UFO lights over Phoenix Arizona, real or not?

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Julie Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 8429 Credit: 1,401,961 RAC: 4,835	Message 1291977 - Posted: 6 Oct 2012, 10:42:00 UTC - in response to Message 1291880.
	Where is M 94 located? I believe it's in the Canes Venatici. ____________
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Grant Nelson Send message Joined: 7 May 12 Posts: 648 Credit: 750,828 RAC: 2,245	Message 1292009 - Posted: 6 Oct 2012, 12:02:43 UTC
	Darn lost my star chart
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Chris S Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Nov 00 Posts: 22736 Credit: 4,516,535 RAC: 5,698	Message 1292019 - Posted: 6 Oct 2012, 12:43:43 UTC
	Messier 94 (also known as NGC 4736) is a spiral galaxy in the constellation Canes Venatici. It was discovered by Pierre Méchain in 1781, and catalogued by Charles Messier two days later. Although some references describe M94 as a barred spiral galaxy, the "bar" structure appears to be more oval-shaped. The galaxy is also notable in that it has two ring structures. Bottom LH corner of Ursa Major, the Great Bear.
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Julie Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 8429 Credit: 1,401,961 RAC: 4,835	Message 1293531 - Posted: 10 Oct 2012, 17:30:44 UTC
	UFO's spotted above Fresno, California this month ____________
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Julie Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 8429 Credit: 1,401,961 RAC: 4,835	Message 1297152 - Posted: 20 Oct 2012, 11:48:09 UTC
	British hacker found evidence of UFO. ____________
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kenzieB Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 16 Mar 07 Posts: 3913 Credit: 1,577,202 RAC: 644	Message 1297156 - Posted: 20 Oct 2012, 12:12:15 UTC
	It should be pointed out that McKinnon has been diagnosed with Asperger's as well as clinical depression. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_McKinnon He makes many claims and provides no evidence to back it up. Just my opinion, but not the most credible person on the planet. ____________
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Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 11987 Credit: 18,023,862 RAC: 54,037	Message 1297329 - Posted: 20 Oct 2012, 21:12:11 UTC - in response to Message 1297152.
	Yeah, he may have been smart about hacking, but he wasn't very intelligent when it comes to digital photography: McKinnon says his goal was to find evidence that the American government had obtained extraterrestrial technology that it was withholding from the general public. "I knew that governments suppressed antigravity, UFO-related technologies, free energy or what they call zero-point energy," McKinnon told Wired in 2006. "This should not be kept hidden from the public when pensioners can't pay their fuel bills." And he claims he found the evidence he was looking for. For example, he alleges that NASA "regularly airbrushed out images of UFOs from the high-resolution satellite imaging," but that he found copies of the original, non-airbrushed photos on NASA's servers. Unfortunately, he says, the original photos were hundreds of megabytes, too large to download over his dial-up modem connection. But he was able to gain "remote control of their desktop, and by adjusting it to 4-bit color and low screen resolution, I was able to briefly see one of these pictures. It was a silvery, cigar-shaped object with geodesic spheres on either side." But he says his access was discovered and cut off before he had time to save copies of the images. Anyone who look at a photo in 4-bit color and low resolution is going to find all sorts of artifacts due to the conversion and data loss. It also sounds like the aliens drive a shake-weight. Yeah.... this is why hard evidence is more important than stories passed around.
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Julie Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 8429 Credit: 1,401,961 RAC: 4,835	Message 1304646 - Posted: 10 Nov 2012, 21:51:01 UTC
	Strange UFO orb over Tweed Heads Australia ____________
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Grant Nelson Send message Joined: 7 May 12 Posts: 648 Credit: 750,828 RAC: 2,245	Message 1305700 - Posted: 13 Nov 2012, 4:46:35 UTC - in response to Message 1304646. Last modified: 13 Nov 2012, 4:52:32 UTC
	Strange UFO orb over Tweed Heads Australia I seen my first true UFO about a week short of a year ago. what I seen couldn't have been man made in no way shape or form. I'm still shook over it That's no joking. Many other people seen it too.
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Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 2686 Credit: 1,507,411 RAC: 1,339	Message 1305745 - Posted: 13 Nov 2012, 8:25:07 UTC - in response to Message 1305700.
	Strange UFO orb over Tweed Heads Australia I seen my first true UFO about a week short of a year ago. what I seen couldn't have been man made in no way shape or form. I'm still shook over it That's no joking. Many other people seen it too. If it can't be explained then it is a UFO and just that, "An unidentifiable object seen in the air". ____________ The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.
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Julie Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 8429 Credit: 1,401,961 RAC: 4,835	Message 1305780 - Posted: 13 Nov 2012, 12:26:13 UTC - in response to Message 1305700.
	Strange UFO orb over Tweed Heads Australia I seen my first true UFO about a week short of a year ago. what I seen couldn't have been man made in no way shape or form. I'm still shook over it That's no joking. Many other people seen it too. Unfortunately, I never had the experience of seeing one:( ____________
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Chris S Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Nov 00 Posts: 22736 Credit: 4,516,535 RAC: 5,698	Message 1305866 - Posted: 13 Nov 2012, 22:26:27 UTC
	If it can't be explained then it is a UFO and just that, "An unidentifiable object seen in the air". Agreed, but the problem is that these unidentified flying objects that seem to defy the laws of physics as we know them, are automatically assumed to be of extraterrestrial origin, because our science cannot explain them. That I feel is the fundamental mistake.
