was not bad man after all perhaps ignorant.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YEG9DgRHhA

But but, the supporters call him a wise man. Can a wise man really be that ignorant without losing his title as a "Wise Man"? :-)

A wise man cannot be ignorant per definition.

So can you provide me proof, that he actually said 'white' people are the Ãœbermensch?

The “race” which Steiner described in positive terms was – not surprisingly – the white one. When listing the different “races”, he described how they were inflicted by “hardening” of different organs. The list ended with those people who “did not become hardened at all”. They were found in “those areas that comprise of today’s Europe and Asia.” 18

18.Welt, Erde und Mensch, p. 6:17

Elsewhere, he stated that “the most mature characteristica are found in the European area. It is simply (a natural) law.” 19

19.Die Mission einzelner Volksseelen, p. 4:9.

There you go

Nothing in that text says or infers that Steiner did not see the white race as superior, or Ãœbermensch, on the contrary:

"The “race” which Steiner described in positive terms was – not surprisingly – the white one"

“the most mature characteristica are found in the European area. It is simply (a natural) law.” (White race)

If you can interpret that text as him not seeing the white race as superior, then I don't know how you interpret things.

Ok, now I see I misinterpreted your post. Probably the antibiotics, anyway, I completely disagree with you, by all means. I'll start a positive thread on Steiner one of these days, without all the BS of incognizent critics!

So you're going to do the cult thing, and stop critical posts in your thead. Well, I'm sure that will work fine, especially when people can compare to this thread where I haven't tried once to stop anyone form posting positive things about Steiner. The only posts I have asked to be hidden, where a couple of totally off topic ones.

But by all means, don't learn from the "Scientology" experience, where they tried to stop critics from telling their side, and ended up in really deep trouble. (meaning losing lots of their supporters)

And the lesson for tonight (for me): Don't let anyone tell you different, thank you mum, and friends:)

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So can you provide me proof, that he actually said 'white' people are the Ãœbermensch?

The “race” which Steiner described in positive terms was – not surprisingly – the white one. When listing the different “races”, he described how they were inflicted by “hardening” of different organs. The list ended with those people who “did not become hardened at all”. They were found in “those areas that comprise of today’s Europe and Asia.” 18

18.Welt, Erde und Mensch, p. 6:17

Elsewhere, he stated that “the most mature characteristica are found in the European area. It is simply (a natural) law.” 19

19.Die Mission einzelner Volksseelen, p. 4:9.

There you go

Nothing in that text says or infers that Steiner did not see the white race as superior, or Ãœbermensch, on the contrary:

"The “race” which Steiner described in positive terms was – not surprisingly – the white one"

“the most mature characteristica are found in the European area. It is simply (a natural) law.” (White race)

If you can interpret that text as him not seeing the white race as superior, then I don't know how you interpret things.

Ok, now I see I misinterpreted your post. Probably the antibiotics, anyway, I completely disagree with you, by all means. I'll start a positive thread on Steiner one of these days, without all the BS of incognizent critics!

So you're going to do the cult thing, and stop critical posts in your thead. Well, I'm sure that will work fine, especially when people can compare to this thread where I haven't tried once to stop anyone form posting positive things about Steiner. The only posts I have asked to be hidden, where a couple of totally off topic ones.

But by all means, don't learn from the "Scientology" experience, where they tried to stop critics from telling their side, and ended up in really deep trouble. (meaning losing lots of their supporters)

And the lesson for tonight (for me): Don't let anyone tell you different, thank you mum, and friends:)

By all means, don't learn through life. Be static and unchangeable.
Now I'm going to collect more "dirt" on Steiner for future references. (That, or maybe sleep)

By all means:) I'll be here to refute that dirt, goodnight.

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Sten Arne
Have you seen 'Hundraåringen som klev ut genom fönstret och försvann'
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2113681/
Very funny movie and the book for that matter.
In one episode, he undergoes a race biological survey when he was young.
He had apparently negro appearance (Robert Gustavsson) and violent behavior.
So the doctor decides to neuter him as a precaution.

If you want to kill me, you'd better hurry, because I'm 100 years old.

With everyone asleep I'll toss in a comment.

I haven't seen such a spirited discussion here in ... well I can't remember, at least not one that didn't end up in name calling and a thread going poof. Good job.

As to the person, Wiki said he had more than one phase to his life. Obviously one phase his writings helped Julie immensely. It looks like in another phase he became known as a racist. Not everyone is evil 100% of the time. Not everyone is good 100% of the time.

No one should have the ground they walk on worshiped. It is a big flaw we have in society today where celebrities can do no wrong. Sigh .... before I stray further off topic, I say again, good job keeping on point and not attacking each other.

