Hi guys! I've been working on a sci-fi movie script for 22 years and had to study through 27 different scientific fields to answer my questions as the world of my project had to be based on predictive sciences. Anyhow, one of the main hurdle I came across was to find an active way to find advance Alien species out there.

For instance, before looking for advance Life, we must first define our own specie. In Anthropology, our specie has been one that has arisen from trading ideas. In this respect, we are a trade based specie. Otherwise, we would still be inside our cave, trying to start a fire and not living in skyscrapers like 1/5 of the world civilized population.

Knowing this, other advance forms would have scale up that traits of theirs to the scale of the stars.

So if I make a scenario based on this premised that other such intelligent life's have arisen on other worlds, we can easily expect the arising of a trade based intelligence like ours. Knowing this, we can extrapolate that it might be easier to detect trading network activities from a space-ready Alien species than finding a possible planet they could live on.
Assuming that the Universe can’t be controlled (like Life on Earth), it is believable that all space-ready species will seek trading partners, mostly because space is deadly, and even more so as you master higher energy forms, like antimatter or other exotic sources. Because of that danger, and because of the time scale of events taking place at galactic levels (that can outspan the existence of an entire specie evolution tree on a planet), the pressure to find other more advance trading partners with exchanging technologies and other space knowledge’s will be extremely high.

For this, we can therefore expect that those before us would have noticed that early needs for a specie first venturing towards space. With this in mind, we could expect that they will make themselves see by those new space ready civilizations, as to gain more trading partners connecting to their trading networks…
If so, it is logical to think that the earliest space-ready civilization has spread a while ago already, considering the vast age of our Universe. Therefore, knowing this we can assume that the first ones, may have solved more problems that we will have to face, and that they would have developed means to travel fast, and far. So to achieve this, they would have to find a way to travel across the Universe. But knowing that a lot of energy is needed to accomplish quick travel across space, they would need to establish vast energy sources along their networks, since, in space, pure, usable energy is extremely scarce and it gets even more so as distance increase. So to become efficient they would have to find ways to travel, communicates and trade the fastest way possible (allowed by the laws of our current known Universe). If so, then the following hypothesis might represent the answer found by the first ones to trade, to be seen from a far and to organize, power and travel across the cosmos.

Our intelligence trait being based on trades in order to find new ways to survive and adapt to different and ever changing environments, we have become what we are today, a global trading race.

So taking into account that other intelligences exists (since we have intelligent animals here but who hardly trade ideas spanning over generations to increase their odds of survival over time), we must look at space using this prismatic view. Because how an advance trade based intelligence would manage to travel and trade with other advanced trade based life in the Universe? Current knowledge’s in sciences suggest that they might use worm holes, but not any kinds of wormholes. Using this, and hypothesizing that the first ones were so advance that they could setup a network of wormholes; they will need the other trade based intelligence to easily find those too, as to reach them.

For a trading network to always works, they will need a worm hole to remain permanently open. To do this efficiently, we can surmise that they will need a very dense object acting as a paper weight on the space-time fabric to keep the worm hole as stretch as possible to create a geodetic fabric so distorted that widening a crack in it would be made easier (using exotic energy).
After finding their paper weight, they will also need to easily locate each nodes of the network from a far, so they will a Galactic light house that will also show the orientation of the wormhole.
Also taking into account that they will also travel throughout the worm hole to their final destination, they will require an identification method to know which wormholes bring them where.
Knowing all those requirements, we can now try to figure out what celestial objects could fit all those roles at once for the creation of a Universal trading networks. It happens that Pulsars are hyper dense celestial objects that unleash astronomical energy radio sources, so powerful that they can act as beacons of light in the Universe, and so precise in their pulse rate, that our atomic clocks seems outdated. Besides each of them have their own unique x-ray pulse frequency.
So it might be possible of detecting such Pulsar frequency trough a geodetic crack or a fully open worm hole. Helping them to infer their destination location(s) either from inside the wormhole, after having detected the destination pulsar with the help of a planet based radio telescope. Finally, in order to open a worm hole, they will need a powerful energy source (when returning at least), and the Pulsar have been known to show power fluctuations that cannot be explained by their believed natural composition…

So in essence, what I am trying to say here, is that Pulsar's that do not have gas clouds (many do not have), might happen to be wormholes gateways that paves a paths across several advance alien trade based civilizations.

So far, we have detected about 2000 Pulsars, but a fraction only with an explosion cloud, which may indicates that trade based intelligence could amount to the hundreds. A number quite realistic considering the astronomical number of planets existing in our Galaxy and the potential of Life arising on a fraction of them.
If we keep looking for planets or systems around the closest Pulsars, we may either find evidences of trades (anomalous energetic spikes fluctuations observes in some of them, might show just that, since they still remain unexplained), or find inhabited planets in the closest solar systems surrounding them.

