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Message 1260921 - Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 0:32:14 UTC - in response to Message 1260905.

Well americans largely spun off from irish and english maybe most of those ufo and alien myths and rumoring traditions likely have been passed from continent to continent and across those nationalities generations.

For example the great honorable Mr.George Bush jr is all english maybe with some irish mix.

You could be right Orgil!

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Message 1260943 - Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 2:40:20 UTC - in response to Message 1260921.
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Well americans largely spun off from irish and english maybe most of those ufo and alien myths and rumoring traditions likely have been passed from continent to continent and across those nationalities generations.

For example the great honorable Mr.George Bush jr is all english maybe with some irish mix.

You could be right Orgil!

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One more Jimmy Carter who is openly UFO fact supporter first president I am wildly guessing that he might have english and irish ethnicity too. (not much of asian ethnicity seemingly)

I personally side with him in this case on the side note.

Carters original UFO filing: http://theshadowlands.net/jcufo.jpg

http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/pictures/CarterReport2.jpg

He later said, "It was the darndest thing I've ever seen. It was big, it was very bright, it changed colors and it was about the size of the moon.. We watched it for ten minutes, but none of us could figure out what it was. One thing's for sure, I'll never make fun of people who say they've seen unidentified objects in the sky."

http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case294.htm

Considering his acts of installing solar cells on top of white house maybe he was 25 years ahead of his time in some fronts. Not too bad geekish politician in geekish measurements. But for Ozzfan and his company he is another retarded person supporting Ufo facts and installing solar cells on top of political building during the cold war I guess.



His on Larry King video admiting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f52KkM9i33c
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Message 1260964 - Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 4:02:43 UTC - in response to Message 1260905.
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Well americans largely spun off from irish and english maybe most of those ufo and alien myths and rumoring traditions likely have been passed from continent to continent and across those nationalities generations.

For example the great honorable Mr.George Bush jr is all english maybe with some irish mix.

You are forgetting the Italians. About 20 million Americans came from Italy. I heard writer Gay Talese this morning on UNINETTUNO cultural TV channel saying that while they have met success in music and cinema there are few Italian-American writers. He says that this comes from ancestral fears of putting themselves and their family in danger. I am too an American-Italian since I spent a year at Thomas Jefferson School in St.Louis. No, I don't believe in UFOS.
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Message 1261030 - Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 6:59:29 UTC
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Orgil,
Your not beyond suspicion here my friend. What do you people get up to living way up in the mountains of Mongolia! Orgil those mountains of outer Mongolia sound like the perfect place to hide alien spacecraft!! Are you behind this whole UFO thing?

So Orgil i'm suspicious of you buddy! Are you part of this conspiracy too! Your probably organising the whole UFO thing from up there in the mountains. Probably trading SETI information with the Russians and the Chinese too :)....LOL We know what your doing, we're watching you!

John :)
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Message 1261124 - Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 14:20:48 UTC - in response to Message 1260943.

But for Ozzfan and his company he is another retarded person supporting Ufo facts and installing solar cells on top of political building during the cold war I guess.


I prefer not to use pejorative terms such as "retarded" to describe people who subscribe to conspiracy theories. I think people who believe in UFO conspiracy theories are intelligent and creative people who have simply got themselves wrapped up in a bunch of hearsay and unsubstantiated opinions and have lost all ability to use their critical thinking skills (if they ever developed them) to discern the facts from the fiction.

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Message 1261128 - Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 14:24:22 UTC
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We do not have any nuke bombs or nuke power plants here but plain eco industries here so probably Mr.Jimmy Carters green people are more attracted to nuke concentration rather than eco stuffs.

Since westerners are 90% religious that means that part of mass is even more vulnerable to believe in every kinds of religious "miracle facts" but here in this part of the world we ignore tons religion but we are little bit curious about non religious and non "scientific" things.

I mean even western scientists are seemingly 50% or more religious. Even most of universities there have own churches "for gods sake". So really scientific approach to certain phenomenons from the west is always doubtful considering the religious pollution.
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Message 1261133 - Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 14:58:28 UTC - in response to Message 1260964.
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Well americans largely spun off from irish and english maybe most of those ufo and alien myths and rumoring traditions likely have been passed from continent to continent and across those nationalities generations.

For example the great honorable Mr.George Bush jr is all english maybe with some irish mix.

You are forgetting the Italians. About 20 million Americans came from Italy. I heard writer Gay Talese this morning on UNINETTUNO cultural TV channel saying that while they have met success in music and cinema there are few Italian-American writers. He says that this comes from ancestral fears of putting themselves and their family in danger. I am too an American-Italian since I spent a year at Thomas Jefferson School in St.Louis. No, I don't believe in UFOS.
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Well the world is waiting for first italian american president so the dryness atmosphere probably thaw a few notches that turning into more italian rather anglo-saxian. Why kenian american has preceded 20 million group that is maybe a Ufo degree of mystery.
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Message 1261138 - Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 15:29:08 UTC - in response to Message 1261128.
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Johnney,
We do not have any nuke bombs or nuke power plants here but plain eco industries here so probably Mr.Jimmy Carters green people are more attracted to nuke concentration rather than eco stuffs.

Since westerners are 90% religious that means that part of mass is even more vulnerable to believe in every kinds of religious "miracle facts" but here in this part of the world we ignore tons religion but we are little bit curious about non religious and non "scientific" things.