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Julie Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 8429 Credit: 1,401,961 RAC: 4,835	Message 1306064 - Posted: 14 Nov 2012, 11:47:53 UTC
	Then you have to ask the question of course why science can't explain it. I know there's a lot of things in the Universe that can't be explained but on earth I'm not so sure of. ____________
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ML1 Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 25 Nov 01 Posts: 7133 Credit: 3,684,355 RAC: 932	Message 1306083 - Posted: 14 Nov 2012, 13:07:40 UTC - in response to Message 1306064.
	Then you have to ask the question of course why science can't explain it. I know there's a lot of things in the Universe that can't be explained but on earth I'm not so sure of. Usually, the problem is not of "unexplained" but more of a lack of good or useful information to allow anything to be explainable in the first place. Ever wondered why all the "Great Mysteries" are of things not seen or at best seen by unreliable witness or from 'something' in a fuzzy photograph that is too fuzzy to see anything for sure... You are very welcome to dream all manner of images in the face of the moon. Some authors make lots of money out of such mysteries tomfoolery... Of all possible explanations, interstellar Aliens must be a long long way down the list. Why on Earth would they bother us over many light years of space and time to not be explained?... Keep searchin', Martin ____________ Mandriva Linux A user friendly OS! See new freedom Mageia2 The Future is what We make IT (GPLv3)
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Julie Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 8429 Credit: 1,401,961 RAC: 4,835	Message 1306148 - Posted: 14 Nov 2012, 18:11:56 UTC
	Still I believe some things remain unexplainable, even if we have some useful information on it, like the 11 dimensions in the Universe. Stephen Hawking made a great effort trying to expain them but they remain unexplainable.Another example are the black holes... ____________
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Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 2686 Credit: 1,507,411 RAC: 1,339	Message 1306152 - Posted: 14 Nov 2012, 18:24:55 UTC
	Of all possible explanations, interstellar Aliens must be a long long way down the list. Why on Earth would they bother us over many light years of space and time to not be explained?... ML', bother us and know that they have been seen too but choose to continue not to communicate with us just does not add up.....as you say, "Alien theory must be a long way down on the list". ____________ The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.
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Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 2686 Credit: 1,507,411 RAC: 1,339	Message 1306165 - Posted: 14 Nov 2012, 18:52:51 UTC
	like the 11 dimensions in the Universe Julie. the 11 dimensions allow scientist to explain, come to terms, with the strange goings-on in particle quantum physics. They can only experiment under the restrictive conditions set by our three dimensional world. Yet what they do discover leads them, at times, to calculate that certain findings to make any sense could only occur if there were many more dimensions. The splitting of the photon leads many scientists to believe in the multiple dimension theorem. Split a photon in half, one polarised vertical the other horizontal, isolate them from one another by distance. Switch the vertically polarised photon over to horizontal polarity and you find the previously horizontal polarised photon immediately switches over to vertical polarity. How can this occur since in our three dimensional world the two half photons are not connected for they were split. They must still be connected in some way...via another but unseen dimension for how else could each half photon know what the other half is doing in supposed isolation. ____________ The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.
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Julie Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 28 Oct 09 Posts: 8429 Credit: 1,401,961 RAC: 4,835	Message 1306180 - Posted: 14 Nov 2012, 19:32:14 UTC
	Yes, but how about the Akasha Field? http://www.resurgence.org/magazine/article2914-the-akashic-experience.html ____________
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Chris S Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 19 Nov 00 Posts: 22736 Credit: 4,516,535 RAC: 5,698	Message 1306385 - Posted: 15 Nov 2012, 10:01:33 UTC
	They must still be connected in some way...via another but unseen dimension for how else could each half photon know what the other half is doing in supposed isolation. Perhaps they were not in true isolation to begin with, Mere distance may not be enough. Different Akasha?
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Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 2686 Credit: 1,507,411 RAC: 1,339	Message 1306467 - Posted: 15 Nov 2012, 17:17:22 UTC - in response to Message 1306180. Last modified: 15 Nov 2012, 17:19:17 UTC
	Yes, but how about the Akasha Field? http://www.resurgence.org/magazine/article2914-the-akashic-experience.html "The universe creates intelligence, formed the moment you distort any part of space". Something understood by physicist for many years now. Hence bings in the concept of string theory and multiple dimensions that are wrapped up tightly hence behaving like strings. You can split a photon but you don't split it's string. This string is a extra-dimensional chord that stays attached to each half of the photon and being a dimension has no limit on it's possible length. This chord can stretch from one end of the universe to the other, as experienced in our three dimensional world. But in a multi-dimensional world the photon may appear not to have been totally split at all, why? because only in a three dimensional world, can you create particles, photons and the like, in a multi-dimensional sub-world all that's here are the strings that make up these particles, photons etc. Hence providing when splitting the photon you have not cut all of it's strings too then in the sub-world the two halves seem still connected. No wonder it takes so much energy to split particles apart for you need to cut these strings. All we see in our three dimensional world is the products of what is going on in our sub-multidimensional world. A world where distance has no meaning for it does not exist. If aliens were to exist then how would they be able to effectively communicate with their home base millions of light years away without suffering from any time delay? I think the answer here can be found in the two half photons experiment? ____________ The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.
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