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Message 1307908 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 22:18:05 UTC

Well I ask you, Sirius..."What hope have we got". You can see it, I can see it,
just how long is it going to take the whole electorate to see it too.

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Message 1307911 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 22:22:58 UTC - in response to Message 1307908.

Well I ask you, Sirius..."What hope have we got". You can see it, I can see it,
just how long is it going to take the whole electorate to see it too.


You'll be surprised! 2 months ago, the % for exiting the EU stood at 48%, 1 month ago, 51% & currently it stands at 56%.

If that's not a warning for the muppets, I don't know what is!

However, they continue to ignore it & what's been happening in Europe will only escalate & we'll see it here.

Troops haven't been on our streets for Civil Defence since 1926 (Excluding wars), & we'll see it in our lifetimes....

....that's what I find extremely worrying!
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Message 1307926 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 22:38:41 UTC - in response to Message 1307911.
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Well I ask you, Sirius..."What hope have we got". You can see it, I can see it,
just how long is it going to take the whole electorate to see it too.


You'll be surprised! 2 months ago, the % for exiting the EU stood at 48%, 1 month ago, 51% & currently it stands at 56%.

If that's not a warning for the muppets, I don't know what is!

However, they continue to ignore it & what's been happening in Europe will only escalate & we'll see it here.

Troops haven't been on our streets for Civil Defence since 1926 (Excluding wars), & we'll see it in our lifetimes....

....that's what I find extremely worrying!

Well, if as I suspect and we slip into depression late next year then troops
on the streets could be a possibility. Europe will start to collapse plus
virtually all those associated economies too. Here, Cameron will have wished
he had gone ahead with his initial objective in calling a Euro referendum when
he first got into No.10. Had we got out, as the vote would have gone against
our continuation of membership, we would by now have improved markedly on
our exports to the rest of the world. Hence been in a better position to have
been less resilient on our exports to the ECM. It's the early bird that catches
the worm but unfortunately for Cameron he's going to realise that slumbering
around in bed for too long has caused us to miss a lot of them.

I have a nasty feeling here, Sirius; I don't think Cameron can handle the
responsibility nor the decision making that all Prime Ministers must be able
to handle. He's too worried in case he gets something wrong. Now we know why
our only two great Prime Ministers we had past century did so well....they
were not scared to make decisions for they were not scared of getting some
of them wrong....just as long as they got most of them right....."Good evening
Winston, good evening Maggie".
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Message 1307946 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 23:22:32 UTC - in response to Message 1307926.

I have a nasty feeling here, Sirius; I don't think Cameron can handle the
responsibility nor the decision making that all Prime Ministers must be able
to handle. He's too worried in case he gets something wrong. Now we know why
our only two great Prime Ministers we had past century did so well....they
were not scared to make decisions for they were not scared of getting some
of them wrong....just as long as they got most of them right....."Good evening
Winston, good evening Maggie".


Darn it! Will you stop getting inside my head.........

....... It's time for: -


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Message 1307949 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 23:30:53 UTC - in response to Message 1307946.

I have a nasty feeling here, Sirius; I don't think Cameron can handle the
responsibility nor the decision making that all Prime Ministers must be able
to handle. He's too worried in case he gets something wrong. Now we know why
our only two great Prime Ministers we had past century did so well....they
were not scared to make decisions for they were not scared of getting some
of them wrong....just as long as they got most of them right....."Good evening
Winston, good evening Maggie".


Darn it! Will you stop getting inside my head.........

....... It's time for: -


Did you know that Winston was a marksman when shooting with a revolver?


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Message 1307951 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 23:32:12 UTC - in response to Message 1307949.

Yes & with a rifle. What the youth of today don't realise is that he was a soldier & a war correspondent before he ever became a politician.
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Message 1307969 - Posted: 20 Nov 2012, 0:13:11 UTC - in response to Message 1307951.
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Yes & with a rifle. What the youth of today don't realise is that he was a soldier & a war correspondent before he ever became a politician.

By the way things are going we will have to wait at least another 10 years before
we ever get another decent leader.

Do you know by chance of anyone coming up through the ranks by the name of either,
"Winston Thatcher or Margaret Churchill" ??
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Message 1307978 - Posted: 20 Nov 2012, 0:40:34 UTC - in response to Message 1307969.

Yes & with a rifle. What the youth of today don't realise is that he was a soldier & a war correspondent before he ever became a politician.

By the way things are going we will have to wait at least another 10 years before
we ever get another decent leader.

Do you know by chance of anyone coming up through the ranks by the name of either,
"Winston Thatcher or Margaret Churchill" ??


