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Message 1294438 - Posted: 12 Oct 2012, 21:19:51 UTC - in response to Message 1294430.

Considering these forums have had plenty of discussions about whether or not this God 'bloke' exists, and many doubt that he/she/it does, it seems believing in this God is a matter of faith, which means you're preaching gospel from your personal belief system.


As far as becoming immortal is concerned, we have already found ways to extend our lives far longer than in the past, but now we have to figure out how to solve all the problems that go along with old age and our bodies and mind falling apart.

But in no way do I think anyone will be able to live forever. A cloned copy is not an exact duplicate, so even through cloning, each life is a new one and therefore doesn't count as a continuation of the host's life.

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Message 1294468 - Posted: 12 Oct 2012, 22:45:19 UTC - in response to Message 1294430.

... Anyway, the thread is about Immortality. Every and all angles on the discussion are open here. ...

2783 posts plus all our contributions combined and shuffled could well be tidied up to make your own book. With an appropriate cover, and with suitably big friendly letters on the cover, you could well have something pretty good.

And if the ideas are good enough and explained well enough in a good enough way, and the reviews are controversial/outspoken enough, you could even make "a few Bob".

And if the word gets out to make you famous enough, perhaps your ideas may well achieve a similar immortality to that achieved by various religions. No body needed!

And... The Religion of Guinness is thus born.


It's all just an idea ;-)

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Message 1294515 - Posted: 13 Oct 2012, 1:34:16 UTC - in response to Message 1294395.

This thread is getting very little response! This disappoints me.

DO YOU PEOPLE GET IT?

There is no reason to die! You, me, and every human being on Earth were "programmed" to die. It has been written into our DNA. Its written in the living code in every living cell in your body. God programmed you to die!

BUT!! There is a very big but!!

God, the genetic engineer that created Adam, gave us a full set of instructions for how to become Immortal! Now i will be very clear here - Its NOT going to be easy!! God did NOT make it easy for you to become Immortal, he made it difficult.

To become Immortal, you have to read the Holy Bible. Not only that, you have to try to play by God's set of rules that are written in the Bible. If you play by the rules, and follow God's commandments, God has given YOU a 100% guarantee that you will be resurrected, through cloning, and you will get to live in the Kingdom of God. God spent a very long time preparing his Kingdom for those who choose to play by God's rules. He has a beautiful Kingdom already prepared for all that play by the rules.

Its your choice people!

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Message 1294670 - Posted: 13 Oct 2012, 9:38:30 UTC - in response to Message 1294438.
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Considering these forums have had plenty of discussions about whether or not this God 'bloke' exists, and many doubt that he/she/it does, it seems believing in this God is a matter of faith, which means you're preaching gospel from your personal belief system.


As far as becoming immortal is concerned, we have already found ways to extend our lives far longer than in the past, but now we have to figure out how to solve all the problems that go along with old age and our bodies and mind falling apart.

But in no way do I think anyone will be able to live forever. A cloned copy is not an exact duplicate, so even through cloning, each life is a new one and therefore doesn't count as a continuation of the host's life.

Ozzfan,
Just for starters, we are BOTH preaching, your doing it too!! I preach based on the knowledge i have learned, and you do exactly the same thing. Your a preacher too! And its also based on what you "believe" to be correct. So don't think for one minute that your personal knowledge superseeds my personal knowledge. We BOTH study and have a good understanding of many DIFFERENT areas of science. So don't you dare stand on on some high horse and claim that your personal scientific view of the world is any better that someone elses scientific view of the world.

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A cloned copy is not an exact duplicate

That's just plain wrong Ozzfan. A cloned copy of a living organism is a 100% perfect duplicate of the original in every possible way. This is the origin of the word clone. To clone something is to duplicate something. A clone is not a close copy, its a 100% perfect copy.

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, so even through cloning, each life is a new one and therefore doesn't count as a continuation of the host's life.

This is also wrong, very wrong! You talk a lot of science, but the stuff you preach completely lacks any scientific credibility. It shows a real lack of even the most basic understanding of living cells.

The genes that get passed through from a parent cell to the daughter cell, or seed, are a continuation of the base set of chemical reactions we call life. In other words, the seed or child is a perfect unbroken chain of chemical reactions that has not stopped since the root of that species originally started.

