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Message 1609845 - Posted: 6 Dec 2014, 11:23:38 UTC - in response to Message 1609744.  
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An interesting map of the Ukraine historical territories:

History lessons:)

Here is another one more contemporary!
http://tottestidning.blogspot.se/2014/03/ukraina-tank-om-karl-xii-vunnit-i.html
Many ukrainians remember Holodomor and can still talk about it.

This is not from any concentration camp! It is Ukraine 1932-33!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
Here is some videos with ukrainians in Gammelsvenskby near river Dnepr and Crimea.
They still keep speaking Swedish and some of them remember Holodomor very well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pB5w5f_Zpnc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCul7LLPT48
Carl Bildt have been there:)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZhww2mN3aE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IUfib0_ou0k
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Message 1609865 - Posted: 6 Dec 2014, 13:03:19 UTC
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More history lessons:)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkvNJinHv0o

Rurik or Riurik (Old Church Slavonic: Рюрик, from Rørik, the Old East Norse form of the name Roderick; c. 830 – c. 879) was a legendary Varangian (Viking) chieftain who gained control of Ladoga in 862, built the Holmgård settlement near Novgorod, and founded the Rurik Dynasty, which ruled Kievan Rus (and later Grand Duchy of Moscow and Tsardom of Russia) until the 17th century.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rurik
Nestor the Chronicler:
Tjuds, Slavs, Krivitjs and Vepsians said to the Rus (Vikings): Our country is great and rich, but there is no order in it. Come and be princes over us. And they chose three brothers with their families, and they took all the Rus and came. The eldest, Rurik, settled in Novgorod the second, Sineus, settled at Beloozero, and the third, Truvor, in Izborsk. And after these Rus' the country got its name

Holmgård Рюриково городище http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rurikovo_Gorodische

Rus Etymology
According to the most prevalent theory, the name Rus '​, like the Finnish name for Sweden (Ruotsi), is derived from an Old Norse term for "the men who row" (rods-) as rowing was the main method of navigating the rivers of Eastern Europe, and that it could be linked to the Swedish coastal area of Roslagen (Rus-law) or Roden, as it was known in earlier times. The name Rus '​ would then have the same origin as the Finnish and Estonian names for Sweden: Ruotsi and Rootsi.

If I would went to Crimea 350 years ago I would probably understand their language.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crimean_Gothic

Igor. Have Kazakstan connections like this to Russia as Scandinavia in history?
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Message 1609870 - Posted: 6 Dec 2014, 13:48:49 UTC - in response to Message 1609845.  

Many ukrainians remember Holodomor and can still talk about it.

If you know geography, you can look once again the map "Famine in USSR, 1933" (BTW, it's incomplete map) in the Wikipedia article that you post and you will understand that the Ukrainian "Holodomor" was not something specially Ukrainian. It was famine that struck on Ukrainians and Russians, Belorussians, Kazakhs, Tatars, Moldavians, etc.
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Message 1609872 - Posted: 6 Dec 2014, 13:56:30 UTC - in response to Message 1609865.  
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Rus Etymology
According to the most prevalent theory, the name Rus '​, like the Finnish name for Sweden (Ruotsi), is derived from an Old Norse term for "the men who row" (rods-)

LOL. OK, if you prefer Wikipedia, I can quote it too -

"The Rus '​ (Slavic: Русь; Greek: Ῥῶς) are an ancient people who gave their name to the lands of Russia and Belarus. Their origin and identity are much in dispute. Some Russian scholars, along with some Westerners, consider the Rus to be a southeastern Slavic tribe that founded a tribal league, the Kievan state. Ibn Khordadbeh, a Persian geographer of the 9th century, also believed the Rus people were Slavic."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rus%27_people
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Message 1609883 - Posted: 6 Dec 2014, 14:35:14 UTC - in response to Message 1609872.  
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Rus Etymology
According to the most prevalent theory, the name Rus '​, like the Finnish name for Sweden (Ruotsi), is derived from an Old Norse term for "the men who row" (rods-)

