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Message 1674353 - Posted: 6 May 2015, 10:14:36 UTC - in response to Message 1674284.  
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The sun is almost completely blank.
http://vencoreweather.com/2015/04/30/845-am-the-sun-is-now-virtually-blank-during-the-weakest-solar-cycle-in-more-than-a-century/
Finally, if history is a guide, it is safe to say that weak solar activity for a prolonged period of time can have a cooling impact on global temperatures in the troposphere which is the bottom-most layer of Earth’s atmosphere - and where we all live.
Interesting.

But that only means we have perhaps 10 more years with some cooler climate.
After that the problem with CO2 emissions are even worse if we don't do anything now.
The Maunder Minimum is well known to us Scandinavians.
And René Descartes...

What is the Science, or World Climate History, regarding the 10 Year ascertain?

Solar cycles are natural and quite easy to predict.
Climate though has so many factors to consider to make a prediction.
It's like to predict when then next superwave comes.
Ship in storm 90ft waves.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3Zqglz4_dc
According to earlier science there where no such big waves as 90 ft high.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UG6FhK96dBg
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Message 1674378 - Posted: 6 May 2015, 15:02:41 UTC - in response to Message 1674375.  
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This was NOT about the 'Solar Cycles' you mentioned. 11 years, etc.
http://vencoreweather.com/2015/04/30/845-am-the-sun-is-now-virtually-blank-during-the-weakest-solar-cycle-in-more-than-a-century/
The first period is known as the “Maunder Minimum”, named after the solar astronomer Edward Maunder, and it lasted from around 1645 to 1715. The second one is referred to as the “Dalton Minimum”, named for the English meteorologist John Dalton, and it lasted from about 1790 to 1830 (below). Both of these historical periods coincided with colder-than-normal global temperatures in an era now referred to by many scientists as the “Little Ice Age”
Will this make a difference?
If not - why not?

I think I did mention Solar Cycles that is about 15 to 20 years long.
But talked about the cooling cycle that is half the time.

And in the Viking Age the climate was about 5 degrees more than now so perhaps there is another cycle per 1000 years.
Who knows?

“Little Ice Age”. Natura hoc debuit uni.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/March_across_the_Belts#Crossing
Swedish troops crossing the ice over to Denmark in 1658.
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Message 1674384 - Posted: 6 May 2015, 15:35:56 UTC - in response to Message 1674382.  

This was NOT about the 'Solar Cycles' you mentioned. 11 years, etc.
http://vencoreweather.com/2015/04/30/845-am-the-sun-is-now-virtually-blank-during-the-weakest-solar-cycle-in-more-than-a-century/
The first period is known as the “Maunder Minimum”, named after the solar astronomer Edward Maunder, and it lasted from around 1645 to 1715. The second one is referred to as the “Dalton Minimum”, named for the English meteorologist John Dalton, and it lasted from about 1790 to 1830 (below). Both of these historical periods coincided with colder-than-normal global temperatures in an era now referred to by many scientists as the “Little Ice Age”
Will this make a difference?
If not - why not?

I think I did mention Solar Cycles that is about 15 to 20 years long.
But talked about the cooling cycle that is half the time.
And in the Viking Age the climate was about 5 degrees more than now so perhaps there is another cycle per 1000 years.
Who knows?

Correct.
Therefore: Pronouncements by Fanatics (we know everything - and you are stupid, corrupt, and/or evil). Whether they are Scientists, or not - must be met with intelligent skepticism.

I don't think Scientist had said that they know the answer.
Only fanatics (read economists).
But that the CO2 emission are very bad for our climate is a fact and we have to deal with it NOW.
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Message 1675130 - Posted: 8 May 2015, 11:17:27 UTC - in response to Message 1675094.  

Carbon dioxide (CO2) is an important heat-trapping (greenhouse) gas, which is released through human activities such as deforestation and burning fossil fuels, as well as natural processes such as respiration and volcanic eruptions.

Are burning fossil fuels more dangerous then burning fuels from other sources?
Any combustion of organic material forming CO2 and water.
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Message 1675167 - Posted: 8 May 2015, 14:03:02 UTC - in response to Message 1674691.  

They said it was the first month that the entire globe broke 400ppm, reaching levels that haven't been seen for about two million years.

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-32625429

Not good.


