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Message 1293914 - Posted: 11 Oct 2012, 20:22:12 UTC - in response to Message 1293909.

Yes, very thought provoking:

Nancy Lieder claims to have a stranglehold on the truth, and that "if any human theory differs, it is wrong", and has a page dedicated to the accuracy of the Zeta predictions. Of course, her fallback position is that she obtains special knowledge from her communications with the Zetas. Unfortunately for Nancy, the Zetas apparently tell her a lot of things that are just plain wrong, or that were claims made long before the Zetas ever came along.

Examples of Errors
Nancy and the Zetas claim that Stonehenge is older than the 12th planet, and that it survived prior cataclysms because it was placed in solid rock. Unfortunately, the modern view of Stonehenge is a reconstruction. Reconstructions were performed at the Stonehenge site several times between 1901 and 1958, and many of the stones are now set in concrete.
They claimed that the comet of the century, Hale-Bopp, didn't exist. Unfortunately Nancy missed this extraordinary event, deliberately, since she refused to go outside and look at it. Later she (or they) admitted it was a lie. The purpose of this deception was to somehow lay a 'trip point' to disrupt "the establishment".
Lieder makes basic errors in terminology, and is then unable to address simple questions about simple astronomy concepts
In a nutshell (pun intended) the Hale-Bopp conversation on Sci.Astro went something like this:

NL (1995): Hale-Bopp is a hoax.
SA (1995): No, it's a comet. We can see it.
NL (1995): No, you can't, you're part of the hoax. It's an exploding star.
SA (1997): We have two years of tracking data. It's a comet.
NL (1997): No, NASA is slipping in tracking data to deceive you and align with a real comet.
SA (1997): Yes, it's a real comet!
NL (2002): You only think I was wrong, but really I was lying to you, so the Zetas were right again!
SA (2002): ???

How this benefited anyone is an open question, as is how anyone can believe anything from Lieder anymore.

Examples of claims that were taken from or predated by other sources
The Zetas themselves: The abduction reports of Barney and Betty Hill (1961) and the appearance of the 'Grays' from Whitley Strieber's Communion (1987) Pole Shifts: Immanuel Velikovsky: Worlds in Collision (1950), Ages in Chaos (1952), Earth In Upheaval (1956), Oedipus and Akhnaton (1960), Peoples of the Sea (1977), Ramses II and His Times (1978), Mankind in Amnesia (1982), Stargazers and Gravediggers (1983). Edgar Cayce (1930). Len Kasten Pole Shift Revisited (1980).
12th Planet/Planet X: Zecharia Sitchin The 12th Planet (1976)
The Planet X Scenario: The cartoon "Thundar the Barbarian" (1980) (possibly influenced by Sitchin)
STO/STS: Service to Others, (good) and Service to Self, (bad) These concepts are common. They are called 'egoism' (the self) and 'altruism', (the self serving the other). These are contained in social theories stemming as far back in time as the ancient Greeks and are contained in the teachings of various religions and belief systems as diverse as Paganism, Yoga, Islam, Buddhism, Christianity, humanism, etc., etc. Nothing new here.
It appears that Nancy and the Zetas are taking credit for co-opting pre-existing ideas.


Unfortunately a lot of misguided people tend to give far more credence to claims without proof, usually because they want to believe it.

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Message 1293958 - Posted: 11 Oct 2012, 22:38:07 UTC - in response to Message 1293914.

Yes, very thought provoking:

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Unfortunately a lot of misguided people tend to give far more credence to claims without proof, usually because they want to believe it.

Hey! We'll have to stop agreeing like this...

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Message 1294128 - Posted: 12 Oct 2012, 10:46:10 UTC


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Message 1295618 - Posted: 15 Oct 2012, 15:55:35 UTC

We will not die with the sun. As we know, the sun will become a red giant after approx. 10 billion years. TEN BILLION YEARS! I think the first human on a so called "exoplanet" will be real in maybe 170-400 years, if we compare the 18th century and and our technical advancement today. We will find the secrets of dark matter and how to use it for our good.
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Message 1295661 - Posted: 15 Oct 2012, 17:12:20 UTC

Humans will have long destroyed themselves and earth in 10 billion years...
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Message 1297681 - Posted: 21 Oct 2012, 18:41:57 UTC - in response to Message 1295661.

Ready???


Two Months 'Til Doomsday? Mayan Apocalypse Set for Dec. 21

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Message 1297693 - Posted: 21 Oct 2012, 19:16:02 UTC

Ready???

Yeah, I'm ready to party, you?