LOL. OK, if you prefer Wikipedia, I can quote it too -

"The Rus '​ (Slavic: Русь; Greek: Ῥῶς) are an ancient people who gave their name to the lands of Russia and Belarus. Their origin and identity are much in dispute. Some Russian scholars, along with some Westerners, consider the Rus to be a southeastern Slavic tribe that founded a tribal league, the Kievan state. Ibn Khordadbeh, a Persian geographer of the 9th century, also believed the Rus people were Slavic."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rus%27_people

You forgot this:)
Another theory is that the name comes from the Sarmatian of the Roxolani, who inhabited southern Ukraine, Moldova and Romania (from the Old Persian rokhs, meaning light, white, dirty blond).

My reflection...
rokhs <-> rus
Maybe its a coincident but I think the persians met people who camed from what is now Ukraine but that they didnt know that the people originated from Scandinavia.
There are evidences that the vikings had merchant stations along river Dnepr.
The Vikings also did a lot of hunting in Ukraina.
They hunted most for fur such as fox fur and eventually sold in Constantinople, now Istanbul.

btw A Russian scholar during the Stalin era also believed that Rus' where Vikings. However he was sent to GULAG for that!

The old link between the Swedes and Ukrainians
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p3n6kca4rzI
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Message 1609951 - Posted: 6 Dec 2014, 18:48:45 UTC
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Some more history.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rh9y97in2CA
Sarmatian of the Roxolani!
Roxolani <-> Ruotsalainen meaning Swedish in Finland.
Remember that Sweden nor Finland was countries back then.
But there are lots of swedes living in Finland even today.
They even speak Swedish:)
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Message 1609968 - Posted: 6 Dec 2014, 19:48:59 UTC
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The "new Maidan's protesters" seized the administration building in Vinnytsia (Central Ukraine). The chairman of Vinnytsia Regional State Administration accuses protesters for work for the Russian intelligence services.
http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=ru&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unian.net%2Fpolitics%2F1018515-predsedatel-vinnitskoy-oga-obvinyaet-protestuyuschih-v-rabote-na-rossiyskie-spetsslujbyi.html

P.S. Reading the Ukrainian media, it is clearly that all bad things in the Ukraine is the project of Russian intelligence services.
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Message 1609970 - Posted: 6 Dec 2014, 20:05:07 UTC - in response to Message 1609968.  
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The "new Maidan's protesters" seized the administration building in Vinnytsia (Central Ukraine). The chairman of Vinnytsia Regional State Administration accuses protesters for work for the Russian intelligence services.
http://www.microsofttranslator.com/bv.aspx?from=ru&to=en&a=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.unian.net%2Fpolitics%2F1018515-predsedatel-vinnitskoy-oga-obvinyaet-protestuyuschih-v-rabote-na-rossiyskie-spetsslujbyi.html

P.S. This winter, even if the Ukrainian went on the ice and fell, he knows it is the guilt of the Russian intelligence services. LOL.

This is weird.
Your link can not be found under http://www.unian.net/politics/1018515-predsedatel-vinnitskoy-oga-obvinyaet-protestuyuschih-v-rabote-na-rossiyskie-spetsslujbyi.html when doing this
http://www.unian.info/politics/

Your P.S. tells everything:)
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Message 1609972 - Posted: 6 Dec 2014, 20:16:33 UTC - in response to Message 1609970.  
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This is weird.
Your link can not be found under http://www.unian.net/politics/1018515-predsedatel-vinnitskoy-oga-obvinyaet-protestuyuschih-v-rabote-na-rossiyskie-spetsslujbyi.html
http://www.unian.info/politics/


http://www.unian.net/politics/1018515-predsedatel-vinnitskoy-oga-obvinyaet-protestuyuschih-v-rabote-na-rossiyskie-spetsslujbyi.html - Rus
http://www.unian.ua/politics/1018514-golova-vinnitskoji-oda-zvinuvachue-protestuvalnikiv-u-roboti-na-rosiyski-spetsslujbi.html - Ukr
It's not weird because the English version is not a full mirror of Ukrainian version. Even the Russian version is not a full mirror of Ukrainian version. It's not strange, it's the Ukrainian media. :)
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Message 1609974 - Posted: 6 Dec 2014, 20:20:41 UTC - in response to Message 1609972.  
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This is weird.
Your link can not be found under http://www.unian.net/politics/1018515-predsedatel-vinnitskoy-oga-obvinyaet-protestuyuschih-v-rabote-na-rossiyskie-spetsslujbyi.html
http://www.unian.info/politics/


