Remember what Khrushchev did to Ukraine, as one of Stalin's mass murdering henchmen.

Khruschev- We will bury you

I was referencing Pre-WWII Khrushchev.
He was the Leading Henchman regarding the mass starvation of Ukraine.

Are you 90 years old :) and remember the Holodomor?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor
The total number of population losses across the entire Soviet Union is estimated as 6–7 million.

Survival was a moral as well as a physical struggle. A woman doctor wrote to a friend in June 1933 that she had not yet become a cannibal, but was "not sure that I shall not be one by the time my letter reaches you." The good people died first. Those who refused to steal or to prostitute themselves died. Those who gave food to others died. Those who refused to eat corpses died. Those who refused to kill their fellow man died.

Khrushchev was at that time a joker to Stalin.
They had late night sessions with a lot vodka together with Stalins other henchmens.
Khrushchev was both a party animal and a thug who followed Stalins order.

Mass starvation of Ukraine post WWII:(
The famine was very great in the Ukraine in 1947 Almost the entire Maria Malmas family died during the famine. School children were given 150 grams of bread per day, infant died of starvation and the adults who worked hungered, says Anna Sigalet.
Anna Sigalet also talks about her period in Siberia doing forced labour, -55 C Cold. Brrrrr.
http://svenska.yle.fi/arkivet/artikkelit/gammalsvenskby_i_ukraina_67068.html#media=67077
They speak Swedish:)

Khrushchev was at that time a joker to Stalin.
They had late night sessions with a lot vodka together with Stalins other henchmens.
Khrushchev was both a party animal and a thug who followed Stalins order.

Read his book 'Khrushchev Remembers' many years ago.
Yes, he was a survivor under Stalin. But also a mass murderer.

At least Putin isn't a mass murderer.
But I read that the Russian constitution allows him to be a president until 2024.
Yes, Another 10 years:(
Tonight I'm going to refresh my memory with this film about Khrushchev.
50 years since I did that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VWDWfjUyTLU
Khrushchev - The Bear's Embrace
Narrated by actor Henry Fonda
Produced by New York Times.

If you cant beat them why not humiliate them?

Kremlin-backed separatists humiliate Ukrainian army in Donetsk parade on Independence day!
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/kremlin-backed-separatists-humiliate-ukrainian-army-in-donetsk-parade-361888.html

Photos and videos show hundreds of civilians who gathered to witness the humiliation of Ukrainian soldiers. The people are heard chanting "Fascists!", calling the soldiers "F*cking demons!" and "F*ggots!" and demanding that the servicemen get on their knees. Some were throwing flour, eggs and bottles at the prisoners.
To add to the humiliation, a street cleaning machine followed the prisoners - a clear reference to the march of captive German soldiers in Moscow in 1944, where a street cleaner symbolically washed the road after them.

This is clearly a violation of international laws and perhaps the Geneva Convention regarding POWs.

If you cant beat them why not humiliate them?

Kremlin-backed separatists humiliate Ukrainian army in Donetsk parade on Independence day!
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/kremlin-backed-separatists-humiliate-ukrainian-army-in-donetsk-parade-361888.html

Photos and videos show hundreds of civilians who gathered to witness the humiliation of Ukrainian soldiers. The people are heard chanting "Fascists!", calling the soldiers "F*cking demons!" and "F*ggots!" and demanding that the servicemen get on their knees. Some were throwing flour, eggs and bottles at the prisoners.
To add to the humiliation, a street cleaning machine followed the prisoners - a clear reference to the march of captive German soldiers in Moscow in 1944, where a street cleaner symbolically washed the road after them.

This is clearly a violation of international laws and perhaps the Geneva Convention regarding POWs.

Yes. When will Tsar Putin the Great stand trial?

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If you cant beat them why not humiliate them?

Kremlin-backed separatists humiliate Ukrainian army in Donetsk parade on Independence day!
http://www.kyivpost.com/content/ukraine/kremlin-backed-separatists-humiliate-ukrainian-army-in-donetsk-parade-361888.html

Photos and videos show hundreds of civilians who gathered to witness the humiliation of Ukrainian soldiers. The people are heard chanting "Fascists!", calling the soldiers "F*cking demons!" and "F*ggots!" and demanding that the servicemen get on their knees. Some were throwing flour, eggs and bottles at the prisoners.
To add to the humiliation, a street cleaning machine followed the prisoners - a clear reference to the march of captive German soldiers in Moscow in 1944, where a street cleaner symbolically washed the road after them.

