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Message 1362136 - Posted: 28 Apr 2013, 14:16:51 UTC

I hate to say it , But , I'm outta here probably untill some time in july , unless some miracle happens.
I have had at least 3 BSOD's this morning , and I hope none of the WU's error out. I have about 1.5 Hrs work of WU's left. Then I shut down.

It will be at least july before I can get parts to fix this PC.

I will start with a Brand new Sata 3 HD , if that doesn't work , then some new faster Ram , if that doesn't work then , PSU , MB , DVD , or what ever it takes to get this thing fixed.

It Will NOT Beat ME... LOL
Just my wallet... LOL
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Message 1362141 - Posted: 28 Apr 2013, 14:24:16 UTC - in response to Message 1362136.

Sorry to hear you had no joy . I take it reinstall no work then ? maybe you can het lucky and some richy rich person will thow out a perfectly good machine and you can cannibalise it like I have . Got a good g31 gigabyte m/b only 7 days ago and it's the 1 I put the old core 2 duo in .Alas I gotta buy a new power pack tomorrow so I can give the 1 I got back to a friend

Anyway till you return good luck and buy time for me to go bed 12.30pm here night Floyd
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Message 1362150 - Posted: 28 Apr 2013, 15:03:33 UTC
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Would a used 160Gb Seagate 7200 Sata HD to experiment with help you at all?
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Message 1362161 - Posted: 28 Apr 2013, 15:25:14 UTC - in response to Message 1362150.

Would a used 160Gb Seagate 7200 Sata HD to experiment with help you at all?
Kitties haz.....

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I don't know... I have a 200 Gig WD sata 2 hd . I can't get the OS installed on it with this MB for some reason , had the bios set to IDE and all that , Just wouldn't work...I checked the HD with WD's diagnostic program ,WinDLG 1.24, It checked OK.

I'm just disgusted , until I can get a sata 3 drive and reinstall the OS ,on it ( or try to anyway ) I won't know if it's just the MB at fault.

http://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/M5A97_R20/
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Message 1362164 - Posted: 28 Apr 2013, 15:30:19 UTC - in response to Message 1362161.

Would a used 160Gb Seagate 7200 Sata HD to experiment with help you at all?
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I don't know... I have a 200 Gig WD sata 2 hd . I can't get the OS installed on it with this MB for some reason , had the bios set to IDE and all that , Just wouldn't work...I checked the HD with WD's diagnostic program ,WinDLG 1.24, It checked OK.

I'm just disgusted , until I can get a sata 3 drive and reinstall the OS ,on it ( or try to anyway ) I won't know if it's just the MB at fault.

http://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards/M5A97_R20/

I feel your pain, man. Hardware can be a cruel master....LOL.

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Message 1362166 - Posted: 28 Apr 2013, 15:37:08 UTC

What O/S are you attempting to reinstall?
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Message 1362167 - Posted: 28 Apr 2013, 15:41:03 UTC - in response to Message 1362166.

What O/S are you attempting to reinstall?



Win 7 Pro 64 bit
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Message 1362183 - Posted: 28 Apr 2013, 16:04:11 UTC - in response to Message 1362167.
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OK, then try this....

Win 98 Startup disk

Burn the iso to disk, have computer bootup from CD/DVD rom drive.

Delete all partitions on disk then create new partition & format. remove disk, reboot with installation disk.

Have had that problem several times with XP/Vista/Win 7. When MS O/S gets corrupted, it either has a missing boot manager or ntlkernel file corrupted which prevents a new installation.
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Message 1362231 - Posted: 28 Apr 2013, 17:48:36 UTC

Since you said you're using a WD drive, I just pop the DLG CD in and instead of checking the drive for problems, write zeroes to it. It's one of the options on there. You don't have to do the full thing, just do a quick/short one, where it does the first and last million sectors. That's plenty enough to wipe out partitioning and MFT/boot stuff.

If that still doesn't do it, then I would move on to memtest86. You might just have some bad RAM causing problems. If you get the same addresses constantly, then you have bad RAM. If you get lots of random bad addresses, you have a power issue either for RAM, chipset, or CPU itself.

I have an old Socket A board that was like that. It went through so much 24/7 100% loaded use that I had to increase the voltages to everything a notch at a time in order for the health page to show that the correct voltages were being read. RAM was maxed at 2.9v to show 2.6 like it was supposed to. vcore was set to 1.7 to get it to read 1.65 like it was supposed to. Chipset was increased from 1.5 to 1.7 to sort out the random address errors. Runs great now.

Also on your health page in BIOS, check and see that 3.3, 5, and 12v are all +/- 5% where they should be. I had a PSU two years ago on my old 2p Opteron setup that was only doing 3.1, 4.75, and 11.6v. Replaced it with another old and used one and everything was spot on where it should be.

Power issues cause lots of weird problems, so check the reported voltages first. That will probably save you a lot of headache.
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Message 1362291 - Posted: 28 Apr 2013, 20:28:50 UTC - in response to Message 1362183.

OK, then try this....

Win 98 Startup disk

Burn the iso to disk, have computer bootup from CD/DVD rom drive.