http://www.unian.net/politics/1018515-predsedatel-vinnitskoy-oga-obvinyaet-protestuyuschih-v-rabote-na-rossiyskie-spetsslujbyi.html
It's not weird because the English version is not a full mirror.

And why do you think that a Ukrainian website is holding back information?
Chairperson of Vinnytsia regional State administration Anatoliy Oliynyk assumes that the seizure of the administration building, where machines OG and the Regional Council in the winery, is a planned action of the Russian security services.
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Message 1609976 - Posted: 6 Dec 2014, 20:26:27 UTC - in response to Message 1609974.  
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And why do you think that a Ukrainian website is holding back information?

Oh, why don't you ask them directly? It's the Ukrainian media, sir. :)
http://www.unian.ua
http://www.unian.net
http://www.unian.info
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Message 1609983 - Posted: 6 Dec 2014, 20:39:58 UTC - in response to Message 1609976.  

And why do you think that a Ukrainian website is holding back information?

Oh, why don't you ask them directly? It's the Ukrainian media, sir. :)
http://www.unian.ua
http://www.unian.net
http://www.unian.info

So are you saying that you believe the rubbish that comes out of Russian media sites instead? :-O

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Message 1609991 - Posted: 6 Dec 2014, 20:49:14 UTC - in response to Message 1609983.  
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And why do you think that a Ukrainian website is holding back information?

Oh, why don't you ask them directly? It's the Ukrainian media, sir. :)
http://www.unian.ua
http://www.unian.net
http://www.unian.info

So are you saying that you believe the rubbish that comes out of Russian media sites instead? :-O

Sorry, are you really understand what you wrote? :-O
It's all the Ukrainian UNIAN site. When you click mouse to the УКР-РУС-ENG on the near-upper-right corner of their page, you can see it easily.
If you think their page on the Russian language is fake, you can translate other their page from the Ukrainian language.
http://www.unian.net/politics/1018515-predsedatel-vinnitskoy-oga-obvinyaet-protestuyuschih-v-rabote-na-rossiyskie-spetsslujbyi.html
http://www.unian.ua/politics/1018514-golova-vinnitskoji-oda-zvinuvachue-protestuvalnikiv-u-roboti-na-rosiyski-spetsslujbi.html
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Message 1609992 - Posted: 6 Dec 2014, 20:49:27 UTC - in response to Message 1609976.  
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And why do you think that a Ukrainian website is holding back information?

Oh, why don't you ask them directly? It's the Ukrainian media, sir. :)
http://www.unian.ua
http://www.unian.net
http://www.unian.info

I dont have to simply because the story is lame.
Do I have to remaind you that there are many more news agencies in Ukraine.
Kyiv Post for instances.
http://www.kyivpost.com/
And Ukraine Today
http://uatoday.tv/
And Hromadske TV
http://www.hromadske.tv/
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Message 1610000 - Posted: 6 Dec 2014, 21:00:42 UTC - in response to Message 1609992.  

I dont have to simply because the story is lame.
Do I have to remaind you that there are many more news agencies in Ukraine.
Kyiv Post for instances.
http://www.kyivpost.com/

Many of laughable "news" that is present in the Ukrainian language web-sites aren't translated in English.
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Message 1610003 - Posted: 6 Dec 2014, 21:05:43 UTC - in response to Message 1610000.  
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I dont have to simply because the story is lame.
Do I have to remaind you that there are many more news agencies in Ukraine.
Kyiv Post for instances.
http://www.kyivpost.com/

Many of laughable "news" that is present in the Ukrainian language web-sites aren't translated in English.

