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Message 1531725 - Posted: 25 Jun 2014, 0:53:15 UTC - in response to Message 1531715.  

Some truth in that Bob, but one of the main reasons for any accident investigation is to understand what happened, so we can try to prevent it from repeating.
The insurers have a big stake in what happened. Mechanical or human is the first question then who did what is the second.

The flight that crashed in San Francisco has been attributed to pilot, four of them, error with a recommendation of control redesign. The pilots, all four of them, didn't know the auto pilot couldn't land the plane and left it on too long. Of course Boeing is being sued because they didn't lock out auto pilot for landing; that is the redisigne suggested.

Two of the five deaths were because the passengers weren't wearing seat belts.
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Message 1531732 - Posted: 25 Jun 2014, 1:56:37 UTC - in response to Message 1531725.  
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The reports I have seen were that there were 3 piolts and 3 killed with 2 of the 3 killed were wo seat belts, but who believes the evening news?
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Message 1532320 - Posted: 26 Jun 2014, 13:52:07 UTC

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"The new search is due to commence in August and is expected to be completed within a year, Australian Transport Safety Bureau (ATSB) chief Martin Dolan confirmed."
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Message 1532494 - Posted: 26 Jun 2014, 18:44:34 UTC - in response to Message 1532320.  

Missing Malaysia Airlines Plane Was Flying On Autopilot, Australian Official Says

SYDNEY (AP) — Investigators believe the missing Malaysia Airlines plane flew on autopilot for hours before crashing into a remote part of the Indian Ocean, Australian officials said Thursday as they announced another shift in the search area for the jet.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/26/malaysia-airlines-missing-plane_n_5532140.html
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Message 1532499 - Posted: 26 Jun 2014, 19:05:33 UTC

Face it. They don't have a clue. Every week a total shift in search area and a change in the way the plane was being flown. Now maybe gas fumes from the supposed battery fire overcame the crew and the plane crashed when it ran out of fuel?
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Message 1532511 - Posted: 26 Jun 2014, 20:07:18 UTC - in response to Message 1532499.  

Face it. They don't have a clue. Every week a total shift in search area and a change in the way the plane was being flown. Now maybe gas fumes from the supposed battery fire overcame the crew and the plane crashed when it ran out of fuel?
It is being kept quiet who was doing the pinging that drew them away form the original site. Why??
This is the original search area they are going back to; the Roaring Forties are not the easiest place to look.

The question is still why not one molecule of wreckage. An oil slick was tested at the molecular level, that is how closely they are looking yet NOTHING.
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Message 1533923 - Posted: 30 Jun 2014, 8:00:29 UTC - in response to Message 1532511.  

Face it. They don't have a clue. Every week a total shift in search area and a change in the way the plane was being flown. Now maybe gas fumes from the supposed battery fire overcame the crew and the plane crashed when it ran out of fuel?
It is being kept quiet who was doing the pinging that drew them away form the original site. Why??
This is the original search area they are going back to; the Roaring Forties are not the easiest place to look.

The question is still why not one molecule of wreckage. An oil slick was tested at the molecular level, that is how closely they are looking yet NOTHING.



So strange, it's like the plane doesn't even exist... Maybe it's a big cover up story, who knows...
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Message 1534248 - Posted: 1 Jul 2014, 1:48:44 UTC - in response to Message 1533923.  

So strange, it's like the plane doesn't even exist... Maybe it's a big cover up story, who knows...
There is no doubt that some governments were/are not telling everything they know; couple this with incompetence and we have the greatest mystery in aviation history.

The only positive is mapping an unknown ocean floor; we know more about Mars than the deep ocean.
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Message 1534251 - Posted: 1 Jul 2014, 2:12:05 UTC - in response to Message 1534248.  

The Search for Malaysian Airlines MH370. Unanswered Questions. Wreck of Unidentified Aircraft in Bay of Bengal? Crucial Information Withheld

The staff at GeoResonance are not prone to conspiracy theories, we all deal with facts and science. It appears some of the authorities involved in the search have not been completely transparent with all of the facts. The MH370 tragedy has created more world interest than any event since 9/11, under those circumstances 100% transparency is a must. There are many unanswered questions.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-search-for-malaysian-airlines-mh370-wreck-of-unidentified-aircraft-in-bay-of-bengal-crucial-information-withheld/5389187
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Message 1534261 - Posted: 1 Jul 2014, 2:38:08 UTC - in response to Message 1534251.  

The staff at GeoResonance are not prone to conspiracy theories,
http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-search-for-malaysian-airlines-mh370-wreck-of-unidentified-aircraft-in-bay-of-bengal-crucial-information-withheld/5389187

The families and friends of those on board MH370 are dismayed that Inmarsat admitted the raw data released was only enough to prove their original model. Everyone was expecting all of the raw data to be released which would have allowed alternative models to be created.
It's easy to say what should be done but quite another to do it. Who is going to pay to followup every crackpot lead? Inmarsat is a private company and anything they provide free is a gift, don't look a gift horse in the mouth. I'm happy the US of A is 1/2 a world away.
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Message 1534374 - Posted: 1 Jul 2014, 8:02:53 UTC

You are being lied to 24/7 mostly by authority and those you most trust.

You are being lied to by way of vagaries, omissions, and outright falsehoods either carelessly or deliberately.

Perhaps the Australian Government is certain of the southern arc because the aircraft WAS detected by Jindalee (I've wondered why we haven't heard anything from them as this is certainly within their purview) but perhaps no one wants to admit that due to capability sensitivity.

