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KLiK Send message Joined: 31 Mar 14 Posts: 1304 Credit: 22,994,597 RAC: 60 
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it was stated in a documentary (don't know if it's SuperSizeMe or Food inc.) that USA economy would collapse if people would eat less than 5000kcal per day! ;) @janneseti & no, agriculture does not emit CO2...it emits a lot of NOx, 'cause of fertilization! & actually agriculture emits clean O2, spending CO2... ;)   non-profit org. Play4Life in Zagreb, Croatia, EU ID: 1741523 ·  |
 janneseti  Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0 
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it was stated in a documentary (don't know if it's SuperSizeMe or Food inc.) that USA economy would collapse if people would eat less than 5000kcal per day! "agriculture emits clean O2, spending CO2..." Only true for plants and trees. But greenhouse gases resulting from biological processes in rice paddies that generate methane make up 10 percent of total agricultural emissions, while the burning of savannahs accounts for 5 percent. Animals for instance emits Methane. Nearly two-thirds of greenhouse gas emissions from agriculture are sourced to the livestock sector. Some suggest that we should stop eat meat because of that:( Then we have all transportations of food... Well, here some hard facts. Agriculture is the cultivation of animals, plants, fungi, and other life forms for food, fiber, biofuel, medicinal and other products used to sustain and enhance human life. FAO estimates of greenhouse gas data show that emissions from agriculture, forestry and fisheries have nearly doubled over the past fifty years and could increase an additional 30 percent by 2050, without greater efforts to reduce them. One-third of our greenhouse gas emissions come from agriculture. http://www.nature.com/news/one-third-of-our-greenhouse-gas-emissions-come-from-agriculture-1.11708 Agriculture's greenhouse gas emissions on the rise http://www.fao.org/news/story/en/item/216137/icode/ Fiat panis:) ID: 1741526 · |
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KLiK Send message Joined: 31 Mar 14 Posts: 1304 Credit: 22,994,597 RAC: 60
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we got confused, 'cause in Croatia agriculture is only meant for plant production! ;) non-profit org. Play4Life in Zagreb, Croatia, EU ID: 1741530 · |
Gary Charpentier     Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32 
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Neither the destruction of Marxism, or another economic system, will solve the basic problem of supplying enough food for 7,000,000,000+ people. Rothchild and Rockefeller depend on they always being more mouths to feed. Their business model depends upon unchecked growth. They can not survive a contraction in population. China just learned that lesson when their command economy ventured to put a toe into the capitalism pot. Now the one child policy is gone! 
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Julie  Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 34053 Credit: 18,883,157 RAC: 18 
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32
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You misspelled Rotschild, Gary. Rothschild is also a possibility. Just following KLiK, and I take it if we are down to spelling flames ... we are in basic agreement.
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janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0
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Beside the agricultural sector on 'Greenhouse' effects there is also the energy production sector effects. Here it's looks better. Renewable energy accounted for almost half of all new power plants in 2014, representing a “clear sign that an energy transition is underwayâ€, according to the International Energy Agency (IEA). Green energy is now the second-largest generator of electricity in the world, after coal, and is set to overtake the dirtiest fossil fuel in the early 2030s, said the IEA’s World Energy Outlook 2015 report, published on Tuesday. http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/nov/10/renewable-energy-made-up-half-of-worlds-new-power-plants-in-2014-iea ID: 1741622 · |
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KLiK Send message Joined: 31 Mar 14 Posts: 1304 Credit: 22,994,597 RAC: 60
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Um.. The future is not going to be "Burn more fossil fuels". That is turning into the past. well, those group support that thinking through: - planned parenting - abortions - pill intake & development - food infertility intake etc. there are some books on that matter...so don't get offended, but idea about less population is well funded by those groups! ;) non-profit org. Play4Life in Zagreb, Croatia, EU ID: 1741719 · |
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janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0
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Neither the destruction of Marxism, or another economic system, will solve the basic problem of supplying enough food for 7,000,000,000+ people. All economic system can solve the problem. Both by manage food handling in a more efficient way and controlling population growth. Don’t Panic – The Facts About Population The world might not be as bad as you might believe! http://www.gapminder.org/videos/dont-panic-the-facts-about-population/ ID: 1741746 · |
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KLiK Send message Joined: 31 Mar 14 Posts: 1304 Credit: 22,994,597 RAC: 60
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Neither the destruction of Marxism, or another economic system, will solve the basic problem of supplying enough food for 7,000,000,000+ people. guys, we don't need population growth...there's enough food per capita: http://www.scidev.net/global/food-security/feature/sustainable-food-production-facts-and-figures.html http://www.foodsecurity.ac.uk/issue/facts.html only distribution & prices is the problem... ;) non-profit org. Play4Life in Zagreb, Croatia, EU ID: 1742484 · |
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Gary Charpentier Send message Joined: 25 Dec 00 Posts: 30651 Credit: 53,134,872 RAC: 32
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only distribution & prices is the problem... ;) I thought slash and burn was the problem?