This is clearly a violation of international laws and perhaps the Geneva Convention regarding POWs.

Yes. When will Tsar Putin the Great stand trial?

Probably never...
I can't recall any Head of State standing any trial in modern history.
Executed yes but no trial.

Kremlin-backed separatists humiliate Ukrainian army in Donetsk parade on Independence day!

When will Tsar Putin the Great stand trial?

Why would Putin be put on trial for the actions of a mob of civilians in a country where he has no authority?

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Kolch - Crunching for the BOINC@Australia team since July 2004.
Search for your own intelligence...

Kremlin-backed separatists humiliate Ukrainian army in Donetsk parade on Independence day!

When will Tsar Putin the Great stand trial?

Why would Putin be put on trial for the actions of a mob of civilians in a country where he has no authority?

Maybe you should think again.
The mob of civilians are Russian Citizens!!!
The mob of civilians are Russian mercinaries!!!
The mob of civilians are not civilians!!!
They are trained Soldiers from Russia where Putin has the authority!!!

путин Хуйло, Ола-ла-ла-ла.

Maybe you should think again.
The mob of civilians are Russian Citizens!!!
The mob of civilians are Russian mercinaries!!!
The mob of civilians are not civilians!!!
They are trained Soldiers from Russia where Putin has the authority!!!

Are you saying that the people remaining in the regions of Eastern Ukraine are only Russians?

I agree that most of the people there called themselves Russian from the beginning.

That is the very reason why your entire argument is moot.

The eastern areas of Ukraine are filled with Russians and they would fight a Ukraine government that despises them.

That has nothing to do with Putin. Or Russia.

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Kolch - Crunching for the BOINC@Australia team since July 2004.
Search for your own intelligence...

So if China buys one of the big mining companies operating in Queensland, and they ships in 1,000's of Chinese workers to do the dirty jobs the Australians don't want at low wages. Then in ten or twenty years these Chinese workers then declare Queensland is now part of China.

Are you and all the rest of Australia going to roll over and say "By all means, it's all yours" and redraw the borders.

Maybe you should think again.
The mob of civilians are Russian Citizens!!!
The mob of civilians are Russian mercinaries!!!
The mob of civilians are not civilians!!!
They are trained Soldiers from Russia where Putin has the authority!!!

Are you saying that the people remaining in the regions of Eastern Ukraine are only Russians?
I agree that most of the people there called themselves Russian from the beginning.
That is the very reason why your entire argument is moot.
The eastern areas of Ukraine are filled with Russians and they would fight a Ukraine government that despises them.
That has nothing to do with Putin. Or Russia.

Oh dear.
Australia have media that cover the Ukrainian crisis.
Maybe you should start read them.
http://www.abc.net.au/news/topic/ukraine
The mob in Eastern Ukraine are a minority.
Donbas is only a part of Eastern Ukraine.
Donbas are not filled with Russians. They are Ukrianians who speaks Russian.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donbas

Moot? Merely facts.

So if China buys one of the big mining companies operating in Queensland, and they ships in 1,000's of Chinese workers to do the dirty jobs the Australians don't want at low wages. Then in ten or twenty years these Chinese workers then declare Queensland is now part of China.

Are you and all the rest of Australia going to roll over and say "By all means, it's all yours" and redraw the borders.

I understand the comparison you're trying to make but it is apples and oranges. For one thing, no part of this country has been part of the Chinese Empire at any point in history. Another thing is that immigration laws prevent exactly that possibility.

Don't think people in this country don't worry about Chinese companies buying large tracts of land for mining and agriculture though... I'm just not one of them.

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Kolch - Crunching for the BOINC@Australia team since July 2004.
Search for your own intelligence...

So if China buys one of the big mining companies operating in Queensland, and they ships in 1,000's of Chinese workers to do the dirty jobs the Australians don't want at low wages. Then in ten or twenty years these Chinese workers then declare Queensland is now part of China.

Are you and all the rest of Australia going to roll over and say "By all means, it's all yours" and redraw the borders.

I understand the comparison you're trying to make but it is apples and oranges. For one thing, no part of this country has been part of the Chinese Empire at any point in history. Another thing is that immigration laws prevent exactly that possibility.