All in all, this hypothesis makes senses for me, since it realistic to think that only space ready civilizations will really understand that new environment and see the evidences that others have pave the way before them. Creating astronomical highways connecting those who are ready to trade among the stars.

Welcome to the boards Sentrynox :)

A most fascinating hypothesis! I don't know enough about the scientific basis of the idea you're putting forward, but I do like the sound of it. :)

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Unless your novel ignores how time passes in space as most sci-fi stories do it's hard to imagine how interstellar commerce would function. For instance an earth businessman travelling to, say, Alpha Centauri to sell or buy goods would spend most of ten years(his time) on the trip, assuming a means of travel close to the speed of light. But upon arriving back on earth over a thousand years will have passed. With all the changes that would have occurred he might arrive home with worthless trash.

So unless there is a way to travel the vast distances between stars without that time penalty I think interstellar commerce is not to likely to be found.

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Bob DeWoody

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I was assuming he is trying to keep the story line within the bounds of known and provable physics. If he wants to go with replicators and teleportation then most any scenario would work.

I started thinking last night after I read the original post about who would be actually travelling between the stars. First I think it would be someone only planning a one way trip. With no plan to return home such beings would either be exploring just for the sake of their own edification or they would be seeking a new home after exhausting the resources of their planet of origin.

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My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

Time in space can be altered by binding space around. Besides, spaceships aren't the most effective way to travel through space and time...
In my script I did use something else, never really used in movies. Its like a replicator beam. It copies your states of atoms comprise in your body and mind, transfer them into a q-bits laser that will guide a photomanipulator beam on the receiving end.
The theory is that the body will be reconstruct from atomic materials found on the recipient location (been on another planet or into the past). Then the original mind will be lock in quantum entanglement. The original will be put to sleep and awakes in his replicate body.

Those tech exists separately. Photomanipulator lasers have been tested, q-bits beam or laser storing data also. The most difficult part would be to scan, store and entangle every atoms together...

Anyways, in palaeontology, you see a lot of species who gain a larger lifespan according to the size of the environment it lives in. Nothing says, that once Human came to populate space, we won't gain an immortal lifespan. A lifespan necessary to understand that new environment and evolve within it...

I was assuming he is trying to keep the story line within the bounds of known and provable physics. If he wants to go with replicators and teleportation then most any scenario would work.

I started thinking last night after I read the original post about who would be actually travelling between the stars. First I think it would be someone only planning a one way trip. With no plan to return home such beings would either be exploring just for the sake of their own edification or they would be seeking a new home after exhausting the resources of their planet of origin.

Actually its more complicated than that. To understand Alien motivations we can only study Life motivations on Earth... Because we can't anthropomorphize our perception and project it to a Life that isn't Human in Nature.

To this end, we need to see Life as it is. Darwin had an idea, but it wasn't completed. Since the beginning of Life on Earth, she had only 2 paths: Evolution and Extinction. You either evolve or you go extinct. Since 99.9% of all Life that ever appear on Earth is now extinct, we can surmise that those who made it, made it through blind luck.
Humans on the other hand, have a wider range of controls on our surroundings, and therefore we are kind of co-creators of our own evolution, contrary to all the other species before us. But that doesn't mean we don't need to evolve again... It just means that we must co-create our evolutionary path.

Other advance life, will likely fall under the same reality. And the only way to really evolve, is to "create" Life elsewhere to settle and continue to evolve.
Darwin claimed that evolution was about the survival of fittest. It might be true for animals, but not for mankind. Our specie is the only one endow with an unlimited creative potentials that is only equal to its destructive one.
Therefore any intelligent Alien life out there, should have understood that if you destroy your own planet, it means you must create a new one.
We can't only destroy... Its our unique responsibility to work towards that equilibrium between destruction and creation, and this throughout the entire Universe... Our way can't end on Earth, our species potential has proven that it belong to a larger scale. The Universal scale.

Well you lost me! Hope your script is a great success.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

Well you lost me! Hope your script is a great success.
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Sorry if so... Anyhow, that movie is about the arising of Life third path (first and second we're evolution and extinction)... But I had to throw that Alien trade based ideas about how to find them, from this story, in order to deliver my theme... I didn't want to go to waste :)

Therefore any intelligent Alien life out there, should have understood that if you destroy your own planet, it means you must create a new one.
We can't only destroy... Its our unique responsibility to work towards that equilibrium between destruction and creation, and this throughout the entire Universe... Our way can't end on Earth, our species potential has proven that it belong to a larger scale. The Universal scale.

