I decide for myself what's right or wrong in the Bible...

And you make good decisions I'm sure :)

The Bible says that "God" is infinite. God is infinite because of the concept of re-birth. In other words, God goes on for ever and ever because he keeps getting re-born over and over again, endlessly.

What came first g-d or the egg?

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There is a special reason for that "Unleavened Bread". Its made from Wheat, as you would expect!! But its very very special!!! That particular wheat has extra code in the DNA of the wheat. The extra DNA code in that wheat is the DNA code to build a human being. And that human beings is "Jesus Christ". So when the priest in Church tells you, you are eating the "Body of Christ", he is not kidding, you really are eating a piece of bread, made from wheat, with the DNA code of Jesus Christ in the DNA of the wheat that made the bread.

When did Jesus's DNA first turn up in a flatbread do you think...?

Anniet,
Do you think its funny? Do you want to make a joke out of it?

Anniet, lets get something straight here - Your in a very very tiny minority of people world wide that would try to make a joke out of the lives of billions of people that go to church and receive the sacrament of holy communion from the priest in God's house. You are trying to make a joke out of the lives of those people.

Here Anniet, read an article on a science news website that discusses the utterly massive size of the Wheat Genome.
Science Daily, November 28, 2012 - Bread wheat's large and complex genome is revealed;
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/11/121128132357.htm

Anniet, the human genome has 3.2 billion base pairs in the DNA code.
The wheat genome has 17 billion base pairs in the DNA code, you can read it in that science daily news article. So the wheat genome has about 5 times more DNA code than there is in a human being? Anniet, this is a very puzzling conundrum for genetic engineers. The 3.2 billion lines of code for a human being builds a very large and complex living creature, that is US! So scientists are just left baffled as to why something so simple as common wheat for making bread is so large and has 5 times more DNA code in its genome? To genetic engineers, this is puzzling and makes no sense? The scientists just aren't able to explain it?

Why Anniet?
The answer; "They", that is, the "God" people, have hidden stuff inside the wheat genome. They have hidden the code to build a human being inside wheat! They have hidden the code to build "The Body of Christ" inside the wheat DNA code! In other words, its right in front of your eyes, and you can't see it! But the Christian Bible tell you this, if you choose read it!

Anniet, God will have the last laugh here. You might think your funny today, but its the Christians that will have the last laugh. And Anniet, they will be laughing "at you", not with you.

John.

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There is a special reason for that "Unleavened Bread". Its made from Wheat, as you would expect!! But its very very special!!! That particular wheat has extra code in the DNA of the wheat. The extra DNA code in that wheat is the DNA code to build a human being. And that human beings is "Jesus Christ". So when the priest in Church tells you, you are eating the "Body of Christ", he is not kidding, you really are eating a piece of bread, made from wheat, with the DNA code of Jesus Christ in the DNA of the wheat that made the bread.

When did Jesus's DNA first turn up in a flatbread do you think...?

Anniet,
Do you think its funny? Do you want to make a joke out of it?

Anniet, lets get something straight here - Your in a very very tiny minority of people world wide that would try to make a joke out of the lives of billions of people that go to church and receive the sacrament of holy communion from the priest in God's house. You are trying to make a joke out of the lives of those people.

Here Anniet, read an article on a science news website that discusses the utterly massive size of the Wheat Genome.
Science Daily, November 28, 2012 - Bread wheat's large and complex genome is revealed;
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/11/121128132357.htm

Anniet, the human genome has 3.2 billion base pairs in the DNA code.
The wheat genome has 17 billion base pairs in the DNA code, you can read it in that science daily news article. So the wheat genome has about 5 times more DNA code than there is in a human being? Anniet, this is a very puzzling conundrum for genetic engineers. The 3.2 billion lines of code for a human being builds a very large and complex living creature, that is US! So scientists are just left baffled as to why something so simple as common wheat for making bread is so large and has 5 times more DNA code in its genome? To genetic engineers, this is puzzling and makes no sense? The scientists just aren't able to explain it?

Why Anniet?
The answer; "They", that is, the "God" people, have hidden stuff inside the wheat genome. They have hidden the code to build a human being inside wheat! They have hidden the code to build "The Body of Christ" inside the wheat DNA code! In other words, its right in front of your eyes, and you can't see it! But the Christian Bible tell you this, if you choose read it!

Anniet, God will have the last laugh here. You might think your funny today, but its the Christians that will have the last laugh. And Anniet, they will be laughing "at you", not with you.

John.

Guess you had that coming Annie;))) Ok, I'm gone...

