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Message 1335876 - Posted: 8 Feb 2013, 19:20:21 UTC

As it stands now, if someone in genetic engineering decides that some Cat DNA encoding is beneficial to cows or pigs, it could very easily be moved to the
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Message 1338178 - Posted: 14 Feb 2013, 19:15:27 UTC

No surprise on how this one is developing, nor for what is beginning to be found now that a few checks are being made:


Horsemeat scandal: Government 'flat-footed' over crisis

... called for greater testing of products to reassure people there is not a threat to human health.

Food minister David Heath said three horses, slaughtered in the UK, had tested positive for bute and may have entered the food chain in France.

Responding to an urgent question in the House, he said tests for traces of bute in Findus products were negative.

A total of eight horse carcasses tested positive for phenylbutazone (bute), an anti-inflammatory painkiller used to treat horses which can in rare cases by harmful to humans if ingested. ...

... "It seems improbable that individuals prepared to pass horsemeat off as beef illegally are applying the high hygiene standards rightly required in the food production industry...



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Message 1338644 - Posted: 15 Feb 2013, 22:23:08 UTC

What surprises me is that NO retailer had apparently been testing the food they had been supplying to the public.

One, and only one retailer in the UK, the CO-OP, has said that they and only they must be responsible for supplying the public with food no one had any idea what it was and where it came from.

Personally I have no idea where to buy my food but what it actually means is no one in Europe, perhaps anywhere has any idea what they are actually eating!!!
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Message 1338731 - Posted: 16 Feb 2013, 4:01:44 UTC - in response to Message 1338644.

What surprises me is that NO retailer had apparently been testing the food they had been supplying to the public.

Why would they? Should they distrust their suppliers? If so just how much testing is needed? How many different things should they test for? What level constitutes pass/fail for each item they test for? How much product should they test? How often should they test? How fast should they get results? Isn't this really the job for a government department so that uniform standards are enforced?


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Message 1338737 - Posted: 16 Feb 2013, 4:12:22 UTC - in response to Message 1338731.

most of the government agencies responsible are appointed at the recommendations from lobbyists from those that would like to continue to feed you stuff you really do not want to know.. but you should trust because they have sunshine and singing birds in their advertisements. They are often there to serve the industry over the consumer. After all if it is bad for sales it must be bad for everyone.

Until the consumers stand up and say no more, the commercial food chain is russian roulette.

Buy as much local from people you know and trust as possible. Ask questions.. and listen between the lines. "We do not use ammoniated products in our ground beef" means we may have genetically engineered products of unknown origins in with gods know what and loaded with hormones and animal antibiotics that were treated with citric acid instead of ammonia at the factory that processes the beef-byproducts so we can slide them back into it.


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Message 1339553 - Posted: 20 Feb 2013, 4:50:41 UTC

From an email I received today :)

Let's go, Tesco

In the UK, some supermarkets have admitted that there is horse meat in their home cook burgers.
Even places like Burger King have had to admit that there are small amounts of horse meat in their burgers.
Tesco is a big supermarket chain in the UK.

Within hours of the news that Tesco's 'all beef hamburgers' contained 30% horse meat, these quips hit the internet

“I'm so hungry, I could eat a horse..... I guess Tesco just listened!

Anyone want a burger from Tesco? Yay or neigh?

Not entirely sure how Tesco are going to get over this hurdle.

Waitress in Tesco asked if I wanted anything on my Burger. So I had £5 each way!

Had some burgers from Tesco for my tea last night ...
I still have a bit between my teeth.

A woman has been taken into hospital after eating horse meat burgers from Tesco.
Her condition is said to be stable.

Tesco are now testing all their vegetarian burgers for traces of unicorn

"I've just checked the Tesco burgers in my freezer ... AND THEY'RE OFF"

Tesco now forced to deny presence of zebra in burgers, as shoppers confuse barcodes for serving suggestions.

Said to the missus, These Tesco burgers give me the trots....

"To beef or not to beef, that is equestrian".....

A cow walks into a bar.
Barman says, "Why the long face?"
Cow says "Illegal ingredients, coming over here stealing our jobs!"

I hear the smaller version of those Tesco burgers make great horse d'oeuvres.

These Tesco burger jokes are going on a bit....
Talk about flogging a dead horse!

The End???


Just wondering. Are there any known cases of people getting ill from this "scandal". It reminds me of an incident some years ago when some Australian "beef" exported to the US was found to contain kangaroo meat. There was a lot of hoo haa but nobody suffered any ill effects.