Hi Sentrynox :)

Can you imagine the trail of destruction we'd leave behind us if we were able to create new planets, or indeed travel to new ones? I'd like to think a TRULY intelligent species would not destroy it's own planet, but would only need to move on once their sun started to die, or to further their knowledge of the universe. I also think any alien life would have to be in pretty dire straits if they wanted to have any dealings with us. :) I wish them luck... or great speed... or an enormous yellow clamp :)

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Welcome Sentrynox to the SETI Forum!

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+2 and +1 to anniet's post!

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I was assuming he is trying to keep the story line within the bounds of known and provable physics. If he wants to go with replicators and teleportation then most any scenario would work.

I started thinking last night after I read the original post about who would be actually travelling between the stars. First I think it would be someone only planning a one way trip. With no plan to return home such beings would either be exploring just for the sake of their own edification or they would be seeking a new home after exhausting the resources of their planet of origin.

No.

The fastest way from point A to B is not a linear straight line but to bring point A and B together by bending space and time using an intense gravitational field bringing point A and B together. The more intense the gravitational field the greater the distortion of space and time and the shorter the distance between points A and B.

Now to generate an intense gravitational field you have to amplify gravity A(Atomic level) not gravity B. Now accessing gravity A not possible using any earth element naturally occurring however refer to newly synthesized element-115.

Once you can access the gravity A wave you can amplify it just like we can currently amplify any electromagnetic wave. Once you amplify the gravity A wave you focus it on the destination to cause the space time distortion required for space travel. This gravity A wave is so powerful that the only naturally occurring source of gravity that would cause space and time to distort this much would be a black hole. Which brings you back to our original question how do you generate an intense gravitational field? You must have access to an element that is heavy enough for the gravity A wave to extend pass the atom then you can access and amplify it for space time distortion.

This is the most basic, fastest way of interstellar space travel. Unlike conventional by bending space time you also won't have to worry about time dilation. Anyways you get the idea...

I was assuming he is trying to keep the story line within the bounds of known and provable physics. If he wants to go with replicators and teleportation then most any scenario would work.

I started thinking last night after I read the original post about who would be actually travelling between the stars. First I think it would be someone only planning a one way trip. With no plan to return home such beings would either be exploring just for the sake of their own edification or they would be seeking a new home after exhausting the resources of their planet of origin.

No.

The fastest way from point A to B is not a linear straight line but to bring point A and B together by bending space and time using an intense gravitational field bringing point A and B together. The more intense the gravitational field the greater the distortion of space and time and the shorter the distance between points A and B.

Now to generate an intense gravitational field you have to amplify gravity A(Atomic level) not gravity B. Now accessing gravity A not possible using any earth element naturally occurring however refer to newly synthesized element-115.

Once you can access the gravity A wave you can amplify it just like we can currently amplify any electromagnetic wave. Once you amplify the gravity A wave you focus it on the destination to cause the space time distortion required for space travel. This gravity A wave is so powerful that the only naturally occurring source of gravity that would cause space and time to distort this much would be a black hole. Which brings you back to our original question how do you generate an intense gravitational field? You must have access to an element that is heavy enough for the gravity A wave to extend pass the atom then you can access and amplify it for space time distortion.

This is the most basic, fastest way of interstellar space travel. Unlike conventional by bending space time you also won't have to worry about time dilation. Anyways you get the idea...

I get the idea that such means of travel is purely theoretical and beyond any known means of accomplishing to the point that it is in the realm of science fiction. And that no one knows for sure what effect such means of transportation would have on time.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.

I was assuming he is trying to keep the story line within the bounds of known and provable physics. If he wants to go with replicators and teleportation then most any scenario would work.

I started thinking last night after I read the original post about who would be actually travelling between the stars. First I think it would be someone only planning a one way trip. With no plan to return home such beings would either be exploring just for the sake of their own edification or they would be seeking a new home after exhausting the resources of their planet of origin.

No.

The fastest way from point A to B is not a linear straight line but to bring point A and B together by bending space and time using an intense gravitational field bringing point A and B together. The more intense the gravitational field the greater the distortion of space and time and the shorter the distance between points A and B.

Now to generate an intense gravitational field you have to amplify gravity A(Atomic level) not gravity B. Now accessing gravity A not possible using any earth element naturally occurring however refer to newly synthesized element-115.

Once you can access the gravity A wave you can amplify it just like we can currently amplify any electromagnetic wave. Once you amplify the gravity A wave you focus it on the destination to cause the space time distortion required for space travel. This gravity A wave is so powerful that the only naturally occurring source of gravity that would cause space and time to distort this much would be a black hole. Which brings you back to our original question how do you generate an intense gravitational field? You must have access to an element that is heavy enough for the gravity A wave to extend pass the atom then you can access and amplify it for space time distortion.