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You might think your funny today, but its the Christians that will have the last laugh. And Anniet, they will be laughing "at you", not with you.

That wouldn't be very Christian.

Acts 2:21
And it shall come to pass that everyone who calls upon the name of the Yahweh shall be saved.

I was baptized a Catholic and no matter what I now believe that baptism is permanently and indelibly attached to my soul. As long as I don't commit the one impardonnable sin I will go to Purgatory when I die. IF I should find myself there you bet your reformation I will call on the name Yahweh.

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Guess you had that coming...

Does that go with my excommunication? With added excoriations?


For IT is Written!

Yea! Keep searchin'!
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Guess you had that coming...

Does that go with my excommunication? With added excoriations?


For IT is Written!

Yea! Keep searchin'!
Martin

I'm searching Martin, always:)

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... the utterly massive size of the Wheat Genome.
Science Daily, November 28, 2012 - Bread wheat's large and complex genome is revealed;
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/11/121128132357.htm

... the human genome has 3.2 billion base pairs in the DNA code.
The wheat genome has 17 billion base pairs in the DNA code...

Thanks for that, rather interesting.


Note:

Why is the Wheat Genome So Complicated?

Wheat Genetics


Very interesting that wheat can contain up to SIX copies of DNA all working alongside each other. That is quite a feat of hybridization!

What it also means is that there is an awful lot of DNA in there that is redundant or is simply not used. You can expect the multiple copies to be lost as wheat evolves or is bred further for better bread.

(Sorry, could resist stringing the puns together! :-) )


Which comes to the next conundrum...

How can you have multiple unchanging "Bibles" encoded in DNA when that DNA is constantly being chopped up and being changed?!...

Sorry, still can't see any fit. You may as well join the search in fractal imagery to find the patch of the Mandelbrot Set that looks like your house. It's in there somewhere in the numbers...

See Fractal Compression (take care not to look into the reflection in the eyes toooooo closely... ;-) )


Keep searchin',
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What it also means is that there is an awful lot of DNA in there that is redundant or is simply not used.

Martin,
Yes, that is 100% correct in the case of the Wheat Genome! The vast majority of the DNA is completely redundant! That means its not doing anything at all Martin! Don't you think that's a bit strange Martin? There 17 billion base pairs in the wheat genome, an you only need a few million base pairs in the code to grow a perfectly functioning ear of wheat! So there are 16.9 billion base pairs that are apparently just doing nothing?? Strange?? Its enough code to build 5 full living creatures, all completely different from each other, and just as complex as a human being? That is a lot of redundant code to have in an ear of wheat?

So what the hell is all that other DNA code doing in there? And a much better question Martin, how did all that code get in there in the first place?

So Martin, you at least have to be just a little bit suspicious, don't you? Even if you don't understand genetics, you can still understand why its so puzzling for the genetic engineers!

You can expect the multiple copies to be lost as wheat evolves or is bred further for better bread.

Martin,
No, you can't expect DNA code to just magically go missing? Its science, not magic! No Martin, its not going to magically "evolve" out by itself over time. You have been deceived Martin. The Evolution people have deceived you into thinking that they are presenting you with credible and plausible science. But its lies!

Martin, living things don't evolve. If you want to learn why, just ask, and I will teach you why. But if you prefer the safe bet, stick with your evolution buddies.

Which comes to the next conundrum...

How can you have multiple unchanging "Bibles" encoded in DNA when that DNA is constantly being chopped up and being changed?!...

Martin,
This "chopping up" process you mention is very very complex, and you won't learn how it works in a forum message. But I will tell you this - There is nothing random in the chopping up process Martin!!

Read this; Genetic recombination;
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_recombination

On that Wikipedia page about "Genetic recombination", that is the chopping up process, some of the information is correct, and some of the information is just dead wrong. Unfortunately only people who study genetic engineering will be able to tell the difference. Take it from me Martin, its not random!

John.

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Johnny. My apologies for such a late reply. :( Had some unexpected visitors :)

When did Jesus's DNA first turn up in a flatbread do you think...?

Anniet,
Do you think its funny? Do you want to make a joke out of it?

No. And I most certainly was not being funny. Nor was the question my own but my twin's, a very devout Baptist who found both your claim that Jesus's DNA is in wheat, and your "God people timeline thesis" not only ludicrous, but disrespectful too. Much as I love her... given some of the science she's had washed out of her brain and the nonsense it's been replaced with, I did think her comments were both judgemental and closed-minded. I will say one thing for her though... she expressed no wish to laugh "at you" for your "disrespectful beliefs" but said instead that she'd pray that God would grant you some clarity to find His correct path to salvation. I hope that goes someway to redressing any offence her words may have caused you regarding your own beliefs?

