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Message 1250186 - Posted: 23 Jun 2012, 0:07:17 UTC
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I just wondered how 130 groups worldwide and countless other like Stanton Friedman and. All of them share the same photos the same videos and all of have proven eaxactly nothing. Nothing you could hang in the Smithstonian Air and Space museam and say yup, thats a UFO. Stanton Friedman and people like Bill Birnes from UFO hunters spent a great portion of their lives trying to prove UFO existance and proved exactly nothing. Stanton every one of his lectures he badmouths SETI. This guy has made a fortune and has been to all 50 states and 16 countries. Hes made a fortune by declaration by proclaimation < his favorite line. Now when they go probing classified area like dugway and Area 51 the government draws the line and slams the dor on any disclosure of anything. All these people do is try to sell books and maintain on the lecture circut $195.00 off the street Students 145.00. Im in the wrong line of work dont havta prove anything.

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Message 1250346 - Posted: 23 Jun 2012, 8:58:53 UTC

I think we need to re-visit what a UFO is. It is an Unidentified Flying Object. i.e.an object that has been observed but cannot be explained or identified. It does not necessarily HAVE to be of extraterrestrial origin just because it cannot be explained, it could be a secret government project.

But of course in everyday use the term UFO is synonymous with ET's and always will be.

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Message 1250430 - Posted: 23 Jun 2012, 15:06:21 UTC - in response to Message 1250346.

I think we need to re-visit what a UFO is. It is an Unidentified Flying Object. i.e.an object that has been observed but cannot be explained or identified. It does not necessarily HAVE to be of extraterrestrial origin just because it cannot be explained, it could be a secret government project.

But of course in everyday use the term UFO is synonymous with ET's and always will be.

Heck, they were calling a drone on a flatbed truck a UFO a couple weeks ago. Not even flying.

I still remember a news clip from TV some year back. A UFOlogist was saying this group of three lights jerking around the sky in perfect formation was proof of ET visiting. Well at one spot the TV engineer when playing the clip "uncrushed the black" or "made it brighter" and you could then see the outline of the airliner. It was a hand held shot of a airliner using a long telephoto lens. Yet this expert kept on with this as proof positive of us being visited by ET. All I could think of is con man. Perhaps better he steal this way than using a Nigerian scheme.

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Message 1250435 - Posted: 23 Jun 2012, 15:27:51 UTC
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All I could think of is con man. Perhaps better he steal this way than using a Nigerian scheme.


No worse than any cleric, priest, minister or other holy man.

These individuals tend to be well educated so I think that they really do know better, and that what they are putting down is pure and utter nonsense for which there is a huge market and monetary reward.

People want to believe in something more than what is factually or perceptably "real".

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Message 1251017 - Posted: 24 Jun 2012, 20:01:42 UTC - in response to Message 1250346.

You totaly right:) some year's before in the 80-90's are a wave of BLACK TRIANGLE sightings,
today we know that was from Lockheed Martin TR-3/b Astra,
by typing it by google your will find some informations about it.
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Message 1251305 - Posted: 25 Jun 2012, 14:32:40 UTC

And why people ignore these credible military officers' claim on the phenomenon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jUU4Z8QdHI

Either these military officers are shameless liers or the debunkers are shameless ignorant sheep.
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Message 1251347 - Posted: 25 Jun 2012, 15:49:02 UTC - in response to Message 1251305.

And why people ignore these credible military officers' claim on the phenomenon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jUU4Z8QdHI

Either these military officers are shameless liers or the debunkers are shameless ignorant sheep.


What makes them credible? Just because they're in the military? Even intelligent people are not immune to delusions or being fooled.

Don't be an ignorant sheep; don't fall for the worst kind of evidence: eye-witness reports.

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Message 1251680 - Posted: 26 Jun 2012, 4:37:41 UTC - in response to Message 1251347.
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And why people ignore these credible military officers' claim on the phenomenon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jUU4Z8QdHI

Either these military officers are shameless liers or the debunkers are shameless ignorant sheep.


What makes them credible? Just because they're in the military? Even intelligent people are not immune to delusions or being fooled.

Don't be an ignorant sheep; don't fall for the worst kind of evidence: eye-witness reports.


Yeah from every military branches especially from Air force and Nuclear ICBM Command officers all at same time get haluscinating is very interesting isn't it?!

Compare to other job sectors military personnel is supposedly most mentally toughened breeds to survive extreme conditions so I'd prefer not to ignore them.
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Message 1251778 - Posted: 26 Jun 2012, 11:38:25 UTC - in response to Message 1251680.

And why people ignore these credible military officers' claim on the phenomenon: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jUU4Z8QdHI

Either these military officers are shameless liers or the debunkers are shameless ignorant sheep.


What makes them credible? Just because they're in the military? Even intelligent people are not immune to delusions or being fooled.

Don't be an ignorant sheep; don't fall for the worst kind of evidence: eye-witness reports.


Yeah from every military branches especially from Air force and Nuclear ICBM Command officers all at same time get haluscinating is very interesting isn't it?!

Compare to other job sectors military personnel is supposedly most mentally toughened breeds to survive extreme conditions so I'd prefer not to ignore them.


