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Message 1308333 - Posted: 21 Nov 2012, 12:53:57 UTC - in response to Message 1308323.

On the other hand, since he's not worried about campagning for his next re-election (or is he?)


I think your 22nd Amendent will come into play here.
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Message 1308347 - Posted: 21 Nov 2012, 13:40:08 UTC - in response to Message 1308342.

On the other hand, since he's not worried about campagning for his next re-election (or is he?)


I think your 22nd Amendent will come into play here.


Like the 18th Amendment, it can be repealed.


I don't think that one will be!
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Message 1308395 - Posted: 21 Nov 2012, 17:23:44 UTC - in response to Message 1308323.

I believe everybody knows what's coming.


The Rapture?
I'm sorry, that already happened.
144,000 people, gone.
Of course, it happened Election Night.
However, most of them were not in the United States.

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Message 1308475 - Posted: 21 Nov 2012, 19:52:36 UTC - in response to Message 1308323.

San Franscisco just demonstrated a little bit of right-wing extremism by outlawing public nudity except at government approved events.


Guy, why do you believe that a Democratic Board of Supervisors, with a Democratic Mayor, in a state with a Democratic legislature, would behave in a way that is consistent with your description of "right-wing extremism"?

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Message 1308832 - Posted: 22 Nov 2012, 17:13:07 UTC - in response to Message 1308518.

San Franscisco just demonstrated a little bit of right-wing extremism by outlawing public nudity except at government approved events.


Guy, why do you believe that a Democratic Board of Supervisors, with a Democratic Mayor, in a state with a Democratic legislature, would behave in a way that is consistent with your description of "right-wing extremism"?


Crossposted from another thread:

No one should dictate to another how to live their life. Tolerance is a requirement.


Anything else is considered right-wing extremism.

Considered by whom?
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Message 1308920 - Posted: 22 Nov 2012, 19:27:30 UTC - in response to Message 1308832.

San Franscisco just demonstrated a little bit of right-wing extremism by outlawing public nudity except at government approved events.


Guy, why do you believe that a Democratic Board of Supervisors, with a Democratic Mayor, in a state with a Democratic legislature, would behave in a way that is consistent with your description of "right-wing extremism"?


Crossposted from another thread:

No one should dictate to another how to live their life. Tolerance is a requirement.


Anything else is considered right-wing extremism.

Considered by whom?


Right wing extremists? ;)
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Message 1308997 - Posted: 22 Nov 2012, 21:09:58 UTC - in response to Message 1308832.
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Message 1309067 - Posted: 23 Nov 2012, 1:18:19 UTC - in response to Message 1308999.

(Guy, don't hate me because I can grow this much hair in my mid-40s.)


I don't hate you. I question your inconsistency over the months through.

And I have a full head of hair also. It's just turning white as I cross over into the second half of my century of life.


You perceive inconsistencies where none exist.
I have stated all along that I am independent.

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Message 1309085 - Posted: 23 Nov 2012, 2:17:06 UTC - in response to Message 1309067.

You perceive inconsistencies where none exist.
I have stated all along that I am independent.


You're not inconsistent to me at all...you say you're an independent but you have a very clear conservative slant (not that that is a bad thing).
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Message 1309097 - Posted: 23 Nov 2012, 4:47:16 UTC - in response to Message 1309085.

You perceive inconsistencies where none exist.
I have stated all along that I am independent.


You're not inconsistent to me at all...you say you're an independent but you have a very clear conservative slant (not that that is a bad thing).


That will confuse Guy.

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Message 1309445 - Posted: 23 Nov 2012, 20:31:06 UTC - in response to Message 1308997.

San Franscisco just demonstrated a little bit of right-wing extremism by outlawing public nudity except at government approved events.


Guy, why do you believe that a Democratic Board of Supervisors, with a Democratic Mayor, in a state with a Democratic legislature, would behave in a way that is consistent with your description of "right-wing extremism"?


Crossposted from another thread:

No one should dictate to another how to live their life. Tolerance is a requirement.


Anything else is considered right-wing extremism.

Considered by whom?


Contemporary modern day liberalism.

