The End of the Beginning......

Message boards : Politics : The End of the Beginning......

1 · 2 · 3 · 4 . . . 18 · Next

Author	Message
Sirius B Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 6665 Credit: 1,280,210 RAC: 712	Message 1240719 - Posted: 3 Jun 2012, 17:38:38 UTC
	After reading this report, left wondering... What would the effects be if the UK did sit it out on the sidelines? EU spinning out of control? ____________
	ID: 1240719 ·

Sirius B Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 6665 Credit: 1,280,210 RAC: 712	Message 1240726 - Posted: 3 Jun 2012, 17:50:17 UTC
	Euro losing ground? Markets finally waking up.... ____________
	ID: 1240726 ·

rob smith Volunteer moderator Send message Joined: 7 Mar 03 Posts: 5419 Credit: 20,230,232 RAC: 123,638	Message 1240730 - Posted: 3 Jun 2012, 18:00:28 UTC
	It the the demise of the Euro would be very disturbing for most world markets. Not the least of which would be the panic about what to panic about next. The Euro itself was a good idea, but very poorly executed at the outset, and poorly managed ever since. When we consider the monetary philosophies of Greece and Germany (to take two of the extremes) we see that they are mutually incompatible, one is "prudent", the other profligate, one highly disciplined, and the other rather unruly. There were bound to be stresses building up within the currencies, and in many respects I am amazed that it has stood so long before these stresses broke the system. Impact on the UK economy - very hard to predict, but certainly in the "not pleasant" category, and I don't think it will that good for the USofA, or China, or... But then, what do I know, I'm only an engineer.... ____________ Bob Smith Member of Seti PIPPS (Pluto is a Planet Protest Society) Somewhere in the (un)known Universe?
	ID: 1240730 ·

Sirius B Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 6665 Credit: 1,280,210 RAC: 712	Message 1240734 - Posted: 3 Jun 2012, 18:07:31 UTC - in response to Message 1240730.
	But then, what do I know, I'm only an engineer.... We could do with more "engineers" in power! When you find that something is not working, you delve into "Why not?" & then do your best to fix it & only use workarounds until you do. Britain can find no traction ____________
	ID: 1240734 ·

Sirius B Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 6665 Credit: 1,280,210 RAC: 712	Message 1240735 - Posted: 3 Jun 2012, 18:09:24 UTC
	At last, someone else on the same wavelength... "Europe cannot carry on attempting to build a 21st century economy with 19th century political building blocks. They only have to look across the English Channel to see that that won't work". source: Link in previous post. ____________
	ID: 1240735 ·

Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 2665 Credit: 1,502,236 RAC: 1,277	Message 1240743 - Posted: 3 Jun 2012, 18:16:30 UTC - in response to Message 1240719.
	After reading this report, left wondering... What would the effects be if the UK did sit it out on the sidelines? EU spinning out of control? It's not so much sitting out on the sidelines that counts here but making dam sure we don't sign up to this new finance treaty. The treaty binding us to pay virtually any amount of money as requested by Brussels to support other ECM countries financial problems. Clearly you can tie this treaty to "EU spinning out of control" factor for there's the reason why they need it. It can't be far off now when Cameron has to make the big decision, "Do I call for the referendum now"? I don't think that he has much choice in the matter for if he doesn't call it then he wont have the UK electorate behind him when things start to get really bad. If you have your electorate behind you then when things get bad all will accept the outcome. Without their blessings then serious unrest will occur. Why should we give more money to the PIGS who clearly don't intend to help their situation much, France soon to be included in this bunch. When we could be giving it directly to Ireland, who will need a bit more next year. Ireland the country who's electorate have voted for austerity measure because they know this is the only safe way forwards at the moment. Ireland's a safe bet here because they wont to help themselves pull through. ____________ The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.
	ID: 1240743 ·

Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 2665 Credit: 1,502,236 RAC: 1,277	Message 1240749 - Posted: 3 Jun 2012, 18:19:02 UTC - in response to Message 1240735.
	At last, someone else on the same wavelength... "Europe cannot carry on attempting to build a 21st century economy with 19th century political building blocks. They only have to look across the English Channel to see that that won't work". source: Link in previous post. Hey Sirius, this is what I have been saying for quite some time now with Politicians running the UK as if it was still yester-year. ____________ The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.
	ID: 1240749 ·

Sirius B Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 6665 Credit: 1,280,210 RAC: 712	Message 1240750 - Posted: 3 Jun 2012, 18:24:04 UTC - in response to Message 1240749.
	Then you'll love this next link. It's a bit late but the content is still valid today....It just proves the point that politicians do not have the courage to accept responsibility for their own errors..just blame someone else.... Eurocrats blame the Yanks "When leaders announce that they intend, not to tackle a problem, but to regulate the way it is reported, you sense that the end is near". ____________
	ID: 1240750 ·

Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 2665 Credit: 1,502,236 RAC: 1,277	Message 1240754 - Posted: 3 Jun 2012, 18:28:56 UTC - in response to Message 1240726.
	Euro losing ground? Markets finally waking up.... Well Sirius, you know what the problem really is here? Brussels knows that the game is up but can't pull the plug until it has someone to blame for it all. Who's going to opt to be the fall-guy here? Well, Churchill's dead so we can't call on him, Maggie unfortunately hasn't got her marbles no more so it looks like it's down to you and me. I'll see if I can knock a letter up and send it off to Brussels telling them in no uncertain terms to.....OFF - we're out. ____________ The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.
	ID: 1240754 ·

Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 2665 Credit: 1,502,236 RAC: 1,277	Message 1240759 - Posted: 3 Jun 2012, 18:41:41 UTC - in response to Message 1240750. Last modified: 3 Jun 2012, 18:43:01 UTC
	Then you'll love this next link. It's a bit late but the content is still valid today....It just proves the point that politicians do not have the courage to accept responsibility for their own errors..just blame someone else.... Eurocrats blame the Yanks "When leaders announce that they intend, not to tackle a problem, but to regulate the way it is reported, you sense that the end is near". Ah-ha, as suspected, we are to be the fall-guys and interestingly too the Yanks as well. So Brussels is just waiting for us to call a referendum and if we vote to leave then we can be blamed for the following ECM financial turmoils. Good! lets do it and strange as it may seem years down the line the UK will become respected more because of this action. ____________ The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.
	ID: 1240759 ·

Sirius B Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 6665 Credit: 1,280,210 RAC: 712	Message 1240762 - Posted: 3 Jun 2012, 18:44:24 UTC
	It looks like the crisis is crossing the pond.... Barack Obama - Eurocrisis hitting our jobs IMF tells Georgie boy to implement Plan B I hope she meant this type of Plan B....Bailout Chaps ____________
	ID: 1240762 ·

Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 2665 Credit: 1,502,236 RAC: 1,277	Message 1240763 - Posted: 3 Jun 2012, 18:45:01 UTC
	How long, Sirius; before you recall this thread, "The beginning of the end".. another Churchillian saying. ____________ The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.
	ID: 1240763 ·

Sirius B Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 6665 Credit: 1,280,210 RAC: 712	Message 1240764 - Posted: 3 Jun 2012, 18:47:34 UTC - in response to Message 1240763.
	Nope, stage 1 has ended, we're now at stage 2... the way things are heading I can't see stage 3 anytime soon. ____________
	ID: 1240764 ·

Sirius B Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 6665 Credit: 1,280,210 RAC: 712	Message 1240766 - Posted: 3 Jun 2012, 18:53:36 UTC - in response to Message 1240759.
	Ah-ha, as suspected, we are to be the fall-guys and interestingly too the Yanks as well. So Brussels is just waiting for us to call a referendum and if we vote to leave then we can be blamed for the following ECM financial turmoils. Good! lets do it and strange as it may seem years down the line the UK will become respected more because of this action. Now if only......... ____________
	ID: 1240766 ·

Sirius B Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 6665 Credit: 1,280,210 RAC: 712	Message 1240767 - Posted: 3 Jun 2012, 18:58:29 UTC
	I think that Spain's, & others, banks can learn a lesson from this..... at least one part of Spain bucking the economic gloom ____________
	ID: 1240767 ·

Sirius B Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 6665 Credit: 1,280,210 RAC: 712	Message 1240769 - Posted: 3 Jun 2012, 19:05:19 UTC
	With all the "to & Fro'ing" that has occurred in this crisis, this is an excellent report. The facts are clear.. ____________
	ID: 1240769 ·

Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 2665 Credit: 1,502,236 RAC: 1,277	Message 1240770 - Posted: 3 Jun 2012, 19:09:06 UTC - in response to Message 1240762.
	It looks like the crisis is crossing the pond.... Barack Obama - Eurocrisis hitting our jobs IMF tells Georgie boy to implement Plan B I hope she meant this type of Plan B....Bailout Chaps Your attachments don't work.... Lack of home consumption too is also hitting the American economy. Obama is a bit naughty by putting emphasis on the ECM countries financial debacles. Anyone with an ounce of common sense will know that the world was well overdue a financial set back. Some, like me, stated that we were well overdue a depression. So what has happened today was always going to happen irrespective of who supposedly started it off. You can't stave off recessions or depressions for ever by the use of easy money pumped in to the system. Excesses build up in all healthy economies, and in all healthy economies these excesses top out in time leading to recessions/depressions. The only way to avoid these set-backs is by dismantling the capitalist system, now who's going to do this. Where you support the debt you just prolong the eventual suffering and this is what the western nation has been doing. The whole caboodle started to go wrong around about year 2000. Had governments then just stood back and allowed the excessive to bleed out of the system then all of this would have been over several years ago. But through governments interference this debacle is going to last right through to 2016, and you'll know when the end game has played out...the stock markets are going to go "Boooooom"!! inwardly. ____________ The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.
	ID: 1240770 ·

Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 2665 Credit: 1,502,236 RAC: 1,277	Message 1240771 - Posted: 3 Jun 2012, 19:11:35 UTC - in response to Message 1240769.
	With all the "to & Fro'ing" that has occurred in this crisis, this is an excellent report. The facts are clear.. No different to that which occurred in America during the depression of the thirties... ____________ The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.
	ID: 1240771 ·

Nick Send message Joined: 11 Oct 11 Posts: 2665 Credit: 1,502,236 RAC: 1,277	Message 1240772 - Posted: 3 Jun 2012, 19:13:58 UTC - in response to Message 1240767.
	I think that Spain's, & others, banks can learn a lesson from this..... at least one part of Spain bucking the economic gloom I bet it's gone broke by 2016.... ____________ The Kite Fliers -------------------- Kite fliers: An imaginary club of solo members, those who don't yet belong to a formal team so "fly their own kites" - as the saying goes.
	ID: 1240772 ·

Sirius B Volunteer tester Send message Joined: 26 Dec 00 Posts: 6665 Credit: 1,280,210 RAC: 712	Message 1240779 - Posted: 3 Jun 2012, 19:31:35 UTC - in response to Message 1240772.
	I don't know so much...food & clothing will always be needed. Probably a restructure rather than a bankruptcy. ____________
	ID: 1240779 ·

1 · 2 · 3 · 4 . . . 18 · Next

Message boards : Politics : The End of the Beginning......