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Message 1294679 - Posted: 13 Oct 2012, 9:50:35 UTC - in response to Message 1294468.
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... Anyway, the thread is about Immortality. Every and all angles on the discussion are open here. ...

2783 posts plus all our contributions combined and shuffled could well be tidied up to make your own book. With an appropriate cover, and with suitably big friendly letters on the cover, you could well have something pretty good.

And if the ideas are good enough and explained well enough in a good enough way, and the reviews are controversial/outspoken enough, you could even make "a few Bob".

And if the word gets out to make you famous enough, perhaps your ideas may well achieve a similar immortality to that achieved by various religions. No body needed!

And... The Religion of Guinness is thus born.


It's all just an idea ;-)

Keep searchin',
Martin

Martin,
Thanks again for the positive comments. But the best is yet to come. Think about it Martin, because your aware of the stuff i have discussed here, imagine if i really do have scientific proof to back up all the stuff you have heard me say!

Think about it Martin, if i'm telling the truth, i have a story that is capable of rocking the whole world to its very foundations. For the moment, i have intentionally not given out any of the scientific proof's, not until i have compiled them properly. But when i have this properly compiled, the whole world will weep.

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Message 1294808 - Posted: 13 Oct 2012, 15:17:24 UTC - in response to Message 1294670.

Ozzfan,
Just for starters, we are BOTH preaching, your doing it too!! I preach based on the knowledge i have learned, and you do exactly the same thing. Your a preacher too! And its also based on what you "believe" to be correct. So don't think for one minute that your personal knowledge superseeds my personal knowledge. We BOTH study and have a good understanding of many DIFFERENT areas of science. So don't you dare stand on on some high horse and claim that your personal scientific view of the world is any better that someone elses scientific view of the world.


You have some serious issues if you think anyone that says anything different from you is somehow 'preaching' on a 'high horse'.

A cloned copy is not an exact duplicate

That's just plain wrong Ozzfan. A cloned copy of a living organism is a 100% perfect duplicate of the original in every possible way. This is the origin of the word clone. To clone something is to duplicate something. A clone is not a close copy, its a 100% perfect copy.


If it is missing the memories and experiences, it is not an exact duplicate.

so even through cloning, each life is a new one and therefore doesn't count as a continuation of the host's life.

This is also wrong, very wrong!


Why? Because you sez so? I see you doing a lot of this, telling everyone how very wrong they are, but you offer nothing substantial yourself.

You talk a lot of science, but the stuff you preach completely lacks any scientific credibility. It shows a real lack of even the most basic understanding of living cells.


Again, why? Because you sez so? Where's your evidence that I'm wrong?

The genes that get passed through from a parent cell to the daughter cell, or seed, are a continuation of the base set of chemical reactions we call life. In other words, the seed or child is a perfect unbroken chain of chemical reactions that has not stopped since the root of that species originally started.


I am not my father or mother. I have lived my own life with my own experiences. Though I may share some alleles with my parents and siblings, the unbroken chain is simply evolutionary.

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Message 1294819 - Posted: 13 Oct 2012, 15:57:09 UTC - in response to Message 1294670.
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That's just plain wrong Ozzfan. A cloned copy of a living organism is a 100% perfect duplicate of the original in every possible way. This is the origin of the word clone. To clone something is to duplicate something. A clone is not a close copy, its a 100% perfect copy.


That's simply wrong and you've already been shown it's wrong. Why do you continue to repeat things that are known falsehoods?
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Message 1294820 - Posted: 13 Oct 2012, 15:59:34 UTC

To become Immortal, you have to read the Holy Bible. Not only that, you have to try to play by God's set of rules that are written in the Bible. If you play by the rules, and follow God's commandments, God has given YOU a 100% guarantee that you will be resurrected, through cloning, and you will get to live in the Kingdom of God. God spent a very long time preparing his Kingdom for those who choose to play by God's rules. He has a beautiful Kingdom already prepared for all that play by the rules.

Its your choice people!

John, God's servant.


Well there you are folks, you heard it from the man himself. He is a bible thumping religious fanatic. I still think he's right about previous ET visitations, but as for the rest of it, he's blown it. He is not a lot different to those blokes who walk up and down the high Street with sandwich boards proclaiming the end of the world is nigh. He just does it on-line.

I'm sure he's a nice bloke and kind to animals etc, but I do fear for his mental wellbeing.


