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Message 1254830 - Posted: 3 Jul 2012, 1:33:54 UTC - in response to Message 1254577.
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Hey, Johnny's being pulling our legs for an awfully long time now, he'll
fess up to this in the end.

Ahhhhh......Nick cracked it in the end, clever boy Nick. You were able to see through all the bull i was feeding you, weren't you Nick. You must have gone to collage or something like that Nick.

Yep, i made the whole thing up just to get ye all going! I was even going to try to sell books to everyone here. I been sneakly hanging out here for years now trying to sell books to everyone. But Nick cought me in the end.

I mean, for God's sake, did ye really all believe me when i told ye that i had "actually found God". Pull the other leg and i will fall over.

But you got to admit, i had you guys going there at one stage! LOL

Yep, there is no doubt, the Higgs Boson is real! Its so real i might be able to buy a few in the shops next week.
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Message 1254868 - Posted: 3 Jul 2012, 2:51:55 UTC

Tevatron says they have reached 2.9 sigma. Now wait for CERN.
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Message 1254959 - Posted: 3 Jul 2012, 9:24:59 UTC

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Message 1254972 - Posted: 3 Jul 2012, 10:02:09 UTC - in response to Message 1254959.

Tevatron says they have reached 2.9 sigma. Now wait for CERN.


sigma of 2.9 is better than 99%. 5 sigma is better than 1 part per million error chance.

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Message 1255033 - Posted: 3 Jul 2012, 13:10:56 UTC - in response to Message 1254830.

... I mean, for God's sake, ...

You can still write your book...

Note that films have been made out of less material!


Keep searchin'
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Message 1255082 - Posted: 3 Jul 2012, 15:08:50 UTC
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Whatever is to be announced about the Higgs boson, it will be done at 07:00 Universal Time, tomorrow, Jul. 4. Link to website carrying the announcement live:http://webcast.web.cern.ch/webcast/# I suspect that the site may be overloaded at that time, and so, difficult to connect to.

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Message 1255164 - Posted: 3 Jul 2012, 22:01:37 UTC - in response to Message 1255033.
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... I mean, for God's sake, ...

You can still write your book...

Note that films have been made out of less material!


Keep searchin'
Martin

Martin,
What i said here about the Higgs Boson not existing, i still stand over it. The Higgs Boson is NOT part of my research. But from the results of my physics research, i know it does not exist. Its just one of the consequences of the physics discovery i made.

Among the other consequences, and as i mentioned here before, there are no black holes, there is no dark matter, there is no dark energy, there are no singularities, and the universe did NOT start with the so called "Big Bang". Astronomers say today that the matter we observe with astronomical telescopes is only about 4% of the universe. I say thats wrong. We can see the whole lot, we can see the full 100%. I found the error that has existed since the time of Isaac Newton. An error that even Einstein could not solve. Well i solved it. I found out what Gravity really is! When you people find out what Gravity really is, then you will know i was correct!

I attempted to publish my physics results in a physics journal, and i found i was blocked because i didn't go to university. Apparently the "acedimics" want to reserve the science journals of the world for the upper classes. Well in your face, i cracked the problem! This is my skill in life, i solve problems. And i'm dam good at it!

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Message 1255230 - Posted: 4 Jul 2012, 1:14:48 UTC

Go to the Science/Astronomy picture of the day thread and you can see a picture of black hole Cygnus X-1 taken by the NuSTAR X-ray telescope.
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Message 1255264 - Posted: 4 Jul 2012, 4:06:21 UTC - in response to Message 1255230.
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Go to the Science/Astronomy picture of the day thread and you can see a picture of black hole Cygnus X-1 taken by the NuSTAR X-ray telescope.
Tullio

Ahhhhh Tullio, i'm disappointed with you. Tullio your a physicist, with at least a degree in physics. Tullio of all the people who post messages here, you should be the one who states things clearly. Tullio do i really need to remind you that black hole "theory" clearly states that NOTHING, even light cannot escape from a black hole. That is simple black hole science.