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However the article , what you have to understand is if the sun is going into or is in a Mulder Mundeane a cooling period this is very dangerous as it may have the effect of giving us a false cents that's there is no problem .

When the current cooling stops and we don't reduce the amount of Co2 . Currently increasing at approx. 2.5 ppm per year how hot will it get asuming the sun is the key to the heating of the Earth.!
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Message 1675172 - Posted: 8 May 2015, 14:22:10 UTC - in response to Message 1675167.  
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However the article , what you have to understand is if the sun is going into or is in a Mulder Mundeane a cooling period this is very dangerous as it may have the effect of giving us a false cents that's there is no problem.

Thats very true Glenn.
And as I have said Before, high CO2 levels also affect Life on our only small planet. Not only the Global Warming is a threat...
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Message 1675176 - Posted: 8 May 2015, 14:41:37 UTC - in response to Message 1675173.  

Clyde I don't dought the Sun's heating the Earth is the main reason there has been a slowdown in the temps ,

The current Cycle has had a double peek but is winding back lower you can see for yourself here at the bottom , the solar charts .

http://www.swpc.noaa.gov/communities/space-weather-enthusiasts

The charts go back to 2000

The Co2 at 600 is the danger level . It was last that high 6 - 8 million years ago .

Man did not climb out off of the trees until ?
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Message 1676927 - Posted: 9 May 2015, 5:38:11 UTC - in response to Message 1675130.  

Carbon dioxide (CO2) is an important heat-trapping (greenhouse) gas, which is released through human activities such as deforestation and burning fossil fuels, as well as natural processes such as respiration and volcanic eruptions.

Are burning fossil fuels more dangerous then burning fuels from other sources?
Any combustion of organic material forming CO2 and water.

any combustion, including our measure of Life is releasing CO2...so that goes for sugar & fats in us or animals (image all the people in the World, especially India & China which take more than 2/7 of the Worlds population), for all hard burning CH materials (paper, wood, coal, etc.), all burning CH liquids (fuel, oils, etc.), all burning CH gases (propane, butane, eter, etc.)...

on top of that CH4 (metane) is a big problem...so every time you (or any cow) farts it's as 80x more polutant than breading...

then you have CFC for sprays & deodorants...etc.


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Message 1677658 - Posted: 10 May 2015, 13:12:59 UTC - in response to Message 1676927.  
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then you have CFC for sprays & deodorants...etc.


CFC's have been outlawed in all country's since about the mid 80's or early 90's and are not doing any damage to the ozone , how ever it will take another 50 years to repair it completely .

All aerosol cans are to use non cfc gasses and all so refrigerant that don't harm the ozone

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chlorofluorocarbon

including our measure of Life is releasing CO2...so that goes for sugar & fats in us or animals


Yes you are right , so we are in a lot of troubble seeing as the developed world is now very over weight .

When all them Fat people start to diet and lose the 50 kg they need to lose there will be a sudden spike in the Co2 seeing as that is what happens to the FAT , it turns into Co2
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Message 1677663 - Posted: 10 May 2015, 13:25:10 UTC - in response to Message 1677041.  
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Stop eating, have everyone at the level of Somalia, reduce Human Population by 5 - 6 Billion?
There's the rub.

Scary thought.
But one thing that could be done right now.
Stop using cars so much.
We have legs to walk.
Here where I live it seems to be more cars then humans.
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Message 1677685 - Posted: 10 May 2015, 14:25:06 UTC - in response to Message 1677681.  
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Depends where you live in the world.
Here in Florida. You can't walk to anything.
In most places: Food shopping, and anything else, is miles away from where you live.

Exactly. And why? Everybody has a car.
In LA they have adressed the problem and it's so easy to change the infrastructurs in cities.
Instead of making food shopping places huge, spread them.
The other day I read that a father here in my Town couldnt find his kid who was in the car on a big parking lot. Police and police helicopters had to help him with the search.

Geez.
People are dying of obesity for not walking.
Many suffers from skeleton problem for not walking.

Sigh....
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Message 1677691 - Posted: 10 May 2015, 14:36:08 UTC - in response to Message 1677687.  

well that's what you get for everything being Bigger and Better in the states , everyone needs a car to get to the huge wal mart stores miles away from the high street so everyone gets FAT as there to far away to walk .
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Message 1677692 - Posted: 10 May 2015, 14:37:49 UTC - in response to Message 1677687.  