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I'm attending a Symposium on Rudolf Steiner and the Rosicrucian impuls in Ghent at the Lectorium Rosicrucianum:)

Symposium zaterdag 27 september 2014, om 14:00 u

Rudolf Steiner en de rozenkruisersimpuls - 400 jaar Rozenkruis

Dit jaar is het exact 400 jaar geleden dat een eerste van de rozenkruisersmanifesten – de Fama Fraternitatis - in druk is verschenen. Daarin werd een prominente plaats toegekend aan een zekere C.R.C., voluit Christiaan Rozenkruis. Zoals de manifesten een nieuwe impuls wilden geven aan de Europese cultuur, zo werd met deze figuur een heel nieuw mensbeeld gecreëerd. Het archetypische beeld van een mens voor de komende nieuwe tijd. Ondertussen is het de vraag wat dit beeld ons nog te zeggen heeft, nu we de drempel van deze nieuwe tijd ruim overschreden hebben. Heeft dit beeld door het daadwerkelijk aanbreken van die nieuwe tijd geen nieuwe invulling nodig, is het niet aan een diepgaande herdenking toe?

Het symposium dat hieraan gewijd is bestaat uit twee grote delen. Het eerst bestaat uit een historische verkenning van de impuls van het klassieke Rozenkruis en zijn situering in de context van de woelige jaren 1600-1620 die voorafgingen aan de dertigjarige oorlog; een godsdienstoorlog die Europa op een even tragische wijze teisterde als de 'grote oorlog' die nu alom herdacht wordt, en waarna het continent en zijn bevolking nooit meer dezelfde waren.

In het tweede deel gaat alle aandacht naar het getuigenis van Rudolf Steiner over die rozenkruisersimpuls. Samen met Max Heindel was Steiner na 1900 de eerste die deze vernieuwingsimpuls doortrok naar de nieuwste tijd, naar onze 20ste en 21ste eeuw, en die de figuur van Christiaan Rozenkruis beschouwde als de nieuwste vertaling van de Christusimpuls uit het begin van het eerste millennium. Hij was ook degene die het theosofische gedachtengoed omboog naar het antroposofische, naar een leer over de nieuwe mens.

organisatie: Stichting Rozenkruis - www.rozenkruis.be - info@rozenkruis.be

Pardon my Dutch:)

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I'm attending a Symposium on Rudolf Steiner and the Rosicrucian impuls in Ghent at the Lectorium Rosicrucianum:)
Pardon my Dutch:)

In English Julie:)

Symposium Saturday, September 27th, 2014, at 14:00

Rudolf Steiner and the Rosicrucians impulse - 400 years Rose Cross

This year it is exactly 400 years since the first of the Rosicrucian manifestos - the Fama Fraternitatis - has appeared in print. It was a prominent place is given to a certain CRC, full Christian Rose Cross. As the manifestos wanted to give to European culture, a new impulse was so with this figure a whole new image of man created. The archetypal image of a man for the coming new age. Meanwhile, it is the question of what this still has to tell us, now we have the threshold of this new era largely exceeded. Do this by actually embarking on that new time requires no new interpretation, it is not an in-depth commemorative far?

The symposium devoted to this subject is composed of two main parts. The first consists of a historical exploration of the impulse of the classic Pink Cross and its situation in the context of the turbulent years of 1600-1620 that led to the Thirty Years' War; a religious war that ravaged Europe in an equally tragic as the "great war" that is now widely commemorated, and then the continent and its people were never the same.

In the second part, all the attention goes to the testimony of Rudolf Steiner about the Rosicrucian impulse. Together with Max Heindel Steiner was after 1900 the first such renewal impulse passed to the new age, our 20th and 21st century, and who saw the figure of Christian Rose Cross as the latest translation of the Christ impulse from the beginning of the first millennium. He was also the one who theosophical ideas omboog to anthroposophic, to learn about the new man.

organization: Foundation Pink Cross - www.rozenkruis.be - info@rozenkruis.be

Thirty Years' War! Thats the war Sweden was very much involved in.
Yes 30 years.

You were quite right after all, Sten, I removed Steiner from my hero list, thanx for opening my eyes.

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Steiner’s drawing of the “evolution of humankind” through the various stages – Hyperborea, Lemuria, Atlantis — from lower to higher forms (fish to reptiles to mammals etc), with the top three categories marked “apes,” then (American) “Indians,” then at the very top “Aryans.” Steiner’s 1907 lecture refers to both apes and Indians as “decadent side branches” of evolution.

Hurra
Vi skandinavier är högst upp.
We scandinaves are on top!

Hurray, good for you folks:)

But that means that Brits, Germans and most US peoples are on the top as well
And Dutch and Flemish from Belgium:)

Woohoo!!

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Must add to this whole story I'm quite pleased to be a proud member of the AMORC again.

Thinking of starting a new thread on Sartre and his existentialism..

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