Don't think people in this country don't worry about Chinese companies buying large tracts of land for mining and agriculture though... I'm just not one of them.

Like your motto.
Search for your own intelligence...
Sorry. I cant help myself:)

Donbas is only a part of Eastern Ukraine.
Donbas are not filled with Russians. They are Ukrianians who speaks Russian.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donbas

Moot? Merely facts.

The Don Basin - The Heart of Russia

A link to a 1921 Russian poster from the very wiki page you referred to.

The area clearly has strong historical ties to Russia.



In any case, assuming the Ukrainian military crushes all resistance as it seems they will, how then do you propose they will govern an area where the people are so openly in opposition to the policy of the government in Kiev? I guess they will have a military occupation of their own territories.

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Kolch - Crunching for the BOINC@Australia team since July 2004.
Search for your own intelligence...

A link to a 1921 Russian poster from the very wiki page you referred to.
The area clearly has strong historical ties to Russia.

History of Europe - 6013 years in 3 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxDyJ_6N-6A
At last. Finland and Estonia (Estland) will become Swedish again:)
Gammalsvenskbyn in Ukraina will become a Swedish exclave.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gammalsvenskby
New Sweden was a Swedish colony along the lower reaches of Delaware River in North America.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Sweden
Also parts of modern Russia (Ryssland), Poland, Germany (Tyskland) and Latvia (Lettland).
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Swedish_Empire
Languages: Swedish, Finnish, Norwegian, Estonian, Sami, Low German, Latin, Livonian, Latvian, Danish.

In any case, assuming the Ukrainian military crushes all resistance as it seems they will, how then do you propose they will govern an area where the people are so openly in opposition to the policy of the government in Kiev? I guess they will have a military occupation of their own territories.

How many are openly in opposition to the policy of the government in Kiev?
I dont think anybody knows.
Occupation of their own territories?
Think again...

History of Europe - 6013 years in 3 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxDyJ_6N-6A

Relating to Russia vs Ukraine, this history shows that the area has been "Russian" since mid-late 18th century. Only really in the last 20 years has there been a true Ukraine.

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Kolch - Crunching for the BOINC@Australia team since July 2004.
Search for your own intelligence...

A link to a 1921 Russian poster from the very wiki page you referred to.
The area clearly has strong historical ties to Russia.

Hmm 1921
Lenin Days in Russia.
1922 - 1952 Stalin era in Soviet not Russia.
1992 End of Soviet.
According to my calculation it means 70 years since Ukrainia belonged to Russia

History of Europe - 6013 years in 3 minutes
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxDyJ_6N-6A

Relating to Russia vs Ukraine, this history shows that the area has been "Russian" since mid-late 18th century. Only really in the last 20 years has there been a true Ukraine.

Only really in the last 20 years ?
How many years does it takes to be a true country?
Finland has only been Finland in 100 years.
Some has Swedish as their native language.
So called Donetsk Peoples Republic in Donbass is only 3 months old!

Crimea has been Ukrainian Soviet Socialist Republic or Ukrainian for 60 years.

btw Dont they teach history in Australian schools?
Sounds almost like US:)

janneseti, please... translate for the australian, who lives across the ocean on the other side of the Earth... :) who said: "Why would Putin be put on trial for the actions of a mob of civilians in a country where he has no authority?"
http://sled.net.ua/node/16517
http://www.segodnya.ua/regions/donetsk/pod-ilovayskom-sily-ato-zaderzhali-10-rossiyskih-desantnikov-546896.html
http://24tv.ua/home/showSingleNews.do?sili_ato_pid_novoazovskom_pidirvali_tanki_boyovikiv_i_zahopili_dvoh_soldativ_rf&objectId=478083
12 POWs (soldiers and officers of the Russian army from Russia) we captured today...
That's why he should go to the International Military Tribunal!
Thanks!


Alex

Yes, CLYDE ... Hi!
He refuses from them...
http://slon.ru/fast/russia/v-pskove-proshli-zakrytye-pokhorony-mestnykh-desantnikov-1147710.xhtml
http://www.hromadske.tv/world/u-pskovi-pokhovali-rosiiskikh-desantnikiv-----datu/
Therefore, ukrainian officer may look away to the side by 10 minutes, as his soldiers will do the job... You understand me!
Bothered this game, cat and mouse...