For heavens sake.
Kyiv Post are ALL English spoken!
And they also compile news from ALL the World that concerning Ukraine!
I dont laugh when reading news from Eastern Ukraine...
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Message 1610004 - Posted: 6 Dec 2014, 21:12:34 UTC - in response to Message 1610003.  

I dont have to simply because the story is lame.
Do I have to remaind you that there are many more news agencies in Ukraine.
Kyiv Post for instances.
http://www.kyivpost.com/

Many of laughable "news" that is present in the Ukrainian language web-sites aren't translated in English.

For heavens sake.
Kyiv Post are ALL English spoken!

And Kyiv Post really post not all of Ukrainian news. :)
Many Ukrainian web-sites wrote about that speech. You can translate -
http://tvi.ua/new/2014/12/06/holova_vinnyckoyi_oda_pidozryuye_scho_shturm_budivli_splanuvaly_rosiyski_specsluzhby
http://zik.ua/ua/news/2014/12/06/oliynyk_zayavyv_shcho_vinnytsku_oda_zahopyly_rosiyski_provokatory_ta_vvedeni_v_omanu_patrioty_546899
http://ua.racurs.ua/news/40599-vinnyckyy-gubernator-vvajaie-shturm-oda-provokaciieu-rosiyskyh-specslujb
http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2014/12/6/7046685/
http://fakty.ictv.ua/ua/index/read-news/id/1535963
http://www.myvin.com.ua/ua/news/politics/31368.html
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Message 1610006 - Posted: 6 Dec 2014, 21:18:16 UTC - in response to Message 1610004.  

I dont have to simply because the story is lame.
Do I have to remaind you that there are many more news agencies in Ukraine.
Kyiv Post for instances.
http://www.kyivpost.com/

Many of laughable "news" that is present in the Ukrainian language web-sites aren't translated in English.

For heavens sake.
Kyiv Post are ALL English spoken!

And Kyiv Post really post not all of Ukrainian news. :)
Many Ukrainian web-sites wrote about that speech. You can translate -
http://tvi.ua/new/2014/12/06/holova_vinnyckoyi_oda_pidozryuye_scho_shturm_budivli_splanuvaly_rosiyski_specsluzhby
http://zik.ua/ua/news/2014/12/06/oliynyk_zayavyv_shcho_vinnytsku_oda_zahopyly_rosiyski_provokatory_ta_vvedeni_v_omanu_patrioty_546899
http://ua.racurs.ua/news/40599-vinnyckyy-gubernator-vvajaie-shturm-oda-provokaciieu-rosiyskyh-specslujb
http://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2014/12/6/7046685/
http://fakty.ictv.ua/ua/index/read-news/id/1535963
http://www.myvin.com.ua/ua/news/politics/31368.html

Thank you very much:)
There are more news agencies such as Ukrinform and http://podrobnosti.ua/news/allnews/
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Message 1610012 - Posted: 6 Dec 2014, 21:28:19 UTC - in response to Message 1609991.  

And why do you think that a Ukrainian website is holding back information?

Oh, why don't you ask them directly? It's the Ukrainian media, sir. :)
http://www.unian.ua
http://www.unian.net
http://www.unian.info

So are you saying that you believe the rubbish that comes out of Russian media sites instead? :-O

Sorry, are you really understand what you wrote? :-O
It's all the Ukrainian UNIAN site. When you click mouse to the УКР-РУС-ENG on the near-upper-right corner of their page, you can see it easily.
If you think their page on the Russian language is fake, you can translate other their page from the Ukrainian language.
http://www.unian.net/politics/1018515-predsedatel-vinnitskoy-oga-obvinyaet-protestuyuschih-v-rabote-na-rossiyskie-spetsslujbyi.html
http://www.unian.ua/politics/1018514-golova-vinnitskoji-oda-zvinuvachue-protestuvalnikiv-u-roboti-na-rosiyski-spetsslujbi.html

I understand perfectly actually, but it seems that you actually don't. ;-)

You reckon that Ukrainian media holds back info, so are you trying to tell us that you'd rather believe the lies and propaganda that Russian media puts out, and do remember that Russian media won't put out anything that isn't approved by the Kremlin 1st.

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