Anniet, lets get something straight here - Your in a very very tiny minority of people world wide that would try to make a joke out of the lives of billions of people that go to church and receive the sacrament of holy communion from the priest in God's house. You are trying to make a joke out of the lives of those people.

I made no joke about any sacraments given by any priests at any holy communion in any of God's houses. I made no jokes whatsoever about the lives of any people, whether they go to church or not. I asked you a question. If it had been a joke question, there would have been one of these after it --> :)))) There wasn't. What you are demonstrating is the classic response that religions have been meting out for thousands of years when faced with legitimate questioning. It did take me by surprise I must admit :( because what I've come to really enjoy about your posts is your enthusiasm to impart your belief in your beliefs :) It's really quite charming :) and given that just a few posts ago you were offering to be my teacher - and me thinking asking questions was an important part of any learning curve... well... ... :/ :(

Here Anniet, read an article on a science news website that discusses the utterly massive size of the Wheat Genome.
Science Daily, November 28, 2012 - Bread wheat's large and complex genome is revealed;
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/11/121128132357.htm

I have been aware of the article for quite some time Johhny, but thank you for the link :) In fact, all the grasses have more DNA than us humans it seems. Strange yes, but only if you forget to allow for the extra length of time they've been around on the planet.

Why Anniet?
The answer; "They", that is, the "God" people, have hidden stuff inside the wheat genome. They have hidden the code to build a human being inside wheat! They have hidden the code to build "The Body of Christ" inside the wheat DNA code! In other words, its right in front of your eyes, and you can't see it! But the Christian Bible tell you this, if you choose read it!

My point was rather why and how Jesus's DNA was to be found in flat or unleavened bread specifically and when it came to be there. That's all. If you have ever made bread yourself you'll know there is nothing special about the wheat in unleavened bread. It's all about how much time you give the dough to rise and how much yeast inhibitors you add to it.

Let me try to explain. Did you know that to make the best leavened bread you add no yeast to it at all (just give it plenty of rising time) because "wild" yeast spores are literally everywhere and get everywhere? Cook dough too soon though (no matter how much wild or cultured yeast is in it) and yes... you definitely get something that looks like it's been sat on... :/ which is precisely how unleavened bread surfaced in Judeo-Christian belief and gained its ritual, symbolic significance, not through being sat on, obviously, but when the Israelites had to make a run for it at short notice after their God's tenth plaque killed all of Egypt's first born.

To me, this would be the first point at which Jesus's DNA could have been added to the wheat genome, because before that, unleavened bread was widely consumed by, for want of a better word, pagans. So when I sought an answer to: "When did Jesus's DNA first turn up in a flatbread do you think...?" (paraphrased from your own claims Johnny :) not mine) I was hoping to determine whether my above deduction/assumption had any merit, given that I know a lot about baking bread, am familiar with the Bible, but know nothing at all about the "God people" and what they've been hiding and where they've been hiding it. It was not in any way intended to offend you or anyone else. :(

Anniet, God will have the last laugh here. You might think your funny today, but its the Christians that will have the last laugh. And Anniet, they will be laughing "at you", not with you.

John.

Yes. I've heard there are Christians positively delighted at the thought of others suffering an eternity in hell Johnny... and you :) you speak with such relish and enthusiasm... :)

So :) To end :) The above is not my preferred posting style :/ but given the speed at which you are ready to take offence :( and invoke the end of days upon my head :) when I use my usual method of communicating (with a smile :) if at all possible) and given the fact that I still have a nunber of questions I would have liked to have asked you on this specific topic :/ it's probably best I don't :) and that I also refrain from responding to all posts in your threads in future... unless you expressly ask me to do otherwise, of course :)

So :) What do you think?

Friends? :)

Late edit and possibly last post here too: Oh... I'd be the quiet one :)

What it also means is that there is an awful lot of DNA in there that is redundant or is simply not used.

Martin,
Yes, that is 100% correct in the case of the Wheat Genome! The vast majority of the DNA is completely redundant!

Nope.

That means its not doing anything at all Martin!

Not quite.

Don't you think that's a bit strange Martin?

Yep.

There 17 billion base pairs in the wheat genome, an you only need a few million base pairs in the code to grow a perfectly functioning ear of wheat! So there are 16.9 billion base pairs that are apparently just doing nothing?? Strange?? Its enough code to build 5 full living creatures, all completely different from each other, and just as complex as a human being? That is a lot of redundant code to have in an ear of wheat?