Your response does not answer the question, "liberalism" is a political philosophy, an abstract concept, and incapable of considering anything. Assuming you meant "contemporary modern day liberals", how did you establish that members of this group holds the beliefs that you assert they hold? Do you believe that the SF Mayor and the SF Board of Supervisors are not "contemporary modern day liberals"?
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Message 1309503 - Posted: 23 Nov 2012, 23:11:04 UTC
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Message 1309565 - Posted: 24 Nov 2012, 2:09:46 UTC - in response to Message 1309503.

It does answer the question, except you are falling into your normal habit of picking apart words that mean certain things to you but fail to realize they may mean other things to other people. Most people I know read for context, not for narrow rules defined by the small group of people in their short lives. They realize that education has not been perfectly standardized across different counties, states and countries.

You know, when you do that, you are demonstrating a certain amount of intolerance, which is unacceptable by modern day contemporary liberals.

But to further clarify what I said earlier:

Apparently wagging one's pierced phrenum in the streets of San Francisco is currently stepping over the current contemporary line when it comes to freedom and rights to live one's life as they please, so the SF Mayor and the SF Board are getting a little bit of pressure from their constituents to put a stop to it. This is inhibiting rights and freedoms. According to modern contemporary liberalism (or liberals, if you prefer so as to put it ON someone), this is considered right-wing extremism. When ever someone tries to tell someone else how to live their lives, it's right-wing extremism.

Simple as that.

I asked "considered by whom?", deliberately putting it on someone or some group of people. Liberalism is a "what" not a "whom". If "whom" means anything else to you, you might benefit from a refresher course in English language.

You again conjure this group of "modern contemporary liberals", though fail to show that you have any basis to suppose they believe any of the things you say, i.e. you failed to answer "how did you establish that members of this group holds the beliefs that you assert they hold?". Until such time as you are able to provide evidence to support your view of people that subscribe to contemporary liberal beliefs, your argument that such people consider any limits to personal freedoms a form of right wing extremism will remain, like many of your arguments, a straw man.

Simple as that.
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Message 1309667 - Posted: 24 Nov 2012, 9:46:26 UTC
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Message 1309872 - Posted: 24 Nov 2012, 18:29:18 UTC - in response to Message 1309667.
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bobby, it appears you don't watch any network news. Or is it only Fox News you watch?

It appears you can't answer a question.

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Extreme Right-Wing: groups that believe that one’s personal and/or national “way of life” is under attack and is either already lost or that the threat is imminent (for some the threat is from a specific ethnic, racial, or religious group), and believe in the need to be prepared for an attack either by participating in paramilitary preparations and training or survivalism. Groups may also be fiercely nationalistic (as opposed to universal and international in orientation), anti-global, suspicious of centralized federal authority, reverent of individual liberty, and believe in conspiracy theories that involve grave threat to national sovereignty and/or personal liberty.

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Are you sure you weren't watching right wing extremists proudly proclaim one of their core beliefs?
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Message 1318705 - Posted: 22 Dec 2012, 8:20:26 UTC - in response to Message 1306543.

The best way out of the deficit hole is to grow our way out through private sector economic growth. The main engine of economic growth is small business. After all, small business accounts for about 60% of the private sector jobs. Someone needs to sit down and educate President Obama on this.

He is already being advised by better-informed and more talented professionals than yourself, but you are welcome to try to "educate" me on it. ;^)

His much touted figure of $250,000.00 / year for phase in of tax hikes is somewhat too low. If that figure of $250k stands, it will eviscerate small business.

You seem very sure of that assertion, but you offer no substantiation, neither fact nor argument, only more assertions and unsolicited advice. If income tax rates of 39.6% on individual income over $200,000 or household income over $250,000 is such a guaranteed disaster, then why was economic growth so much better the last time those exact rates were in effect than it has been since George Walker Bush lowered the top marginal tax rate?

As Bobby likes to say, I think you'll find that the facts are not as simplistic as your narrative. Or words to that effect.

One other thing:

In the past, I have suggested across the board spending cuts of x%. This would avoid a lot of debates and arguing about various sacred cow programs, and likely be easier to get passed. Then let each social program decide whether to reduce benefit size, tighten eligibility, or some combination of both. If we exempt some programs from cuts that will require even more massive cuts in others, maybe even eliminating them altogether. And remember, the programs you would wish to be cut deeply or eliminated to save your sacred cow program will be someone else's sacred cow.

Would that also include agricultural subsidies, oil and coal subsidies, and military expenditures to private contractors? Or do you only demand sacrifice from individuals, some of whose lives certainly depend on the safety net?
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