Full shutdown? Don't think so. Additional "essential" services will shut down however money will still continue to flow in, so it can be spent; of course it will have to be balanced on a cash basis.

OBW have you figured out about how QE enters into this?

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Well, I have just stopped buying gas for my car on the recommendation of the Obama administration.
I hope it shall keep running to get me back and forth to my job, as the government thinks everything shall keep running in their ignorance.

I just hope I don't get sufficiently frustrated enough to try to run it up state with what little fumes it has left and try to crash the gate to get a refill from those who have no nozzle.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

Well, I have just stopped buying gas for my car on the recommendation of the Obama administration.
I hope it shall keep running to get me back and forth to my job, as the government thinks everything shall keep running in their ignorance.

I just hope I don't get sufficiently frustrated enough to try to run it up state with what little fumes it has left and try to crash the gate to get a refill from those who have no nozzle.

Mark you need a car that can run on masses amounts of hot air, Not gasoline:)

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Well, I have just stopped buying gas for my car on the recommendation of the Obama administration.
I hope it shall keep running to get me back and forth to my job, as the government thinks everything shall keep running in their ignorance.

I just hope I don't get sufficiently frustrated enough to try to run it up state with what little fumes it has left and try to crash the gate to get a refill from those who have no nozzle.

Mark you need a car that can run on masses amounts of hot air, Not gasoline:)

Shit, Obama seems to have gone far on nothing more than hot air. Rather noxious hot air, at that.

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Politics getting in the way of Science again.
US scientists boycott Nasa conference over China ban

Nasa is facing an extraordinary backlash from US researchers after it emerged that the space agency has banned Chinese scientists, including those working at US institutions, from a conference on grounds of national security.

Nasa officials rejected applications from Chinese nationals who hoped to attend the meeting at the agency's Ames research centre in California next month citing a law, passed in March, which prohibits anyone from China setting foot in a Nasa building.

The law is part of a broad and aggressive move initiated by congressman Frank Wolf, chair of the House appropriations committee, which has jurisdiction over Nasa. It aims to restrict the foreign nationals' access to Nasa facilities, ostensibly to counter espionage.

Geoff Marcy, an astronomy professor at the University of California, Berkeley, who has been tipped to win a Nobel prize for his pioneering work on exoplanets, or planets outside the solar system, called the ban "completely shameful and unethical".

In an email sent to the conference organisers, Marcy said: "In good conscience, I cannot attend a meeting that discriminates in this way. The meeting is about planets located trillions of miles away, with no national security implications," he wrote.

"It is completely unethical for the United States of America to exclude certain countries from pure science research," Marcy told the Guardian. "It's an ethical breach that is unacceptable. You have to draw the line."

I'm not sure that similar political actions couldn't take place elsewhere as well.

... Key quote: "This is the 12th shutdown since 1981." Perhaps you recall civilization collapsing in ruins on those 12 occasions. I missed it myself.

I lived through all of them, while working in various high tech / high dollar global industries. My only personal recollection of any ill effects of any US government shut down was in the late 1970s, when I was not able to visit the zoo...

And what of those not in the "high tech / high dollar" industry who have been thrown out on unpaid "furlough"?

What of the various NASA scientists and engineers similarly thrown out for the time being?...

Just for the NASA example, the planets continue in their orbits regardless. All the time wasting can mean multi-year projects get cancelled due to those planets continuing to race ahead too far ahead to be met... For just one example...


Perhaps it is not only the rotundas who are too far removed from reality. Or do they just don't care other than for their own hot air and fat pockets?...


Only in the USA?

Certainly no way to run a country.
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And what of those not in the "high tech / high dollar" industry who have been thrown out on unpaid "furlough"?

What of the various NASA scientists and engineers similarly thrown out for the time being?...

Try to check some facts before speaking. Those furloughed will get paid, eventually. They will still buy new cars and new shoes, eventually. The economy pauses, then picks up the slack, and then carries on. Just like it has a dozen or more times before.