I mean even western scientists are seemingly 50% or more religious. Even most of universities there have own churches "for gods sake". So really scientific approach to certain phenomenons from the west is always doubtful considering the religious pollution.

Interesting Orgil,
So what do you believe?
Do you believe in some type of God Orgil?
And if you don't, are their historical records from your countries history about a God-like creator creating your ancestors in the ancient past?
Some mythology from ancient Mongolia about Gods of some type or another?
You might have a different name for them. What about the Buddhist monks?

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Message 1261152 - Posted: 16 Jul 2012, 16:09:50 UTC - in response to Message 1261133.

Well, Nancy Pelosi could become the first Italian-American president and also the first woman president. Not all Italian women are actresses or TV stars, the spokesperson for the ATLAS experiment at CERN was Fabiola Gianotti and Captain Samantha Cristoforetti of the Italian Air Force is slated for a mission to the Internationali Space Station in 2014.
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Message 1261515 - Posted: 17 Jul 2012, 12:41:53 UTC - in response to Message 1261152.
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Well, Nancy Pelosi could become the first Italian-American president and also the first woman president. Not all Italian women are actresses or TV stars, the spokesperson for the ATLAS experiment at CERN was Fabiola Gianotti and Captain Samantha Cristoforetti of the Italian Air Force is slated for a mission to the Internationali Space Station in 2014.
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I'd say she is a fine public official.

but nobody is perfect: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bP3tk7XG31E Maybe that is why american voters wont give her a chance.
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Message 1261736 - Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 8:47:34 UTC

maybe my statement has nothing to do with the actuall discussion now in this thread...
in context to 'the subject of UFOs' i only can say that UFOs are mostly frauds, airplanes, strange meteorological phenomena, e.g. :-)
no visitors from outer space.... and no strange subjects like in "the X-files"

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Message 1261750 - Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 9:50:52 UTC

You may be correct Samuel, but it is very much like the God threads. There is no hard and fast evidence for or against, people will just have to believe what they want.

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Message 1261776 - Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 11:40:14 UTC - in response to Message 1261750.

It shouldn't be about "belief". It should be about where the empirical data leads us. Eye witnesses and blurry objects are not empirical evidence.

The problem is, there is no evidence for alien visitations, so there's no reason to believe it has actually happened.

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Message 1261800 - Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 12:59:07 UTC - in response to Message 1260943.
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Message 1261802 - Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 13:02:11 UTC - in response to Message 1260943.
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Now Ronald Reagan was another UFO fact supporter politician: http://science.howstuffworks.com/space/aliens-ufos/ronald-reagan-ufo.htm

He has even attempted to speak on UN assebmley: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QK-XATA-5gs He could have choose this speach on another big local or big international meeting but this occasion was UN assembley which is really weird case to ignore.

And my suspescion is this is why CIA tried to shut him down and did that mental health stuff. (well it sounds like conspiricy theory stuff but it is just my own guess)

He had even his personal psychic to end the cold war. Well that is another big subject I guess.


...Jimmy Carter who is openly UFO fact supporter first president ...

I personally side with him in this case on the side note.
Carters original UFO filing: http://theshadowlands.net/jcufo.jpg



http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/pictures/CarterReport2.jpg

He later said, "It was the darndest thing I've ever seen. It was big, it was very bright, it changed colors and it was about the size of the moon.. We watched it for ten minutes, but none of us could figure out what it was. One thing's for sure, I'll never make fun of people who say they've seen unidentified objects in the sky."

http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case294.htm


His on Larry King video admiting: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f52KkM9i33c

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Message 1261805 - Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 13:07:27 UTC
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Well americans 2 of your presidents spanning 12 years of kingship/presidentialers were on UFO fact side what and how will you criticize and ridicule them?!?!
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Message 1261807 - Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 13:11:36 UTC - in response to Message 1261805.
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Can you please point out where I've ridiculed or unjustly criticized anyone?

For the nth time, it doesn't matter if you're a US President, former military member, rock star, famous actor, governor, or some red neck from the woods. Claiming you believe in UFOs is not evidence of their visitations.

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Message 1261811 - Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 13:17:50 UTC
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Well anyways suddenly I have two fully credited shipmates, so comfortable. :)

both from either left wing and right wing political forces which is even a full circle.

Plus that Arizona former governer guy which is another open supporter he is kind of president material so maybe 3 fully credited public figures!!!

(well Carter and Reagan were successors and according to their claims UFO's shined nearby them and within 12 years of their presidentship the Cold War has ended) So perhaps was 2 american presidents plus 2 ufos inside job was to end the cold war?! ;)

(Now the dots are really got connected that from 1978-1990 the Berlin wall fell down influenced with 2 UFO guys!) ;)
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Message 1261820 - Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 13:29:06 UTC - in response to Message 1261811.
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Facts shouldn't be a popularity contest. It doesn't matter how many people you have "on your side". You need to have facts to backup your claims, not copious amounts of people. Lots of people believing the same incorrect idea does not make that idea correct.

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Message 1261824 - Posted: 18 Jul 2012, 13:50:58 UTC - in response to Message 1261807.
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Can you please point out where I've ridiculed or unjustly criticized anyone?
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LOL....thats a good one Ozzfan. You really do make me laugh. Your the one person here that ridicules everyone that dares to suggest anything outside the box.

You have a future in comedy Ozzfan! And another thing, what about putting you user name back in. Are you hiding from something?

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