Well then that's your first mistake. Just because they're trained to be mentally tough, doesn't mean they can't suffer from delusions. If the military were as tough as you suggest, then none of them would ever suffer PTSD after war. The military are not super-humans, they're ordinary people.

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Message 1252087 - Posted: 27 Jun 2012, 13:40:15 UTC
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This cool Star Wars movie can Tulio translate it for curious viewers: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KExx_T4SSds Sounds like italian. :)
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Message 1252089 - Posted: 27 Jun 2012, 13:47:28 UTC - in response to Message 1252087.

No, I think it is Spanish.
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Message 1252100 - Posted: 27 Jun 2012, 14:11:33 UTC - in response to Message 1251778.

Yes.

It is a general assumption that so-called "credible" witnesses are being ridiculed when being approached or confronted with the subject of UFO's and extraterrestrials.

I guess this will continue to be so.

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Message 1252103 - Posted: 27 Jun 2012, 14:23:50 UTC
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There is another latest multi witness Ufo incident was one at Chicago O'Hare Airport incident which pilots and airport workers like around 10 people at least saw and unanimously said seeing something saucer hanging on top of one terminal in the sky.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT3uGJQZuBg

And that giant Arizona flying V shaped thing that has thousands of witnesses which even harder case to be ridiculed than military mens claims.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtXuG4bsYfY
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Message 1252191 - Posted: 27 Jun 2012, 18:08:38 UTC - in response to Message 1252103.
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There is another latest multi witness Ufo incident was one at Chicago O'Hare Airport incident which pilots and airport workers like around 10 people at least saw and unanimously said seeing something saucer hanging on top of one terminal in the sky.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TT3uGJQZuBg


Right, because any Unidentified Flying Object must be of alien origin. The very fact that O'Hare officials weren't told about a government project must mean an alien cover-up.

Please re-read the links posted to Penn and Teller's Bullshit episode on Area 51.

And that giant Arizona flying V shaped thing that has thousands of witnesses which even harder case to be ridiculed than military mens claims.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtXuG4bsYfY


Why are these videos always at night? These people are chasing flares at night and trying to insist they're alien UFOs. Again, this has already been debunked or explained in the Penn and Teller videos linked elsewhere.

Eye witness reports of seeing "lights in the sky" are not evidence of alien UFO visitations.

[Edit] For your convenience, the Penn and Teller Bullshit episode dealing with alien conspiracy theories (they talk about Area 51, but it applies equally to all claims):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvLDdItltRo Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ptyKgp84hk Part 2

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Message 1252263 - Posted: 27 Jun 2012, 20:15:46 UTC - in response to Message 1252087.

That's CGI...,or any kind of photoshop to show an Saucer...,the Jet's&Heli are real.

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Message 1252350 - Posted: 27 Jun 2012, 23:29:01 UTC
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Now I suspect ozzfan is some form of Disinformation agent from CIA or NSA or some extreme Catholics church group.

Especially that Arizona case has even former Arizona governor bravely came forward to support Phoenix ufo case along with its thousands of residents.

Whatever powerful disinformation agent out here it is just meanengless to debunk a hard case with thousands of witnesses.
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Message 1252359 - Posted: 27 Jun 2012, 23:34:12 UTC

Now I suspect ozzfan is some form of Disinformation agent from CIA or NSA or some extreme Catholics church group.

Orgil, you need a reality check from your doc.

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Message 1252387 - Posted: 28 Jun 2012, 0:12:02 UTC - in response to Message 1252350.

Now I suspect ozzfan is some form of Disinformation agent from CIA or NSA or some extreme Catholics church group.


I'm a skeptic Atheist. I prefer hard evidence rather than eye-witness reports.

Especially that Arizona case has even former Arizona governor bravely came forward to support Phoenix ufo case along with its thousands of residents.


Yeah, no shortage of people looking for attention. I guess that's why he's a "former" governor.

Whatever powerful disinformation agent out here it is just meanengless to debunk a hard case with thousands of witnesses.


That's not really a "hard case". Lights in the sky means absolutely nothing. I live near Chicago O'Hare International and I know exactly what lights they're talking about.

I suppose with all the eye-witness reports of ghosts and spirits, that each one of those cases must be real too, right?

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Message 1252726 - Posted: 28 Jun 2012, 17:21:25 UTC
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If some of those UFO sightings were of alien origin then clearly they
do not wish to have any contact with us, so it seems. If they wish to learn something
about this planet Earth they certainly wont learn much by landing in obscure
remote regions devoid of any populous. If aliens do exist and they have been
regularly visiting this planet then I suspect then that as yet we don't know
about it. What we have seen so far under the banner of UFO'ism is not alien
in origin. For if some were, then they will know they have been seen so by now
will have fessed up to us/it.
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Message 1252756 - Posted: 28 Jun 2012, 17:48:35 UTC - in response to Message 1252103.

Time to put this one to bed: The lights in Phoenix were caused by OPFORS training from Luke AFB. Now to prove it at the start of the film where the lights first start appearing. As the lights appear count seconds at each light is a flare in a f16 magnesium flares on parachutes the amount is set by the pilot in 2 second intervals. Count them and prove me wrong. Too many excellant radars in that area to be anything else. Some can burn for quite some time. The flares are on a switch 2/4/6 second intervals on a F16 which they were using.
\Again just unidetifyiable lights at a distance at night.

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