This is the most basic, fastest way of interstellar space travel. Unlike conventional by bending space time you also won't have to worry about time dilation. Anyways you get the idea...

I get the idea that such means of travel is purely theoretical and beyond any known means of accomplishing to the point that it is in the realm of science fiction. And that no one knows for sure what effect such means of transportation would have on time.

"Theoretical" ?

Well lets take an element heavier and more stable element then the naturally occurring ones we have on earth and used a synthesized element called element-115 created using particle accelerators. The power source is a reactor that uses element 115 as its fuel. In this reactor element 115 is used as a target and is bombarded with protons in a small particle accelerator so that when the proton plugs into the nucleus of an atom of element-115 it increases its atomic number and because an atom of element-116 which decays in just a faction of a second what element-116 releases(radiates) when it decays is anti matter. When the anti-matter reacts with any matter in our universe it converts to energy at 100% efficiency verse nuclear fission(less then 1%). The anti-matter is released into a tune tube and reacts with the matter that surrounds it that's then directed towards a gaseous matter target at the end of the tube the matter and anti matter collide and annihilate converting into energy causing the heat from this reaction is converted into electrical energy at a near 100% efficient thermoelectric generator(converts heat direction into electrical energy) much like the ones we have in on earth and in space satellites but no where near as efficient. So basically all were doing is using element-115 as a fuel and using a total annihilation reaction to provide the heat which is then converted into energy making it a compact light weight efficient on board power source.

Assuming you put all this together, you could have a vehicle of interstellar travel with the power of the sun to achieve the power levels required for an intense gravitational field enough to propel you easily to between solar systems. All of this in the size not much bigger then a bus.

If I'm wrong or incorrect about anything I have said or anyone needs any further clarification please speak up.

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If we bring point A and point B together by altering the local gravity, what happens to all the stuff which lies between those 2 points (e.g. planets I might be living on)?

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Well lets take an element heavier and more stable element then the naturally occurring ones we have on earth and used a synthesized element called element-115 created using particle accelerators. The power source is a reactor that uses element 115 as its fuel. In this reactor element 115 is used as a target and is bombarded with protons in a small particle accelerator so that when the proton plugs into the nucleus of an atom of element-115 it increases its atomic number and because an atom of element-116 which decays in just a faction of a second what element-116 releases(radiates) when it decays is anti matter. When the anti-matter reacts with any matter in our universe it converts to energy at 100% efficiency verse nuclear fission(less then 1%). The anti-matter is released into a tune tube and reacts with the matter that surrounds it that's then directed towards a gaseous matter target at the end of the tube the matter and anti matter collide and annihilate converting into energy causing the heat from this reaction is converted into electrical energy at a near 100% efficient thermoelectric generator(converts heat direction into electrical energy) much like the ones we have in on earth and in space satellites but no where near as efficient. So basically all were doing is using element-115 as a fuel and using a total annihilation reaction to provide the heat which is then converted into energy making it a compact light weight efficient on board power source.

Assuming you put all this together, you could have a vehicle of interstellar travel with the power of the sun to achieve the power levels required for an intense gravitational field enough to propel you easily to between solar systems. All of this in the size not much bigger then a bus.

That's only stupid nonsense. To start with, the most stable isotope of element 115 has a half-life of 0.2 seconds.

Well lets take an element heavier and more stable element then the naturally occurring ones we have on earth and used a synthesized element called element-115 created using particle accelerators. The power source is a reactor that uses element 115 as its fuel. In this reactor element 115 is used as a target and is bombarded with protons in a small particle accelerator so that when the proton plugs into the nucleus of an atom of element-115 it increases its atomic number and because an atom of element-116 which decays in just a faction of a second what element-116 releases(radiates) when it decays is anti matter. When the anti-matter reacts with any matter in our universe it converts to energy at 100% efficiency verse nuclear fission(less then 1%). The anti-matter is released into a tune tube and reacts with the matter that surrounds it that's then directed towards a gaseous matter target at the end of the tube the matter and anti matter collide and annihilate converting into energy causing the heat from this reaction is converted into electrical energy at a near 100% efficient thermoelectric generator(converts heat direction into electrical energy) much like the ones we have in on earth and in space satellites but no where near as efficient. So basically all were doing is using element-115 as a fuel and using a total annihilation reaction to provide the heat which is then converted into energy making it a compact light weight efficient on board power source.

Assuming you put all this together, you could have a vehicle of interstellar travel with the power of the sun to achieve the power levels required for an intense gravitational field enough to propel you easily to between solar systems. All of this in the size not much bigger then a bus.

That's only stupid nonsense. To start with, the most stable isotope of element 115 has a half-life of 0.2 seconds.

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Bob DeWoody

My motto: Never do today what you can put off until tomorrow as it may not be required. This no longer applies in light of current events.