Depends where you live in the world.
Here in Florida. You can't walk to anything.
In most places: Food shopping, and anything else, is miles away from where you live.

Exactly. And why? Everybody has a car.
In LA they have adressed the problem and it's so easy to change the infrastructurs in cities.
Instead of making food shopping places huge, spread them.
The other day I read that a father here in my Town couldnt find his kid who was in the car on a big parking lot. Police and police helicopters had to help him with the search.

Build a completely new infrastructure in a, let's say. Continental Country (USA)?
Would take many decades, and more money than anyone has.
Now what?

No, Clyde:)
But there is no economy in doing so.
Well, Economists Think so anyway...
I dont trust Economists and clergy for one minute!
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Message 1677696 - Posted: 10 May 2015, 14:41:54 UTC - in response to Message 1677691.  
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well that's what you get for everything being Bigger and Better in the states , everyone needs a car to get to the huge wal mart stores miles away from the high street so everyone gets FAT as there to far away to walk .

It's both sad and funny Glenn:)
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Message 1677715 - Posted: 10 May 2015, 15:06:05 UTC - in response to Message 1677685.  

In LA they have adressed the problem and it's so easy to change the infrastructurs in cities.

???? LA?! You mean the city that ripped out all its public transit?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Railway
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Electric
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_Metropolitan_Transit_Authority
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Southern_California_Rapid_Transit_District#Animosity
The operators of the green line that doesn't go to a major destination, but just passes it by, LAX.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_County_Metropolitan_Transportation_Authority
It isn't all happy.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bus_Riders_Union_%28Los_Angeles%29

The entire system is not designed to get people out of their cars and off the freeway. If it was it wouldn't operate on the routes it does. It operates to take the poor non-car owning nannies and house cleaners from the ghetto to the suburbs and back. It does not take the car owners from their houses to their work places and stores. But if you don't live here to know the demographics and routes ...
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Message 1677740 - Posted: 10 May 2015, 16:01:35 UTC - in response to Message 1677715.  
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In LA they have adressed the problem and it's so easy to change the infrastructurs in cities.

???? LA?! You mean the city that ripped out all its public transit?
The entire system is not designed to get people out of their cars and off the freeway. If it was it wouldn't operate on the routes it does. It operates to take the poor non-car owning nannies and house cleaners from the ghetto to the suburbs and back. It does not take the car owners from their houses to their work places and stores. But if you don't live here to know the demographics and routes ...

I saw this in a docu from LA some years ago and most likely the project have been cancelled because lack of interrest and no money to make...
And most of the problem is getting to work!
One hour is common. And in Stockholm as well...
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Message 1677771 - Posted: 10 May 2015, 16:43:51 UTC - in response to Message 1677740.  

In LA they have adressed the problem and it's so easy to change the infrastructurs in cities.

???? LA?! You mean the city that ripped out all its public transit?
The entire system is not designed to get people out of their cars and off the freeway. If it was it wouldn't operate on the routes it does. It operates to take the poor non-car owning nannies and house cleaners from the ghetto to the suburbs and back. It does not take the car owners from their houses to their work places and stores. But if you don't live here to know the demographics and routes ...

I saw this in a docu from LA some years ago and most likely the project have been cancelled because lack of interrest and no money to make...
And most of the problem is getting to work!
One hour is common. And in Stockholm as well...

Oh they produce grand documentaries to get votes for bond measures to feather-bed their own pocketbooks. What gets built is very different than what they claim. Just normal politics.
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Message 1678127 - Posted: 11 May 2015, 6:26:06 UTC - in response to Message 1677696.  

well that's what you get for everything being Bigger and Better in the states , everyone needs a car to get to the huge wal mart stores miles away from the high street so everyone gets FAT as there to far away to walk .

It's both sad and funny Glenn:)


The sad part is that everybody is doing the same thing 45% of the people over weight in most developed country's !!........
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well that's what you get for everything being Bigger and Better in the states , everyone needs a car to get to the huge wal mart stores miles away from the high street so everyone gets FAT as there to far away to walk .
It's both sad and funny Glenn:)

The sad part is that everybody is doing the same thing 45% of the people over weight in most developed country's !!........

And some get help to bring food to big peoples so called feeders.
My GF met Panamas defense minister a couple of times.
He had many sisters that was feeders.
For snacks he used to eat a couple of chickens!
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