Yep.

So what the hell is all that other DNA code doing in there? And a much better question Martin, how did all that code get in there in the first place?

Hybridization. Not the most efficient way but seems to work for that creature. Quite an eye-opener for how that does work!

So Martin, you at least have to be just a little bit suspicious, don't you? Even if you don't understand genetics, you can still understand why its so puzzling for the genetic engineers!

There isn't any big puzzle to the genetic engineers other than there is a lot more material to have to sift through. It's a bit like trying to unravel an adolescents bedroom the size of the British Library. Would be much easier if it was all already labelled and categorized as is done for a library...

You can expect the multiple copies to be lost as wheat evolves or is bred further for better bread.

Martin,
No, you can't expect DNA code to just magically go missing? Its science, not magic! No Martin, its not going to magically "evolve" out by itself over time.

That looks to be happening already... No magic, just natural selection throwing out excessive rubbish.

You have been deceived Martin. The Evolution people have deceived you into thinking that they are presenting you with credible and plausible science. But its lies!

Isn't that what religion and conspiracy theories are all about?

Martin, living things don't evolve. If you want to learn why, just ask, and I will teach you why. But if you prefer the safe bet, stick with your evolution buddies.

Isn't the honest truth and reality the safest bet?

Which comes to the next conundrum...

How can you have multiple unchanging "Bibles" encoded in DNA when that DNA is constantly being chopped up and being changed?!...

Martin,
This "chopping up" process you mention is very very complex, and you won't learn how it works in a forum message. But I will tell you this - There is nothing random in the chopping up process Martin!!

Indeed so... Until you add a little thermal agitation, pollution, and the occasional cosmic ray or other energetic particle...

... the chopping up process, some of the information is correct, and some of the information is just dead wrong. Unfortunately only people who study genetic engineering will be able to tell the difference. Take it from me Martin, its not random!

Bag of salt included? Or barrel of beer?


Note that an important part of DNA is that mistakes are made and that things change. Otherwise, we literally would not be here to argue how whatever collection of old texts are somehow supposed to have not changed despite multiple rewriting and retranslation...


All very odd...

Keep searchin',
Martin


Still not excommunicated?...

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I just went back to the first post, and, the 'bible belt' found exactly what they were looking for?
Why am I not surprised?
I'm sure that any other religion could 'find' proof for their belief if they threw enough money at it.
Bogus science in my opinion, why not get their linguistics experts to ask the whales and dolphins what's going on, their 'racial memory' probably goes back further than ours
WIT site is a joke, isn't it?
http://witscience.org/
http://witscience.org/wit-clones-alaska-state-governor-sarah-palin/
(check date on second link)

Anniet,
You called holy communion "flatbread". You didn't call it "unleavened bread" and the comment was phrased in a sarcastic way;

When did Jesus's DNA first turn up in a flatbread do you think...?

Unfortunately Anniet, no matter what way I read that comment, it comes across as sarcastic.

When people go up the alter in church to receive holy communion, just before the Priest puts the bread in your mouth, the Priest doesn't say to you "Here, eat this flatbread". No, he says the sacred holy words "Body of Christ". Its not a joke, the Priest is not pulling your leg, he is not trying to be funny or sarcastic, he is telling you "God's holy truth". He is telling you that the piece of bread he is about to put in your mouth is "The Body of Christ". He is telling you that you are about to eat a part of the living flesh of Jesus Christ.

Its real Anniet, all I am doing is telling how it works. And you had better get used to it, because in just a few years time, there will be millions of people who talk just like me, they will say things just like I say them to you, and it will be very graphic, and it will be very complex, and it will be very complex science, and the world had just better get ready for a million people who talk the way I do, and say things the way I say them, and they will be just as aggressive as I am toward the atheists. And as I have said before, the Bible is a very violent book. Its all about justice!!! Its about justice and God's revenge against those who hate God's way, and God's books! Its Biblical justice, God's way, with God's laws, and everybody has a copy of the rule book, the Bible!!

Anniet, i'm very aggressive, that is my nature. I'm very aggressive toward those that attempt to mock the Holy Word of God. And there is a 6 billion man army standing behind me. The Book of Revelation is probably the most violent book in the whole Bible. It tells you exactly what is about to happen in the next few years.

Anniet, I am a Teacher of God, a Teacher of the New Revelation of God. God has asked me for my life, and I have given it to him, completely. My life belongs to God now. And I will aggressively carry out the instructions he has given me. Within just a hand full of years, there will be a million more people that will talk exactly the way I do. I am a Soldier of God, in God's Army, and I just carry out orders.

