We are all born with a mixed bag of tendencies that are determined by our genes. We get half from dad and half from mom. No two children (except identical twins) of the same parents get the same combination of genes. That is why one sibling can be angelic whilst another is diabolical. For the moment we don't have control over which genes get passed on to our offspring so each person's initial tendencies are like a roll of the dice. That is just the way it is and doesn't require input from a supreme being.

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My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

We are all born with a mixed bag of tendencies that are determined by our genes. We get half from dad and half from mom. No two children (except identical twins) of the same parents get the same combination of genes. That is why one sibling can be angelic whilst another is diabolical. For the moment we don't have control over which genes get passed on to our offspring so each person's initial tendencies are like a roll of the dice. That is just the way it is and doesn't require input from a supreme being.

There are also twins who have identical genes (clones) but could behave differant when they are growing up. Many studies can prove that.

I spent 20 years doing prison volunteerism, in the MCI (Massachusetts Correctional Institution), system, and those inmates who are honest about it (and, many are), will tell you, regardless of a person's "handicap", that if "You do the crime, you do the time."

Very simple. Many of the judges would probably agree. What helps, however, is a good (expensive) lawyer.

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We are all born with a mixed bag of tendencies that are determined by our genes. We get half from dad and half from mom. No two children (except identical twins) of the same parents get the same combination of genes. That is why one sibling can be angelic whilst another is diabolical. For the moment we don't have control over which genes get passed on to our offspring so each person's initial tendencies are like a roll of the dice. That is just the way it is and doesn't require input from a supreme being.

There are also twins who have identical genes (clones) but could behave differant when they are growing up. Many studies can prove that.

Great information.
So how does that impact this discussion?

Impact a discussion?
Now i am confused.

I spent 20 years doing prison volunteerism, in the MCI (Massachusetts Correctional Institution), system, and those inmates who are honest about it (and, many are), will tell you, regardless of a person's "handicap", that if "You do the crime, you do the time."
Very simple. Many of the judges would probably agree. What helps, however, is a good (expensive) lawyer.

I have to say that 'Correctional Institution' sounds like Soviet and old China to me...

Correctional Institution is the politically correct name for a prison.

I thought my most recent comment pertained directly with the title of this thread. But I will draw the inevitable conclusion that a good portion of the population is born with the potential to become labeled evil depending on what each individual does with the tools given him or her.

An interesting but impossible study would be to follow the development of another Hitler or Stalin or other sociopath and see what becomes of that person. Could Hitler have become just a so so artist and never gone into politics?

I don't think we can label a person born with the genetic markers for potential evil as such a person before development is well under way and behavior is established.

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My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

Correctional Institution is the politically correct name for a prison.

Politically correct?
Thats a term I have never understood.
It's somehow suggest that some politicians are right and others are wrong per definition.
In Scandinavia we call a prison a prison.
Simple as that.
Maybe not in Finland where it's called 'tukthus'.
Penitentiary was formerly denomination for major criminal or forced labor prisons.
By 'tukthus' ie, strict discipline and orderly employment prisoners would be made into useful members of society.

A corollary: "If you don't do the crime, you don't do the time." To the
best of my knowledge, nobody has been sent to jail, based on his genotype --
yet. By then, I suppose a genotype which might predispose a person to do
severe anti-social acts, would be eliminated from the gene pool, by whatever
approved methods.

Where is humanity going? A good book to read, is, "Redesigning Humans",
by Gregory Stock. It discusses "designer babies", with socially-desired
traits. China may well lead the way, according to G.S. So, stay tuned.

Perhaps, "evil" will drop by the wayside, in the scramble for children with
superior physical and mental traits (Then, again, with more aggressive ones?).

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To the best of my knowledge, nobody has been sent to jail, based on his genotype yet.

No, but sterilization.
In Scandinavia they did that until late fifties!

Politically correct?
Thats a term I have never understood.

Those are two words that don't even fit together in one sentence...

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Correctional Institution is the politically correct name for a prison.

I thought my most recent comment pertained directly with the title of this thread. But I will draw the inevitable conclusion that a good portion of the population is born with the potential to become labeled evil depending on what each individual does with the tools given him or her.

An interesting but impossible study would be to follow the development of another Hitler or Stalin or other sociopath and see what becomes of that person. Could Hitler have become just a so so artist and never gone into politics?

I don't think we can label a person born with the genetic markers for potential evil as such a person before development is well under way and behavior is established.

But what determines who gets those markers & why some not others? Parents have been mentioned, so follow that through...

...where did those markers originate?

But what determines who gets those markers & why some not others? Parents have been mentioned, so follow that through...

...where did those markers originate?