Mostly though I wonder why we are so certain that the aircraft splashed when there is no detection of emergency signals designed to activate on contact with water. This is what bothers me most.

If anyone has a theory on that I'd love to hear it. Then I can be more open to a theory that the aircraft is indeed in the Southern Ocean.

In the meantime, I remain convinced that the plane has been very cleverly stolen and was landed safely at location unknown.
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Message 1534428 - Posted: 1 Jul 2014, 10:21:13 UTC - in response to Message 1534374.  

Perhaps the Australian Government is certain of the southern arc because the aircraft WAS detected by Jindalee (I've wondered why we haven't heard anything from them as this is certainly within their purview) but perhaps no one wants to admit that due to capability sensitivity.

I thought of that too and there is great coverage in that area but why would they have looked where they did and are going to if they know something different? OZ is paying for this so I doubt they would wast time and effort. Many are covering their butts for some reason and they are the Asian countries IMHO.

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Message 1534438 - Posted: 1 Jul 2014, 12:37:48 UTC - in response to Message 1534428.  

Batter Up that image is great because it shows conservative estimate of range.

Seems to indicate that if the plane flew on the southern path that it would have been detected.

Seems if it wasn't detected in the areas being searched then the search will bear no fruit.

Seems if the plane splashed in the ocean there would have been debris washed ashore and distress signals triggered.

In short, the Inmarsat details don't seem to correlate with the reality.
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Message 1534441 - Posted: 1 Jul 2014, 12:47:41 UTC

My theory is that it simply had an explosion, intentional or accidental, and plunged steeply into the sea with little or no debris field. Achems razor, 99 times out of a 100 the simplest explanation is the correct one.
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Message 1534443 - Posted: 1 Jul 2014, 12:54:49 UTC

Gotta go with Bob on this one. There are large chunks of the Indian Ocean not covered by any radar. Those areas are far enough away from any coast line that any surviving wreckage would probably break up and sink before reaching the coast. Heck, there might be bits of wreckage still floating out there, unseen by human eyes. Only a small portion of the Indian Ocean has been searched in detail so far.

The ELT probably was activated, the black box pingers probably were activated, and all ran out of batteries before any human got close enough to detect their signals.

Any deserted island big enough to land this airplane has been covered by satellite imaging several times since the accident. One government might hide their images, but you can't hide all of the images all of the time. This plane is gone, most likely on the floor of the ocean. The big question, why, remains.

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Message 1534444 - Posted: 1 Jul 2014, 12:56:26 UTC - in response to Message 1534438.  

In a program last week it said the Inmarsat data all along indicated the probable area of the crash was south of the area that was searched. It was diverted from the probable area because pings were detected, then lost, in the area that was searched.

The next search is going to be in the area the Inmarsat data indicates it went down.

Horizon - Where is Flight MH370?
Youtube - Where is Flight MH370?
Malaysian MH370: Inmarsat confident on crash 'hotspot'
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Message 1535281 - Posted: 3 Jul 2014, 6:37:04 UTC

Must be about time for the alien tractor beam theory...........
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Message 1536998 - Posted: 6 Jul 2014, 22:40:40 UTC - in response to Message 1535281.  

Malaysia to send more equipment for flight MH370 search in Indian Ocean

Malaysia will send more equipment to the southern Indian Ocean to join the search for flight MH370 which went missing four months ago.

Defence Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said yesterday that a Malaysian navy ship equipped with a multi-beam echo sounder - a device to map the ocean floor - would set sail on August 4 for the deep-sea search zone far off western Australia.

http://www.scmp.com/news/asia/article/1548168/malaysia-send-more-equipment-flight-mh370-search-indian-ocean

It's about time Malaysia, is helping.
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Message 1537421 - Posted: 7 Jul 2014, 18:32:38 UTC

Another conspiracy theory. Personally I think this is fantasy but my younger brother who spent a good bit of his Navy career in long range patrol planes (the P-3C Orion) and still communicates with some of his former comrades believes the following scenario to be true based on what he says is evidence that has been uncovered. The plane, under control of either the pilot or copilot climbed to over 40,000 ft, where pressurization to the passenger cabin was reduced to the point where the passengers all died due to lack of oxygen. The plane by that point had diverted from it's planned flight path. Somewhere along it's path it crossed the path of a Cathay Pacific airliner in route to the middle east where the pilot skillfully matched the CP plane's course and disabled it's own transponders. Flying just below and behind the CP plane careful not to trigger it's collision avoidance system it followed it to near it's destination where the Malaysian flight diverted to a clandestine airfield where it was immediately parked in a hanger and is being modified for a future terrorist attack.

It seems far fetched to me but I put it out there for you to pick apart.
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Message 1537449 - Posted: 7 Jul 2014, 19:14:18 UTC - in response to Message 1537421.  

It seems far fetched to me but I put it out there for you to pick apart.
Loss of oxygen, fire or intentional, is most likely involved but following another plane would have been imposable.

Batter Up explained it all on March 24, 2014.

The most likely scenario, to me, is there was a fire below deck that knocked out the transponders and whatever else. In an emergency pilots first aviate then navigate then communicate. The plane made a turn to the nearest airport, most likely punched into the auto pilot as they are per programed with the closets airports depending where the plane is. The plane will now fly until it runs out of fuel if the pilots were over come by smoke or knocked out by exploding batteries in the fire.

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