Miracles I can achieve, but the impossible takes a bit longer........
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Message 1307982 - Posted: 20 Nov 2012, 0:52:32 UTC - in response to Message 1307969.

Yes & with a rifle. What the youth of today don't realise is that he was a soldier & a war correspondent before he ever became a politician.

By the way things are going we will have to wait at least another 10 years before
we ever get another decent leader.

Do you know by chance of anyone coming up through the ranks by the name of either,
"Winston Thatcher or Margaret Churchill" ??

Unfortunately these days most politicians are professional politicians. In that thats what their rich parents did/do, joined the party, then studied suitable subjects at university, worked as unpaid interns (was going to say a** l**k***) for several years, then as paid assistants and then if they are deemed suitably brainwashed, placed into a nomination at a safe seat. If the omens are good and the local party accepts then they get voted in. Then if they don't do anything silly and obey the whips they get a junior ministerial appointment in a few years.

None of the go out and find out about the world, then when middle aged decide to become an MP so that sensible debates can be had and therefore sensible laws.

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Message 1307987 - Posted: 20 Nov 2012, 1:21:45 UTC - in response to Message 1307982.

Good post, but it would have been better had you said "professional thieves" instead of politicians.
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Message 1308010 - Posted: 20 Nov 2012, 5:00:35 UTC
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For crying out loud. We all have to make do with the money in our account or we are in trouble. Everybody needs to bite the bullet. Cuts in Benefits, no, but we do need more control to get the cheats of the free train.
Cuts in military spending is definetly something the USA needs to do.
Help to the poor in other Nations, yes, but only if 99% makes a dent.
Pork spending should not be allowed. I could go on, this is just a start.
Yes I know, all my paychecks should just go towards my $21,000 a year deficit, but then how would I survive?
There is no easy solution.
Only if we as humans can work together as one, this can be solved. Going to happen, not in my lifetime I think.
I am going to shut up now, as I don't what to even comment on the Israel/Hamma issue. Just to sad.
Uli's rant over.
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Message 1308015 - Posted: 20 Nov 2012, 5:27:58 UTC - in response to Message 1308010.

Don't see that as a rant but a post with valid points.

The problem is that we at the bottom end of the ladder know what needs to be done - the problems lies at the top!
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Message 1308020 - Posted: 20 Nov 2012, 6:03:29 UTC - in response to Message 1308015.

Don't see that as a rant but a post with valid points.

The problem is that we at the bottom end of the ladder know what needs to be done - the problems lies at the top!

Thank you Sb, but how can we fix it?
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Message 1308042 - Posted: 20 Nov 2012, 8:13:30 UTC - in response to Message 1308020.
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Carry on the way we're going, highlighting the thievery, corruption, misplaced ideals, selfishness.

Years ago, there were 3 famous institutions that were feared internationally: -

The FBI
Scotland Yard
Interpol

First off, we need to create something similar once again, only this time, ENSURE that politics does not rear its ugly head within those organisations, with senior positions gained on merit not what party one votes for.

Secondly, ensure that the laws covers all & not exclude the privledged.

Thirdly, & this one I'm definitely going to get hazed on, is to make it an offence to avoid voting in national elections: -

Don't vote, then can't whine!

Fourthly, anyone convicted of tax avoidance/evasion should do hard time & not sit pretty in a 5 star hotel.

Also (at least here in the UK anyway), return ALL prisons to what they are originally meant for: - A hard cold place for those that breach society's laws - no more soft touchs because of their human rights!

Then with the right people in the right places at the right time, the rest will take care of itself.
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Message 1308044 - Posted: 20 Nov 2012, 8:31:01 UTC

One good thing about Germany is its press. It does not pull any of its punches or sugar-coat the bad pills!

We had a free press once that did just that, unfortunately, $$$$$$ got in the way!

Once again, its Der Spiegel to the rescue, unfortunately, these reports just backs up what Nick & I have been saying!

Temporary Euro-Exit would help stabilise Greece

Self Deception in Berlin damaging Greece

Coalition parties demands clarity from Merkel Germany is about to feel the pinch for the 1st time since the crisis erupted - just wonder how they feel about that & what will be their answer in next years elections?

2013 could turn out to be a very interesting year for all.
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Message 1308119 - Posted: 20 Nov 2012, 15:46:23 UTC - in response to Message 1308044.
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One good thing about Germany is its press. It does not pull any of its punches or sugar-coat the bad pills!

We had a free press once that did just that, unfortunately, $$$$$$ got in the way!