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Message 1294849 - Posted: 13 Oct 2012, 16:33:41 UTC
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Ozzfan & Bobby,
Yea, yea, yea. Who are you trying to fool here?

Quote Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloning

"Cloning in biology is the process of producing similar populations of genetically ->identical<- individuals that occurs in nature when organisms such as bacteria, insects or plants reproduce asexually.

Come off it guys!

John.

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Message 1294850 - Posted: 13 Oct 2012, 16:37:00 UTC

when organisms such as bacteria, insects or plants reproduce asexually.

That is not the same as cloning by human intervention in a laboratory!

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Message 1294851 - Posted: 13 Oct 2012, 16:38:59 UTC - in response to Message 1294820.

Its your choice people!

John, God's servant.


Well there you are folks, you heard it from the man himself. He is a bible thumping religious fanatic. I still think he's right about previous ET visitations, but as for the rest of it, he's blown it. He is not a lot different to those blokes who walk up and down the high Street with sandwich boards proclaiming the end of the world is nigh. He just does it on-line.

I'm sure he's a nice bloke and kind to animals etc, but I do fear for his mental wellbeing.

Chris,
I meant to ask you the other day. Where do i get those licence permits so i can stand on Hyde park corner in London?

I have the placard and paint, the good citizens of London town need to hear the word of God.

John :)

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Message 1294855 - Posted: 13 Oct 2012, 16:44:26 UTC - in response to Message 1294849.

Ozzfan & Bobby,
Yea, yea, yea. Who are you trying to fool here?

Quote Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloning

"Cloning in biology is the process of producing similar populations of genetically ->identical<- individuals that occurs in nature when organisms such as bacteria, insects or plants reproduce asexually.

Come off it guys!

John.


"Genetically identical" does not mean "a 100% perfect copy", note the wiki quote you used states "similar populations" ...
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Message 1294868 - Posted: 13 Oct 2012, 17:19:44 UTC
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Chris,
I meant to ask you the other day. Where do i get those licence permits so i can stand on Hyde park corner in London?

I have the placard and paint, the good citizens of London town need to hear the word of God.

John :)

As far as I know you do not need a specific permit. If you are serious about coming over, let me know when and I'll buy you a beer afterwards.

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Message 1294873 - Posted: 13 Oct 2012, 17:25:38 UTC - in response to Message 1294868.

Chris,
I meant to ask you the other day. Where do i get those licence permits so i can stand on Hyde park corner in London?

I have the placard and paint, the good citizens of London town need to hear the word of God.

John :)

I'll find out and get back to you.

....LOL....:)

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Message 1294875 - Posted: 13 Oct 2012, 17:27:49 UTC
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There's your challenge ....

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Message 1294879 - Posted: 13 Oct 2012, 17:37:40 UTC - in response to Message 1294868.

Chris,
I meant to ask you the other day. Where do i get those licence permits so i can stand on Hyde park corner in London?

I have the placard and paint, the good citizens of London town need to hear the word of God.

John :)

As far as I know you do not need a specific permit. If you are serious about coming over, let me know when and I'll buy you a beer afterwards.

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Message 1294886 - Posted: 13 Oct 2012, 17:44:09 UTC - in response to Message 1294855.

Ozzfan & Bobby,
Yea, yea, yea. Who are you trying to fool here?

Quote Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloning

"Cloning in biology is the process of producing similar populations of genetically ->identical<- individuals that occurs in nature when organisms such as bacteria, insects or plants reproduce asexually.

Come off it guys!

John.


"Genetically identical" does not mean "a 100% perfect copy", note the wiki quote you used states "similar populations" ...


Please forgiveth Brother Johnney for he understands not what he readeths.

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Message 1294906 - Posted: 13 Oct 2012, 18:01:33 UTC

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Message 1294919 - Posted: 13 Oct 2012, 18:40:54 UTC

euh ...

i dont want to be immortal :P
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Message 1295070 - Posted: 14 Oct 2012, 5:55:23 UTC

How the heck can a clone be identicel if it does not have your memories? Its just another body that looks like you. Untill the day that a mind can be uploaded to a clone its not the same.

And Id like to know how those people with more money than brains made out cloning a pet. My guess is yeah they looked the same but I bet they had a totaly different personality. ( Why Fluffy you never shredded the drapes before)

My take on a clone is they should have human rights, And to grow them just for you to take parts from or download your mind into is wrong.

Now cyborgs is a differnet story.
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