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Message 1384410 - Posted: 25 Jun 2013, 0:35:01 UTC
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Message 1384417 - Posted: 25 Jun 2013, 1:16:03 UTC - in response to Message 1384410.

You had CC information stored somewhere on the net?!!!!!!

Got what you deserved.

Go to every online place you have ever used and delete the stored CC info. Failing that report all the cards stolen so you get a new one with a different number. If your CC offers a one time use number, use it. A little bit of a hassle when you need to buy, but if a hacker gets in he can't hit your cash.

Oh, might check every computer for a key stroke logger. Especially that new one, that might have a preloaded malware.

One of these days the credit reporting agencies will have our public PGP key on file. Until then fraud will rule.


OBW, you should have refused delivery. Especially if there was a signature involved.

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Message 1384519 - Posted: 25 Jun 2013, 10:03:46 UTC

When you buy stuff on the web always use a debit card, and make sure that you only keep a minimum of funds in it. If it gets lost or misappropriated they can only get what is left in the account. Also when you buy stuff on the web never tick the box with the option to remember your card, if the vendors info gets hacked they also get your card info. Paypal is as safe a transaction method as any which I use when ever I can. Its not a case of not trusting IT itsa case of using it sensibly with safeguards.

Oh and by the way, in law you still owe that $500, and at some point when they do the books at the end of the financial year, they will be asking for it. I would put it in a deposit a/c and keep the interest.

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Message 1384585 - Posted: 25 Jun 2013, 15:57:56 UTC - in response to Message 1384519.

Chris, on your side of the pond use a debit card, on my side of the pond use a credit card. On this side of the pond the protections exist for a credit card but there are none on a debit card. I know it is backwards on your side of the pond.

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Message 1384627 - Posted: 25 Jun 2013, 20:48:07 UTC

Actually we have credit cards on this side of the pond, as well as debit cards and charge cards.
Here there is automatic protection against fraudulent transactions on credit cards, but there is a minimum threshold. With debit cards its very much up to the bank as to how they treat fraudulent transactions.
But, in either case, if you have made a claim that a transaction was fraudulent, and it is settled by the bank (card company) and subsequently the "vendor" pays the money back to you, or you receive the goods then you are liable to pay that money back to the card company.

Chris's concept of having a small amount of money in a special account for use in making internet transactions is a wise protective measure, very much akin to having a credit card with a low credit limit. It limits your exposure to fraud. Another trick is having a transaction threshold - you get a call if a transaction exceeds a certain value, you can even set this up if they are below a certain value - very useful as one of the common fraud techniques in Europe is to make a number of small transactions that are intended to be "invisible", then once the veracity of the account has been proven to hit it with a number of large transactions and drain the account as quickly as possible.
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Message 1384651 - Posted: 25 Jun 2013, 22:06:19 UTC

Good advice Rob :-)

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Message 1414901 - Posted: 13 Sep 2013, 2:12:17 UTC

Can this be 'trusted'?


ISPs scramble to explain mouse-sniffing tool

Would you trust faceless corporations with your, er, mouse movements?...

Sky Broadband has been caught using JavaScript to track every click and shuffle on its support pages, but it's not alone: other ISPs have also admitted recording every frustrated wobble of the mouse...

... but the practice of logging one's activity within a website is far from limited to that industry...



Facebook strips away a bit more of your privacy – but won't say why

You also agree to have your FACE displayed in ads...

Facebook is slurping mobile phone numbers from its users without explaining why, it has emerged...




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Message 1415004 - Posted: 13 Sep 2013, 9:25:27 UTC

The title of this thread is "Can we really trust IT?"

The answer is invariably yes, what you can't trust are the people using IT that don't know what they are doing, but still make a living at it!

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Message 1415033 - Posted: 13 Sep 2013, 11:45:24 UTC - in response to Message 1329048.

Can we really trust IT? Not according to this report....

Chip & Pin had its day?

....with a nice highly debatable ending........

"You have no control over tech security."


"I personally won't use online banking, and I only use a cash machine with an account which has relatively little money in it," he said.

Now that's a little extreme. Although i admit i do only use either my credit card or paypal online, because both of those come with much higher levels of buyer protection than a debit card.
And both of my bank accounts have little money in them, so it doesn't matter which one i use in that respect.
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Message 1415034 - Posted: 13 Sep 2013, 11:46:54 UTC - in response to Message 1415004.

The title of this thread is "Can we really trust IT?"

The answer is invariably yes, what you can't trust are the people using IT that don't know what they are doing, but still make a living at it!


IT can be trusted to do exactly what it's ordered to do.
Just depends who's giving the order.
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Message 1415898 - Posted: 15 Sep 2013, 10:37:00 UTC

IT can be trusted to do exactly what it's ordered to do.

Er..... in a manner of speaking! I would slightly rephrase that to read that IT will do what it is programmed to do. Now if the programmer makes a mistake in the coding, then it might not do what it was meant to do!

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Message 1416319 - Posted: 16 Sep 2013, 11:17:30 UTC

No you definitely cannot trust I.T or the muppets that use it.....

Whatever happened to good old common sense?

How to lose customers PDQ
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Message 1416321 - Posted: 16 Sep 2013, 11:20:40 UTC - in response to Message 1416319.

No you definitely cannot trust I.T or the muppets that use it.....

Whatever happened to good old common sense?

How to lose customers PDQ

Well, you can't fault his honesty. And i refuse to believe that any customer service representative hasn't said the same thing at some point, he was just unlucky enough to get caught.
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Message 1416324 - Posted: 16 Sep 2013, 11:23:57 UTC

No you definitely cannot trust I.T or the muppets that use it.....

I assume that you will be shutting you business down then?

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Message 1416327 - Posted: 16 Sep 2013, 11:30:48 UTC - in response to Message 1416324.

No you definitely cannot trust I.T or the muppets that use it.....

I assume that you will be shutting you business down then?


Yep you definitely got out of bed the wrong side this morning.
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Message 1416331 - Posted: 16 Sep 2013, 11:36:27 UTC

You two are as bad as each other. Both of you stop trying to provoke the other and we'll have a far better time of it.
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Message 1416338 - Posted: 16 Sep 2013, 11:46:37 UTC - in response to Message 1416331.

You two are as bad as each other. Both of you stop trying to provoke the other and we'll have a far better time of it.


Now that comment is thought Provoking :)
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Message 1416367 - Posted: 16 Sep 2013, 13:40:57 UTC

Watch it Simon, you'll end up being proposed as a Mod.

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Message 1416382 - Posted: 16 Sep 2013, 14:21:21 UTC - in response to Message 1416367.

Watch it Simon, you'll end up being proposed as a Mod.


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Message 1416433 - Posted: 16 Sep 2013, 16:44:36 UTC

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