John-Paul.

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How's about this for sarcasm? :o)
http://witscience.org/wit-study-shows-least-95-homosexuals-catholic/
Oh, ANY mention of aggression is definitely NOT CHRISTIAN
It is part of Judaism though, the old testament is all Jewish and a history lesson. The NEW Testament is all there is for Christianity, following Christ means you turn the other cheek, not threaten aggression.

In a few years you'll be 'praising Allah', they are going to outnumber Christians by a substantial amount (if China doesn't take over first)
Maybe learning Mandarin wouldn't be such a bad idea?

Well John-boy, it's statements like that which are probably driving more people away from religion these days than anything else. :-0

How can you expect anyone to take you seriously when you carry on like a nutter?

But while you're chewing on the body of christ waiting for that army to turn up just keep an eye on the sky for us and let us know when it starts falling. ;-)

Cheers.

Anniet,

You called holy communion "flatbread". You didn't call it "unleavened bread" and the comment was phrased in a sarcastic way;

When did Jesus's DNA first turn up in a flatbread do you think...?

Unfortunately Anniet, no matter what way I read that comment, it comes across as sarcastic.

um... ahem... is that an invitation to respond...?

I am sorry you perceived the tone of the question other than how it was meant :( which was more thoughtfully curious than anything else.

"Flatbread" was how my sister expressed her query about your claim. I did not think it was inappropriate to repeat it in that way, given that the question was asking, if you recall - when you thought the following had been done...

the "God" people, have hidden stuff inside the wheat genome. They have hidden the code to build a human being inside wheat! They have hidden the code to build "The Body of Christ" inside the wheat DNA code

... so marking the point at which Jesus's DNA first appeared, and differentiating it from the flat/unrisen/unleavened breads (neither symbolic, nor the actual "living flesh of Jesus Christ") that were the standard beforehand.

As for where I: "called holy communion "flatbread""... I truly am baffled Johnny. If you can point to where I said that, I will most definitely retract it. My thoughts were of a time period several thousand years before Christianity was established and therefore before holy communion was observed. So speaking or even thinking in terms of it just never entered my head.

I will aggressively carry out the instructions he has given me. Within just a hand full of years, there will be a million more people that will talk exactly the way I do. I am a Soldier of God, in God's Army, and I just carry out orders.

... and then the meek shall inherit the earth? 0h John-Paul :) you're not going to convert anyone at this rate, but you could generate a fair bit of animosity from other beliefs, and I'm not talking atheists.

I am very familiar with aggressive soldiers of God... and the voice that speaks in their heads. That's why walking away from it all was the first time I knew what not feeling afraid felt like. And I'm still not afraid :) But I am truly sorry for upsetting you. :(

Well John-boy, it's statements like that which are probably driving more people away from religion these days than anything else. :-0

How can you expect anyone to take you seriously when you carry on like a nutter?

But while you're chewing on the body of christ waiting for that army to turn up just keep an eye on the sky for us and let us know when it starts falling. ;-)

Cheers.

Wiggo,
I'm not here trying to make friends, and say the right thing to the right people. I'm not trying to win people and get them back into religion. I couldn't give two hoots what science or what religion you believe, nor anyone else. I really don't care what anyone believes in.

I'm here writing out the results of a science investigation I carried out over the last 6 or 7 years. It has nothing to do with belief in anything. Its just the results of my investigation. If you believe it, great, super, i'm really thrilled. If you don't believe it, then I couldn't care less.

I'm not an academic, so I can't "publish" my results into official scientific journals. So I am just doing what I learned to do. Write it down in a public place on the internet where anyone can read it, and it can be found by people through search engines like Google and Bing.

John.

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Anniet,
Ok, lets keep it simple, let me try to answer you question;

When did Jesus's DNA first turn up in a flatbread do you think...?

Sometime before 4000 BC Anniet, the Biblical date for the creation of Adam and Eve. The extra code to build the "Body of Christ" was probably introduced into the wheat genome sometime before 4000 BC. This doesn't mean that 4000 BC is the date they put the code in there. It means it happened long before that date. I am unable to say exactly when. I just don't have that information.

But a better answer would be this; It has always been in there.

John-Paul

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Ummm, 4,000 yrs, wouldn't that really mean that wheat DNA turned up in your Jesus?
Got question for you on that, which came first, the egg or the chicken?

Ummm, 4,000 yrs, wouldn't that really mean that wheat DNA turned up in your Jesus?
Got question for you on that, which came first, the egg or the chicken?

I don't know PJ,
I give up! Tell me.

John.

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