Just for the NASA example, the planets continue in their orbits regardless. All the time wasting can mean multi-year projects get cancelled due to those planets continuing to race ahead too far ahead to be met... For just one example...

So, the planets can carry on without the US government, unlike the ISS? The planets will be back, and in the mean time there are other planets that can be studied. Just like after the last dozen shut downs.

Certainly no way to run a country.
Martin

I fully agree. The sad part is that under the US 2 party system the voter is left with no easy way to express their feelings about all this. They get to pick this bunch of idiots, largely responsible for the current mess, or that bunch of idiots, also largely responsible for the current mess.

A cynic might point out that the general turmoil in public discourse that has resulted from all this has conveniently distracted the voter from the fact that neither party has any workable ideas on how to solve the US debt problem. When a temporary compromise solution is arrived at, everyone will feel that the crisis has been solved, and then forget about the growing debt for a while. This allows both parties to appear to be competent when in fact they are both totally clueless.

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A cynic might point out that the general turmoil in public discourse that has resulted from all this has conveniently distracted the voter from the fact that neither party has any workable ideas on how to solve the US debt problem. When a temporary compromise solution is arrived at, everyone will feel that the crisis has been solved, and then forget about the growing debt for a while. This allows both parties to appear to be competent when in fact they are both totally clueless.

It also allows each party to grab power for a short while and foist their pet projects upon the country even though they only have about 45% backing. This because they have disgusted so many into not voting that if they try often enough they can eventually get 50% to say yes on a given day.

The solution is to require all legislation to pass with super majorities. This will require it to be well thought out and popular, a compromise from the beginning. Yes, even budgets! However the 45% projects of the last several decades will have to go away. Something neither party is willing to do as it will make them unpopular with their extremist fringe elements and that is where the money comes from.

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NASA to launch Mars orbiter, government shutdown or not

Pentagon workers ordered back to jobs

Smoke and mirrors. nothing to see here people, please move along...

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NASA to launch Mars orbiter, government shutdown or not

Pentagon workers ordered back to jobs

Smoke and mirrors. nothing to see here people, please move along...

Meanwhile:


US shutdown is starting to hit business...

... On Friday, the US defence contractor Lockheed Martin said it would put 3,000 workers on unpaid leave. The US government closed non-essential operations on Tuesday after Congress failed to agree a new budget...

... the defence giant said this number would rise if the shutdown continued.

"I'm disappointed that we must take these actions and we continue to encourage our lawmakers to come together to pass a funding bill that will end this shutdown,'' Marillyn Hewson, Lockheed's chief executive and president, said in a statement. "We hope that Congress and the Administration are able to resolve this situation as soon as possible," she added.

The announcement followed United Technologies' decision to temporarily lay off 2,000 employees.

The company, which makes Blackhawk helicopters, said some manufacturing had been halted because there were no government inspectors working to sign off products...


One "Law" and fat paycheck for some, no pay and layoffs for others?...

ALL those in the Rotunda should donate ALL of their pay for this period, including the period leading up to this stupidity, to fund the various charities helping out those real people outside the rotunda worst affected.

Will that happen?

Guess not. I hope the press pick up on that aspect.


Only in the USA!
Martin

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Example of the control in Russia

Russia to monitor 'all communications' at Winter Olympics in Sochi

Investigation uncovers FSB surveillance system – branded 'Prism on steroids' – to listen to all athletes and visitors

Athletes and spectators attending the Winter Olympics in Sochi in February will face some of the most invasive and systematic spying and surveillance in the history of the Games, documents shared with the Guardian show.

Russia's powerful FSB security service plans to ensure that no communication by competitors or spectators goes unmonitored during the event, according to a dossier compiled by a team of Russian investigative journalists looking into preparations for the 2014 Games.