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Message 1297702 - Posted: 21 Oct 2012, 20:19:51 UTC

so close !!
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Message 1297704 - Posted: 21 Oct 2012, 20:22:11 UTC
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The main reason for why we still are searching is because we happen to know about ourselves.

We are trying to put a definition of our existence into a broader context where we possibly can explain both unexplained things in nature as well as our own presence here on earth within the same surroundings.

We are mostly bound to this earth because of gravity and also because our recent ancestors were either stone age man or farmers at best.

Really, the most recent ice age ended only some 8,000 to 10,000 years ago. Many people likely froze to their deaths even in caves and wearing fur or coat from animals which were killed for food and the like by means of a spear.

Even today everything is not successful when it gets to a possible outcome of certain or specific things.

Blame poor economic times perhaps, but most people do not get to the point where they are looking at a possible "overkill" when it comes to possible purchases.

Maybe such a thing will come along with me. I happened to end up a little better off in the end. I got quite a bit of software in my hands - the only thing that is needed is the right hardware in order to get everything working.

But is history meant to perhaps be having a surprise in hand for us in the sleeves? There is speculation around that the world will possibly end on December 21, 2012.

Does anyone happen to know?

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Message 1297785 - Posted: 22 Oct 2012, 4:11:12 UTC - in response to Message 1297693.

Ready???

Yeah, I'm ready to party, you?



Ready!
Let's break out the booze and have a ball.

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Message 1297835 - Posted: 22 Oct 2012, 10:58:11 UTC - in response to Message 1297785.

Ready???

Yeah, I'm ready to party, you?



Ready!
Let's break out the booze and have a ball.


Count me in:)
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Message 1297882 - Posted: 22 Oct 2012, 14:38:32 UTC

But is history meant to perhaps be having a surprise in hand for us in the sleeves? There is speculation around that the world will possibly end on December 21, 2012.

Does anyone happen to know?

Wow! really? No, absolutely none of us knew anything at all about this ..... I think you should go public with the news, the world needs to know!

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Message 1297929 - Posted: 22 Oct 2012, 17:44:59 UTC - in response to Message 1297882.

But is history meant to perhaps be having a surprise in hand for us in the sleeves? There is speculation around that the world will possibly end on December 21, 2012.

Does anyone happen to know?

Wow! really? No, absolutely none of us knew anything at all about this ..... I think you should go public with the news, the world needs to know!




Lol:))
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Message 1299877 - Posted: 28 Oct 2012, 18:40:07 UTC - in response to Message 1290893.

T-Minus 55 Days to the biggest booze-up on the planet




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Message 1307865 - Posted: 19 Nov 2012, 20:37:05 UTC - in response to Message 1299877.

T-Minus 32 Days to the biggest booze-up on the planet






Oh dear, seems the French government are running scared :)

French ban access to "Sacred" mountain
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Message 1308064 - Posted: 20 Nov 2012, 10:36:04 UTC

Everybody of us has his own "sacred mountain". The Slovenians have the Triglav, which they all must ascend once in their lives. Mine is the Jof Fuart, in the Alpi Giulie, where I fell in love with a girl and lost some of my friends in difficult winter climbs.
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Message 1308089 - Posted: 20 Nov 2012, 13:08:26 UTC

Rumours say the mountain will burst open on December 21 to reveal an alien spaceship which will save those nearby from the apocalypse


LOL! People are making a lot of money on all this stuff!

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Message 1308094 - Posted: 20 Nov 2012, 13:50:55 UTC - in response to Message 1308089.

Rumours say the mountain will burst open on December 21 to reveal an alien spaceship which will save those nearby from the apocalypse


LOL! People are making a lot of money on all this stuff!




I'd say...
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Message 1308172 - Posted: 20 Nov 2012, 22:58:44 UTC - in response to Message 1308089.

Rumours say the mountain will burst open on December 21 to reveal an alien spaceship which will save those nearby from the apocalypse

Hmm,
The only kind of mountain i know of that bursts open is a volcano and i consider it best practice for a long life to be on another continent when it happens . . .

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Message 1308355 - Posted: 21 Nov 2012, 14:31:25 UTC - in response to Message 1308094.
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Rumours say the mountain will burst open on December 21 to reveal an alien spaceship which will save those nearby from the apocalypse


LOL! People are making a lot of money on all this stuff!




I'd say...

Could have an effect on the Christmas shopping trade? No point in spending out
on pressies if all is going to be blown apart before any of it gets unwrapped
on the 25th. After this 2012 scare is over then what is the next apocalypse
on the agenda to have to put up with.
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