Genetic Influences

According to studies, the biology of aggression operates at three levels - Genetic Influence, Neural Influence and Biochemical Influences. Firstly, according to twin studies, it suggests that gene influence human aggression (Miles & Carey, 1997; Rowe et al., 1999). Researchers are actively on the search for genetic markers found in those who exhibit such evil behaviours. The one well known is the Y chromosome. Studies revealed that men are more likely to be engaged in aggressive behaviour.

http://www.ukessays.com/essays/psychology/evil-acts-in-the-name-of-god-psychology-essay.php
Topics:
Predispositional
Genetic Influences
Neural Influences
Biochemical Influences
Situational
Terrorism
Evil acts in the name of God
Evil act to secure a future
sigh...

Markers are yet to be found. Next Nobel Price in medicin perhaps.

http://www.crimelibrary.com/serial_killers/notorious/tick/killers_9.html
http://rinr.fsu.edu/spring96/features/evil.html

Predispositional
Genetic Influences
Neural Influences
Biochemical Influences
Situational
Terrorism
Evil acts in the name of God
Evil act to secure a future
sigh...

And so on...

Markers are yet to be found. Next Nobel Price in medicin perhaps.

So this means it is not yet proven that we actually can be born with evil within us, in our chromosones, if I understand correctly?

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Predispositional
Genetic Influences
Neural Influences
Biochemical Influences
Situational
Terrorism
Evil acts in the name of God
Evil act to secure a future
sigh...

And so on...

Markers are yet to be found. Next Nobel Price in medicin perhaps.

So this means it is not yet proven that we actually can be born with evil within us, in our chromosones, if I understand correctly?

Yes. We are not the only one who have hard to grasp the concept.

"There is no single gene capable of producing criminal behavior per se," writes noted University of Southern California criminal psychologist Dr. Adrian Raine in The Psychopathology of Crime (Academic Press, 1993). However, Raine goes on to conclude that "despite strong criticisms from social scientists, empirical data from several sources provide strong converging lines of evidence indicating some degree of genetic predisposition for crime."

Raine says that in all likelihood, such a condition is the result of multiple genes acting in concert to control the development of proteins and enzymes that drive a variety of "physiological processes," which in turn set the stage for criminal behavior in some people.

I think it just us humans and maybe some chimpanzees that are evil.
Evil thus appears to depend on intelligence.
The next stage of evolution might be a species that is more intelligent and more evil than we are :(

Predispositional
Genetic Influences
Neural Influences
Biochemical Influences
Situational
Terrorism
Evil acts in the name of God
Evil act to secure a future
sigh...

And so on...

Markers are yet to be found. Next Nobel Price in medicin perhaps.

So this means it is not yet proven that we actually can be born with evil within us, in our chromosones, if I understand correctly?

Yes. We are not the only one who have hard to grasp the concept.

"There is no single gene capable of producing criminal behavior per se," writes noted University of Southern California criminal psychologist Dr. Adrian Raine in The Psychopathology of Crime (Academic Press, 1993). However, Raine goes on to conclude that "despite strong criticisms from social scientists, empirical data from several sources provide strong converging lines of evidence indicating some degree of genetic predisposition for crime."

Raine says that in all likelihood, such a condition is the result of multiple genes acting in concert to control the development of proteins and enzymes that drive a variety of "physiological processes," which in turn set the stage for criminal behavior in some people.

I think it just us humans and maybe some chimpanzees that are evil.
Evil thus appears to depend on intelligence.
The next stage of evolution might be a species that is more intelligent and more evil than we are :(

Hmmm, don't quite agree with that statement. That would mean that highly intelligent people would be of great evil too? Doesn't make sense...

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Evil thus appears to depend on intelligence.
The next stage of evolution might be a species that is more intelligent and more evil than we are :(

Hmmm, don't quite agree with that statement. That would mean that highly intelligent people would be of great evil too? Doesn't make sense...

Of course it doesn't make sense...
But how about Ted Bundy

In 1985, Jim Sewell, a Ph.D. criminologist at FSU and a member of the campus police force at the time of the killings, published an analysis of Bundy based on FSU psychologist Ned Megargee's "algebra of aggression" approach to the nagging question--why?
He found Bundy to be a curious hybrid of over- and undercontrolled tendencies, whose high intelligence, likeable character, and nurturing childhood (Ted was a regular church-goer, a Boy Scout and the apple of his mom's eye) should have made him a model citizen. In the end, such assets obviously proved worthless.

One way to solve part of problem is to abolish alcohol and drugs.
But that means also that we cannot have a cold one:(

Cheers!

Evil thus appears to depend on intelligence.
The next stage of evolution might be a species that is more intelligent and more evil than we are :(

Hmmm, don't quite agree with that statement. That would mean that highly intelligent people would be of great evil too? Doesn't make sense...