In a ceremony on Red Square on Sunday afternoon, the president, Vladimir Putin, held the Olympic flame aloft and sent it on its epic journey around the country, saying Russia and its people had always been imbued with the qualities of "openness and friendship", making Sochi the perfect destination for the Olympics.

NASA to launch Mars orbiter, government shutdown or not

Pentagon workers ordered back to jobs

Smoke and mirrors. nothing to see here people, please move along...

Meanwhile:


US shutdown is starting to hit business...

... On Friday, the US defence contractor Lockheed Martin said it would put 3,000 workers on unpaid leave. The US government closed non-essential operations on Tuesday after Congress failed to agree a new budget...

... the defence giant said this number would rise if the shutdown continued.

"I'm disappointed that we must take these actions and we continue to encourage our lawmakers to come together to pass a funding bill that will end this shutdown,'' Marillyn Hewson, Lockheed's chief executive and president, said in a statement. "We hope that Congress and the Administration are able to resolve this situation as soon as possible," she added.

The announcement followed United Technologies' decision to temporarily lay off 2,000 employees.

The company, which makes Blackhawk helicopters, said some manufacturing had been halted because there were no government inspectors working to sign off products...


One "Law" and fat paycheck for some, no pay and layoffs for others?...

ALL those in the Rotunda should donate ALL of their pay for this period, including the period leading up to this stupidity, to fund the various charities helping out those real people outside the rotunda worst affected.

Will that happen?

Guess not. I hope the press pick up on that aspect.


Only in the USA!
Martin

Martin I can only hope they do that. They will not.
The press right now is is ass kissing the politicians. They screw the normal citizens over just as bad as the crooks we elect.

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ALL those in the Rotunda should donate ALL of their pay for this period, including the period leading up to this stupidity, to fund the various charities helping out those real people outside the rotunda worst affected.

Of course they will ... and that charity will be their 501(c)4 reelection campaign!

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In stark contrast to the Rotunda fiasco and corruption:


Higgs boson scientists win Nobel prize in physics

Two scientists have won the Nobel prize in physics for their work on the theory of the Higgs boson. Peter Higgs, from the UK, and Francois Englert from Belgium, shared the prize.

In the 1960s they were among several physicists who proposed a mechanism to explain why the most basic building blocks of the Universe have mass...


The NASA probe keeping tabs on our turbulent Sun

Brett Sapper has the unique responsibility of controlling Nasa's eye on the Sun.

From a modest office in the agency's Goddard Space Center...

... Researchers hope this massive amount of data will help them forecast the effects of our turbulent star's behaviour on Earth. Intense solar activity can knock out power grids, GPS navigations and radio communications...



Science at it's best, despite the surround silliness of the too far removed politics throwing them out onto the streets...


All on and in our only one planet,
Martin

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Meanwhile, politics at its worst:


Obama: Republicans using 'extortion' on debt limit

US President Obama has said he is willing to hold budget talks with Republicans, but not until they agree to lift "threats" against the economy.

Mr Obama said they were committing "extortion" by demanding policy concessions in return for raising the US debt limit and reopening government...


All in our only one world,
Martin

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Who is doing the extortion?
http://nbcpolitics.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/10/08/20871044-boehner-gop-wont-allow-unconditional-surrender-to-obama?lite

"The president's position that ... we're not going to sit down and talk to you until you surrender is just not sustainable," Boehner said on Capitol Hill. "It's not our system of government."

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considering Boehner doesn't have the votes to pass his agenda, he should consider, idunno, something political like a compromise. Otherwise, he'll continue to waste tax payers time in perpetuity until he creates something everyone can agree on.

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Maybe I'm being too simple here, but ...

If these two guys keep phoning each other, and if their lower level guys keep phoning each other, how come they keep saying they are "not negotiating". Are they just discussing the weather, or maybe sports, when they phone each other?

"Hey Barak, you catch that game last night?"

"Yeah John, what a bummer."

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