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Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
She said: "It's something I've been talking about with my opposite numbers - interior ministers in other countries within the European Union - for some time now. "There is a growing concern not just here in the UK, but elsewhere too, about the abuse of free movement, about the way in which people can move freely across Europe, sometimes for access to benefits." Oh my giddy aunt, I've cracked me ribs hitting the deck with too much laughter, where's me damned pills? It definitely looks like the Wally Woofer is a dedicated Europhile..... "The City of London would grind to a halt overnight." What a load of cobblers |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
"The City of London would grind to a halt overnight." Oh, you think that the European capital of global financial institutions would last very long if they could only work with British people? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
"The City of London would grind to a halt overnight." Research the city of London then re-ask that question....... .....your starter for 10........ Where was Brussels when the City of London built up its reputation? hmm, let's see, recovering from WWII perhaps? |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Where was Brussels when the City of London built up its reputation? What, in the 80's? The Belgians might have some trouble getting their government to do stuff, but I'm quite sure that by the time Thatcher came into power Brussels was fully recovered from the war. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Where was Brussels when the City of London built up its reputation? Which 80's? Who needs Brussels? |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Read your own link, 1986, that's when London started to become the financial capital of Europe. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
The question was.... "Where was Brussels while the city of London built up its reputation?" I did not state Europe, I referred to the City of London. As its history shows, it did not need Brussels. The EU only enriched it, so why does it need Brussels? |
Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 4344 Credit: 3,313,107 RAC: 0 |
Britain is not a European refugee camp, ROFLSO!!!! Brilliant quote Chris... The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Britain is not a European refugee camp, ROLMFAO Damn where the hell are me damned pills? An excellent +2. |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
The UK knows full well that Eastern Europeans take up service sector jobs that British people see as beneath them, but the tide of immigration has risen too high to be sustainable in it's present and expected form by next January. Britain is not a European refugee camp, and the Lib Dems are not being helpful in that respect. For someone who is constantly ripping on the Daily Mail, you are certainly buying the nonsense they and their cohorts write about immigration. Britain is not an European refugee camp and it will never be. The amount of immigrants that are coming in are not nearly enough to make it so. Seriously, don't overstate the problem, stop pretending that there is going to be some tidal wave of immigrants because that is just nonsense. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
So why is Germany moaning about that then? Some of their towns and cities look like land tips! |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
So why is Germany moaning about that then? Some of their towns and cities look like land tips! They are moaning over nothing as well. They shouldn't be complaining either. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
So why is Germany moaning about that then? Some of their towns and cities look like land tips! Care to explain your reasoning for those statements? |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Care to explain your reasoning for those statements? First, from an economic point of view, your economy only gets better once you allow free movement of labor. Second, by not allowing Eastern Europeans to work for like 7 years last time, Germany not only did not benefit as much from a larger EU, it also caused problems, because people will find a way, legal or otherwise, to get into the country they want to work. In the case of Germany, a lot of Polish people just started up small businesses and used that rule to get around the rule that they were not allowed to work in Germany, as that rule did not apply to Polish businesses. What happened was that Polish workers started to compete in economic areas where there was no real need for Polish labor, while where there was an use for them, they weren't allowed to work. So it actually hurt the German economy a little bit (not by much). Third, there is always this talk like all of Eastern Europe is going to move West. This is a blatant lie. Yes, some Eastern Europeans move towards countries like Germany or the UK. A few thousand each year. A fair number of those also move back after a few years. But the whole idea that Western Europe is getting flooded by migrants from the East is just nonsense. And while they are here, most find jobs and pay taxes. European rules pretty clearly state that migrants are not allowed to be a burden on the social security system for the first five years that they are in their host country. If they are shorter than a few years in the host country, they are not entitled to any kind of welfare. So, you can keep out the 'moochers' (and their numbers are even more exaggerated) while you keep the people that contribute in a positive way to your economy. Finally, its just ridiculous to think that in today's world, which is ever globalizing, its possible let alone desirable to keep people from other countries out. Its not a realistic thing to promise, even if we were to completely stop with the whole EU tomorrow. Inter European immigration is going to happen, so better deal with it and make the most out of it, which really isn't that hard, than lie to the voters that you can keep them out of the country. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
European rules pretty clearly state that migrants are not allowed to be a burden on the social security system for the first five years that they are in their host country. If they are shorter than a few years in the host country, they are not entitled to any kind of welfare. So, you can keep out the 'moochers' (and their numbers are even more exaggerated) while you keep the people that contribute in a positive way to your economy. Are you sure of your facts here? This says otherwise "Since the three years to 2011, the number of EU migrants coming to Britain without a job increased by 73 per cent." free movement? Even without a job? "It comes after a new EU study found more than 600,000 unemployed European Union migrants are living in the UK at a cost of £1.5 billion to the NHS." Note that it is not a British survey but an EU one, so we can't be accused of any bias |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
Interesting developments....... European fears over Russian missiles ...naw, nothing to worry about, the Mekon's economical and political union will prevent those! |
Мишель Send message Joined: 26 Nov 13 Posts: 3073 Credit: 87,868 RAC: 0 |
Are you sure of your facts here? EU directive 2004/58/EC Article 7 European law is pretty clear on this. Unless they worked in the UK for a certain amount of time, they have no right to any welfare entitlements. If they are all unemployed and require British social security, then its the British problem that they can't distinguish between people who are entitled to access to healthcare and those that don't. The problem is not that you should keep more of them out, the problem is that you are paying for the people who are not allowed to make use of the benefits in the first place. |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
....but, but, aren't they immigrants? Look, if the UK doesn't want the internal market, thats fine, then leave. But you should not start cherry picking what elements of an internal market you want and what parts you don't want. Besides, why are you so afraid of immigrants? Don't forget the ECHR! That's the problem with a big unwieldy system, there are too many regulations where if one is applied then another will contradict it..... ...and you want it to enlarge? |
Sirius B Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 24879 Credit: 3,081,182 RAC: 7 |
European law is pretty clear on this. Unless they worked in the UK for a certain amount of time, they have no right to any welfare entitlements. If they are all unemployed and require British social security, then its the British problem that they can't distinguish between people who are entitled to access to healthcare and those that don't. The problem is not that you should keep more of them out, the problem is that you are paying for the people who are not allowed to make use of the benefits in the first place. Oy! Send me some of your pills, I've run out :) +1 |
W-K 666 Send message Joined: 18 May 99 Posts: 19091 Credit: 40,757,560 RAC: 67 |
You have to take note that the UK not only gets immigrants from EU countries, but also from many of the Commonwealth countries. There are about 200k per annum from the Indian sub-continent alone. |
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