I looked at the so called black hole picture in the astronomy picture thread here; http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=20748

Tullio that picture is NOT a picture of a black hole!! And lets be very clear about that!! Its a picture of "stuff", matter and electromagnetic radiation being "ejected" out of an area that astronomers describe as a black hole. But you are NOT seeing the black hole itself. The bright bit you see in the image is normal everyday matter, atoms, molecules and bits of asteroid being lit up by radiation ejected from the so called black hole.

Anyway, CERN will be making their announcement in a short while, let's see what they have to say about Higgs Bosons. I will be watching it live fro the CERN webcast; http://webcast.web.cern.ch/webcast/#

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Message 1255290 - Posted: 4 Jul 2012, 6:16:58 UTC - in response to Message 1255264.

Matter falling in a black hole from an accretion disk is heated to high temperatures and emits X-rays.This is what NuSTAR sees.
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Message 1255296 - Posted: 4 Jul 2012, 6:36:06 UTC - in response to Message 1255290.

LHC data confirm discovery, but not identity, of Higgs-like entity.


The Cern laboratory may have let slip its biggest breakthrough in a generation after appearing to announce the discovery of a new particle in an online video
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this part might be true.

But although their results are said to be strong enough to claim an official discovery, the scientists will avoid doing so because they remain unsure whether the particle they have found is indeed the Higgs.

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Message 1255298 - Posted: 4 Jul 2012, 6:48:59 UTC - in response to Message 1255296.

Let's go back in time 2011. Read comments on The Higgs Boson.



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Message 1255300 - Posted: 4 Jul 2012, 6:59:41 UTC - in response to Message 1255298.


live video courtesy of CERN, copyright CERN 2012

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Message 1255320 - Posted: 4 Jul 2012, 7:57:25 UTC

Somebody ought to save all this to play back ten years from now.
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Message 1255337 - Posted: 4 Jul 2012, 8:44:58 UTC - in response to Message 1255298.

From what I heard from the webcast:
CMS 125.3 GeV at 4.9 sigma
ATLAS 126.5 GeV at 5.0 sigma

Only criticism: we Test4Theory@home volunteers never mentioned.
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Message 1255345 - Posted: 4 Jul 2012, 9:04:44 UTC

As far as I can gather they are as sure as they can be that they have found a new particle with a 4.9 Sigma certainty. However they say more research needs to be done to determine of it IS the Higgs Boson or some other exotic particle. For all intents and purposes they do believe they have found the Higgs, but Science needs more proof.

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Message 1255387 - Posted: 4 Jul 2012, 10:53:38 UTC
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/large-hadron-collider/9374788/Higgs-Boson-announcement-from-Cern-LIVE.html
The interesting thing here is that if this is not the Higgs Boson then they
have discovered something even more profound in science...yup, an unexpected
new type Bosun.
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Message 1255432 - Posted: 4 Jul 2012, 14:23:18 UTC

I sat through all the presentations this morning. There were 2 presentations, one by the CMS team, and one by the Atlas team. That was followed by the press conference.

The first 2 teams of scientists utterly baffled me with some of the most blinding mathematics i have ever heard in my life. It was extremely difficult to weed out any simple information from the presentations. It was immensely complex science.

The press conference afterwards was not too bad. They seemed to be talking plain English at that. I did get a few snip-its of info from that press conference.

They do seem to have enough evidence to support a new "Higgs like" particle.

But its very far from explaining the force we call gravity.

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Message 1255444 - Posted: 4 Jul 2012, 14:54:16 UTC

But its very far from explaining the force we call gravity.

Be patient, John; Rome wasn't built in a day! Give it until the weekend,
they may have Gravity sorted out by then...he-he...

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Message 1255465 - Posted: 4 Jul 2012, 16:13:30 UTC
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That is the big problem. Three interactions, nuclear strong, electromagnetic and nuclear weak, are included in the Standard Model. Gravity is not and is still a kind of island. Even Einstein failed in his unified field theory, although that included only em and gravity, not the nuclear forces. Perhaps we need a new Einstein more than a new accelerator.
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