Delete all partitions on disk then create new partition & format. remove disk, reboot with installation disk.

Have had that problem several times with XP/Vista/Win 7. When MS O/S gets corrupted, it either has a missing boot manager or ntlkernel file corrupted which prevents a new installation.


could I do the same thing with a win xp pro disk ?
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Message 1362293 - Posted: 28 Apr 2013, 20:36:25 UTC - in response to Message 1362291.
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Yes. I don't know why, but sometimes MS sucks! I get this on a regular basis, if not on my systems, on customers.

No matter what I tried, I either got no installation at all or it gets so far then freezes.

Got that tip off a tech forum several years ago & whenever it happens since then I use the startup disk.

Every time the installation disk works after being "treated" by Win 98 :)

Edit: -

Sorry, I should've also mentioned that by using the startup disk, it will see an NTFS partition as non-dos....delete that, create new partition & format.
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Message 1362294 - Posted: 28 Apr 2013, 20:47:42 UTC - in response to Message 1362293.

Yes. I don't know why, but sometimes MS sucks! I get this on a regular basis, if not on my systems, on customers.

No matter what I tried, I either got no installation at all or it gets so far then freezes.

Got that tip off a tech forum several years ago & whenever it happens since then I use the startup disk.

Every time the installation disk works after being "treated" by Win 98 :)

Edit: -

Sorry, I should've also mentioned that by using the startup disk, it will see an NTFS partition as non-dos....delete that, create new partition & format.


I mean can I use an XP startup disk instead of a 98 startup disk , I have a XP USB startup program.
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Message 1362300 - Posted: 28 Apr 2013, 21:12:17 UTC - in response to Message 1362294.

With my experiences so far, no, it'll only continue the problem. It's best to just totally wipe out all references to NTFS partitions & XP won't do that.
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Message 1362315 - Posted: 28 Apr 2013, 22:41:54 UTC

Floyd and Sirus your both right , I had to put my xp disc in run the boot loader just to delete all the partions when I redid the system the other day .
I made the mistake of connecting the old disc and the blank disc tried loading 7-64 and nada I then disconnected the old drive ran xp quit it after deleteing the partion on the BLANK disc and then I could load win 7
However Sirus win 98se doesn't always read large drives theses days there to big and it doesn't always work I've tried so I use my xp Johnny as it boots from dvd and has the boot loader not all xp version had a boot loader remember the first time you had to load it with FLOPPY DISC 6 of them
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Message 1362317 - Posted: 28 Apr 2013, 22:54:21 UTC

I had to use the boot loader from xp every freaking time I wanted to reload a system with a drive that already got another Microsoft op like 2000 or vista or xp freaking annoying


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Message 1362321 - Posted: 28 Apr 2013, 22:58:25 UTC - in response to Message 1362315.

Floyd did say it was a 200gig drive & so far, I've had no issues up to 750gig. Haven't had it happen on main workstation since installing a 1tb drive.

Should it happen, I'll test it out.
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Message 1362323 - Posted: 28 Apr 2013, 23:01:19 UTC
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Ok , Maybe some good news for a change...
I used my oem XP cd from this old intel PC i got and installed XP on the old WD drive , Just couldn't use the code to validate, NOW... Maybe I can get the win 7 cd to install on the wd drive . If that works then maybe I can get a clean install of win 7 pro 64 bit and MAYBE fix these Blasted problems !

(EDIT) Nope , Got a bsod while expanding windows files.
Page_Fault_in_Nonpaged_Area
Stop code: 0x00000050 (0xFFFFF880037D1188 ,0x0000000000000000 , 0Xfffff8000D16A561 , 0X0000000000000000)

I guess It will Be the 98 trick and see if that will work.
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Message 1362330 - Posted: 28 Apr 2013, 23:18:43 UTC - in response to Message 1362321.

Some PC's that I've upgraded from XP to Win7 I've had to disable some onboard controllers 1st before I could get Win7 to load.

Try disabling things like floppy controller, USB controllers (early USB 3.0 seems to be a big factor here), wi-fi controllers, firewire, etc.

After the install these can be turned back on and Win7 will load them up.

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Message 1362334 - Posted: 28 Apr 2013, 23:32:21 UTC - in response to Message 1362323.

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Stop code: 0x00000050 (0xFFFFF880037D1188 ,0x0000000000000000 , 0Xfffff8000D16A561 , 0X0000000000000000)

Floyd your ram is stuffed that's what that one means
loading windows always tells you as I said whant to test ya ram just load windows

your prob is solved
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Message 1362336 - Posted: 28 Apr 2013, 23:39:19 UTC - in response to Message 1362334.

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Stop code: 0x00000050 (0xFFFFF880037D1188 ,0x0000000000000000 , 0Xfffff8000D16A561 , 0X0000000000000000)

Floyd your ram is stuffed that's what that one means
loading windows always tells you as I said whant to test ya ram just load windows

your prob is solved



LOL... OK... If I buy some new ram... Then If That doesn't fix the problem...Would you be so Kind as to reimburse me that amount so I can put it toward a New Sata 3 HD..... ;-))) ( hehehehehe )
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