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KLiK Send message Joined: 31 Mar 14 Posts: 1304 Credit: 22,994,597 RAC: 60
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well, give the statements given before... as well as developing a technology in agriculture in developing countries... we'll have enough food till y2050...at least those are the projections! ;) non-profit org. Play4Life in Zagreb, Croatia, EU ID: 1743064 · |
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KLiK Send message Joined: 31 Mar 14 Posts: 1304 Credit: 22,994,597 RAC: 60
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well, give the statements given before... again, making some statements without any aguments you are! read this thing you should: http://www.ifpri.org/publication/food-security-world-natural-resource-scarcity-role-agricultural-technologies wiser you'll become! ;) non-profit org. Play4Life in Zagreb, Croatia, EU ID: 1743559 · |
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KLiK Send message Joined: 31 Mar 14 Posts: 1304 Credit: 22,994,597 RAC: 60
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well, give the statements given before... well, unlike some - I do have a life...but as a normal part of community, I do respond when asked...just not "promptly"! ;) so, please be patient...I'll respond! also, here's a response: again, you're not reading the links I've posted...those are scientists there, which came to conclusion about enough food for everyone by 2050 - but there's going to be still more hungry people more than now...but less in percentage, as we populate the Earth even more! & I do know that agriculture will have hits from this years El Nino...but also from a temp increase, as a dry-out areas increase... but to fight that we can improve irrigation, which is in low implementation in Croatia & should be more developed! also, increase in CO2 will make our plants grow more...& the nature might flourish, if we keep irrigation up to the level?! so techniques to fight climate changes are available...& I do know that will increase a price of production of agriculture products...but, as the scientists said in that link: we have enough food - just not good distribution! :/ maybe you can answer me: why are you so interested about agriculture in climate change? do you work in agriculture industry? ;) non-profit org. Play4Life in Zagreb, Croatia, EU ID: 1743821 · |
Darth Beaver  Send message Joined: 20 Aug 99 Posts: 6728 Credit: 21,443,075 RAC: 3 
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Me thinks klik has not been ready my posts in the other Climate thread Clyde buy the time he realises it will be to late for them 
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KWSN - MajorKong  Send message Joined: 5 Jan 00 Posts: 2892 Credit: 1,499,890 RAC: 0
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KLiK, I see that CLYDE has quoted one of my posts.... The question is NOT 'can we feed everyone?'. Of course we can. You yourself have put forward the figure 'til 2050', at least. The question, in light of Anthropogenic Climate Change is 'Should we'? maybe you can answer me: why are you so interested about agriculture in climate change? do you work in agriculture industry? ;) It is not so much of an issue of 'working in agriculture' as it is 'Anthropogenic Climate Change' in general. The question is How much should we do to avoid Anthropogenic Climate Change? Also, CO2 emissions is far from the only problem produced by agriculture. One other problem of note is the hypoxic 'dead zones' in the oceans. http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2015/080415-gulf-of-mexico-dead-zone-above-average.html No.... We are trashing the climate... We are trashing the environment... Just to feed >7 Billion of us... The question is not 'can we'... the question is 'should we'... ID: 1744011 · |
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janneseti Send message Joined: 14 Oct 09 Posts: 14106 Credit: 655,366 RAC: 0
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It has been observed that the numbers of dead zones are almost doubling in every decade since 1960. So far, NASA has identified 415 dead zones, and the numbers are expected to increase significantly in the coming years. The Baltic sea is home to the largest dead zone in the world, while the northern Gulf of Mexico harbors the second-largest dead zone. http://www.buzzle.com/articles/what-causes-dead-zones-in-oceans.html The level of dissolved oxygen is too low to sustain marine life and warmer oceans makes it even worse. We are trashing the climate... We are trashing the environment... Just to feed >7 Billion of us... Actually we now produce food for almost 9 billion. Food for 2 billion people are wasted... ID: 1744014 · |
W-K 666  Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19065 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 
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The question is not 'can we'... the question is 'should we'... +1 The problem for the US and most of Europe is that population growth is mainly caused by recent immigrants. Manchester University - How has ethnic diversity grown 1991-2001-2011? PEW Research - Minorities Account for Nearly All U.S. Population Growth Which concerns most people BUT NOT politicians, because politicians and the way they have constructed the economy, means they need population growth, to pay for pensions and health care etc. ID: 1744027 · |
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KLiK Send message Joined: 31 Mar 14 Posts: 1304 Credit: 22,994,597 RAC: 60
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KLiK's newest Ideological and Illogical (both the same) attack against this Blasphemer, to his Secular Theology. really, calling me names...that's what you do, instead of answering questions?! that is your response?! LoL :D Me thinks klik has not been ready my posts in the other Climate thread Clyde buy the time he realises it will be to late for them for them?! really...as a member of EU, I know we lead you Australians by far in ecology of the system... & you calling me to be "late for" emissions control... LoL :D KLiK, & the Deep Horizon didn't help, right?! ;) well, you guys in US are on a good way...but still need to go far to cathc us EU... still to depending on "climate air control" in homes, consuming too much power - which comes mostly from coal in US...also lots of you guys are using "non-efficient gas guzzling cars", which needs to change in a way of European or Japanese cars to make some more progress... then, also nutrition...consuming of more than 5000kcal per day is just too much...you need to move from "bigger is better" to "efficient nutrition & lean body mass"... but hey, you made your progress with Obama...but after you sabotaged Kyoto protocol in 1997...& also Copenhagen 2009! :/ but you come some senses in 2013...better late, then never! almost 15y after we developed & change a face of nations & habits in all industries! link: https://www.whitehouse.gov/climate-change we'll see how this Paris 2015 meeting will go?! :/ non-profit org. Play4Life in Zagreb, Croatia, EU ID: 1744214 · |
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KLiK Send message Joined: 31 Mar 14 Posts: 1304 Credit: 22,994,597 RAC: 60
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It has been observed that the numbers of dead zones are almost doubling in every decade since 1960. So far, NASA has identified 415 dead zones, and the numbers are expected to increase significantly in the coming years. thank you! ;) The question is not 'can we'... the question is 'should we'... we've got some Syrians here for export...'cause of a "not so wise" German counselor! LoL :D after all, you got that part of the World pretty destabilized all by yourself! :D ;) non-profit org. Play4Life in Zagreb, Croatia, EU ID: 1744221 · |
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