Of course it doesn't make sense...
But how about Ted Bundy

In 1985, Jim Sewell, a Ph.D. criminologist at FSU and a member of the campus police force at the time of the killings, published an analysis of Bundy based on FSU psychologist Ned Megargee's "algebra of aggression" approach to the nagging question--why?
He found Bundy to be a curious hybrid of over- and undercontrolled tendencies, whose high intelligence, likeable character, and nurturing childhood (Ted was a regular church-goer, a Boy Scout and the apple of his mom's eye) should have made him a model citizen. In the end, such assets obviously proved worthless.

Or perhaps he was a good actor.

Not perhaps. He was a sociopath as well.

Predispositional
Genetic Influences
Neural Influences
Biochemical Influences
Situational
Terrorism
Evil acts in the name of God
Evil act to secure a future
sigh...

And so on...

Markers are yet to be found. Next Nobel Price in medicin perhaps.

So this means it is not yet proven that we actually can be born with evil within us, in our chromosones, if I understand correctly?

Yes. We are not the only one who have hard to grasp the concept.

"There is no single gene capable of producing criminal behavior per se," writes noted University of Southern California criminal psychologist Dr. Adrian Raine in The Psychopathology of Crime (Academic Press, 1993). However, Raine goes on to conclude that "despite strong criticisms from social scientists, empirical data from several sources provide strong converging lines of evidence indicating some degree of genetic predisposition for crime."

Raine says that in all likelihood, such a condition is the result of multiple genes acting in concert to control the development of proteins and enzymes that drive a variety of "physiological processes," which in turn set the stage for criminal behavior in some people.

I think it just us humans and maybe some chimpanzees that are evil.
Evil thus appears to depend on intelligence.
The next stage of evolution might be a species that is more intelligent and more evil than we are :(

Hmmm, don't quite agree with that statement. That would mean that highly intelligent people would be of great evil too? Doesn't make sense...

Of course Intelligent People commit great evil.

They just do it more intelligently, and are therefore more dangerous.

Agreed but intelligence is not a cause of evil.

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Predispositional
Genetic Influences
Neural Influences
Biochemical Influences
Situational
Terrorism
Evil acts in the name of God
Evil act to secure a future
sigh...

And so on...

Markers are yet to be found. Next Nobel Price in medicin perhaps.

So this means it is not yet proven that we actually can be born with evil within us, in our chromosones, if I understand correctly?

Yes. We are not the only one who have hard to grasp the concept.
I think it just us humans and maybe some chimpanzees that are evil.
Evil thus appears to depend on intelligence.
The next stage of evolution might be a species that is more intelligent and more evil than we are :(

Hmmm, don't quite agree with that statement. That would mean that highly intelligent people would be of great evil too? Doesn't make sense...

Of course Intelligent People commit great evil.
They just do it more intelligently, and are therefore more dangerous.

Agreed but intelligence is not a cause of evil.

I have to disagree since only humans and maybe some chimpanzees are evil.

Predispositional
Genetic Influences
Neural Influences
Biochemical Influences
Situational
Terrorism
Evil acts in the name of God
Evil act to secure a future
sigh...

And so on...

Markers are yet to be found. Next Nobel Price in medicin perhaps.

So this means it is not yet proven that we actually can be born with evil within us, in our chromosones, if I understand correctly?

Yes. We are not the only one who have hard to grasp the concept.
I think it just us humans and maybe some chimpanzees that are evil.
Evil thus appears to depend on intelligence.
The next stage of evolution might be a species that is more intelligent and more evil than we are :(

Hmmm, don't quite agree with that statement. That would mean that highly intelligent people would be of great evil too? Doesn't make sense...

Of course Intelligent People commit great evil.
They just do it more intelligently, and are therefore more dangerous.

Agreed but intelligence is not a cause of evil.

I have to disagree since only humans and maybe some chimpanzees are evil.

Can you provide me a link to prove that point because I really can't believe that.

btw: a mosquito, bugging me and stinging me all night, I call evil too:)) Just joking, nevermind but I really want to see some proof of your statement.

[edit] One could also say that ignorance is sin and knowledge is salvation which completely contradicts your statement.

Intelligence makes us more complex, that's true,. Dolphins are extremely intelligent, dolphins are also known for gang raping female dolphins and torturing other animals for fun. However they are also known for saving drowning humans, as their sonar allows them to see the anatomy of the human, seeing that the human is a mammal like itself and need oxygen to survive, the dolphins have empathy for the drowning humans and save them.

Found an interesting read on that last part:

http://melissaasmith.hubpages.com/hub/orcaskill

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