Once again, its Der Spiegel to the rescue, unfortunately, these reports just backs up what Nick & I have been saying!

Temporary Euro-Exit would help stabilise Greece

Self Deception in Berlin damaging Greece

Coalition parties demands clarity from Merkel Germany is about to feel the pinch for the 1st time since the crisis erupted - just wonder how they feel about that & what will be their answer in next years elections?

2013 could turn out to be a very interesting year for all.

Yes Sirius, all this nestles nicely into our way of thinking on these matters
during the past year. Will the Euro survive though, to me it seems this is only
possible if the like of Greece and Portugal leave the Euro, something Merkel is
resolutely against. Merkel's against this for she fears that if a country was
to leave the Euro this could lead to the break up of the whole union.
It was interesting to note that Werner Sinn favours European integration, yet
history shows that this is never ever successful. Most probably due to the fact
that fiscalities takes over at some stage and with respect to Europe this is
showing itself by way of a nasty monetary irritating rash that can not not be
cured by the normal application of fiscal-medicines.
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Message 1308300 - Posted: 21 Nov 2012, 10:33:57 UTC - in response to Message 1308119.

Agree Nick, however, in the last link above there is one thing that sticks out like a sore thumb.....

"Schäuble and Merkel are trying to use other measures in order to buy time."

Huh? They've had 4 years already! What I'm thinking is that, maybe they're waiting for either Greece or Britain to exit so that they can be absolved from any damage done to the EU.

We'll find out tomorrow....

Britain will still end up paying more

Maybe Neville Chamberlain's grandson will be returning with a piece of paper.....
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Message 1308316 - Posted: 21 Nov 2012, 12:00:25 UTC - in response to Message 1308300.

Agree Nick, however, in the last link above there is one thing that sticks out like a sore thumb.....

"Schäuble and Merkel are trying to use other measures in order to buy time."

Huh? They've had 4 years already! What I'm thinking is that, maybe they're waiting for either Greece or Britain to exit so that they can be absolved from any damage done to the EU.


Yes Sirius, we hit on this point many moons ago and that if the ECM breaks up
"they" will be looking for a scape goat. You've known this, I've known this so
one can only speculate that Cameron too...knows this. Seems we're caught between
a rock and a hard place here? What's the solution?? I think it's to reduce our
involvement and play a secondary roll within the ECM. 1st, Cameron tells the
summit that the UK is paying no more than what it's paying into the ECM coffers
at the moment and that this amount will not be increased in the future. 2nd,
tell the summit that the UK will no further acknowledge any further laws or
directives as issued by Brussels. 3rd, that the UK will hold a referendum on
these issues and if supported by the electorate will become cemented. 4th,
the UK will throw out any Brussels directives contrary to the benefits to the
UK...aka we take back our fishing waters. If at the summit the rest there don't
agree to them then they will have to throw us out.


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Message 1308325 - Posted: 21 Nov 2012, 12:25:35 UTC - in response to Message 1308300.

Britain will still end up paying more

The Government said this is inevitable as agricultural subsidies reduce and more of the budget goes on spending in poorer new EU member states.

So not only is the ECM being bogged down by Greece, Portugal and the likes it
has also got the "poorer EU members" financial millstone around it's neck too.
As we have stated before,the ECM consistently tries to run before it has ever
learnt to walk. Pumping billions in to the poorer EU countries is nothing more
than a case of Europeanisation through the back door. Trying to turn them into
wealthy countries in the image of Europe's best. How many times has this occurred
in the past where nations have tried to convert other nations around it.
The Egyptians, the Greeks, the Mongolians, the Romans and the British too. All
failed in the end and so too will Europeanisation for all though all reside in
the continent of Europe does not mean that all see themselves as Europeans.
Us Brits don't and how many others out there too don't either???

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Message 1308805 - Posted: 22 Nov 2012, 15:31:38 UTC

Who the heck is Grieve? & how much is the EU paying him?

EU must face up to Economic realities You're having a laugh mate!

Oops - & you muppets want an increase in your budget? definitely having a laugh & at our expense!

UK credit rating in spotlight - soon Frenchie can laugh

You just gotta love Der Spiegel......

Cameron's Risky EU Showdown

Good old Boris..."he wrote in his Daily Telegraph column, in reference to former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher. Raising the EU budget, he wrote, "is like handing an ice cream to the fattest boy in class, while the rest of the kids are on starvation diets.""

Unfortunately, its the Frenchie's again with their CAP stranglehold....

"That, however, has triggered furious protest in France, which is the largest recipient of agricultural support."
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