Methinks it's a bit of a storm in a teacup, afterall what doesn't kill you is edible.

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Message 1339568 - Posted: 20 Feb 2013, 5:39:08 UTC - in response to Message 1338737.

most of the government agencies responsible are appointed at the recommendations from lobbyists from those that would like to continue to feed you stuff you really do not want to know..

I had no idea you distrusted the government more than a right wing radical tea party member...

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Message 1339574 - Posted: 20 Feb 2013, 5:47:50 UTC - in response to Message 1339553.

Just wondering. Are there any known cases of people getting ill from this "scandal".

Don't know but very possible ...
http://www.ehow.com/about_6680849_horse-serum-allergies.html
might also sensitize people who might later need horse derived medicines.


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Message 1339610 - Posted: 20 Feb 2013, 6:59:34 UTC - in response to Message 1339568.
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most of the government agencies responsible are appointed at the recommendations from lobbyists from those that would like to continue to feed you stuff you really do not want to know..

I had no idea you distrusted the government more than a right wing radical tea party member...

The more involvement by businesses, the worse the government gets.

It is supposed to be of "the people". And I think we have made SOME progress to getting it back in recent years, a lot of regress is desired by the tea party. And a lot of regress was accomplished during the Dubya years. Same garbage/different day. Dig in.

Edit: I would LIKE a government that ensures the quality of our food supply. Sadly it does not, and it needs better regulation. Not by those trying to feed us this ...... STUFF.
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Message 1339684 - Posted: 20 Feb 2013, 14:43:20 UTC - in response to Message 1339610.

The more involvement by businesses, the worse the government gets.

It is supposed to be of "the people".

Didn't you hear, Citizens United, corporations are people, so say SCOTUS!

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Message 1339685 - Posted: 20 Feb 2013, 14:53:27 UTC - in response to Message 1339553.
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... Talk about flogging a dead horse!...

Just wondering. Are there any known cases of people getting ill from this "scandal". It reminds me of an incident some years ago when some Australian "beef" exported to the US was found to contain kangaroo meat. There was a lot of hoo haa but nobody suffered any ill effects.

Shouldn't that have been a Roo-Haa? Ha! ;-)


Of greater concern is that if there is fraud to dump 'other products' such as horse meat in with products that are not horse meat, there is also the high likelihood that anything that can be passed off as 'meat-like' from any unsavory source is likely included for cheap...

Including such as condemned meat...

Directly of concern for the horse meat is that some veterinary drugs used on animals are very unhealthy for human consumption... Especially so for old horses...


Go vegetarian, go healthy, and help save our planet also?

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Message 1340242 - Posted: 22 Feb 2013, 15:28:52 UTC

http://eatocracy.cnn.com/2013/02/21/seafood-fraud-study/?hpt=li_c1

It is amazing how much sea food there is that is farm raised and frozen. The practices used are often not only not sustainable, but unsafe and downright disgusting.
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Message 1340245 - Posted: 22 Feb 2013, 15:34:39 UTC

Let's just cut all the nonsense.
We can solve this whole problem by just renaming everything 'animal protein deemed safe enough for you to eat and not die'.
I dunno what the marketing people will be able to do with that one, however.
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Message 1340273 - Posted: 22 Feb 2013, 16:51:21 UTC - in response to Message 1339685.
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Go vegetarian, go healthy, and help save our planet also?

There were some ads running on TV here in Oz promoting the "Save the planet, go vegetarian" line.

They made me wonder. How much methane would 7 billion farting vegetarians produce and how much would that effect Climate Change ?

(Off topic I know, but Martin started it <grin> )

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Message 1340279 - Posted: 22 Feb 2013, 17:00:17 UTC - in response to Message 1340273.
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Go vegetarian, go healthy, and help save our planet also?

There were some ads running on TV here in Oz promoting the "Save the planet, go vegetarian" line.

They made me wonder. How much methane would 7 billion farting vegetarians produce and how much would that effect Climate Change ?

(Off topic I know, but Martin started it <grin> )

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It's the cows, man...it's the cows.
By eating them we save the planet from a sure methane death.
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Message 1340282 - Posted: 22 Feb 2013, 17:07:42 UTC

Apparently kangaroo don't pass anywhere near as much methane as cows, and their flesh has much less "nasty" fats in it. So perhaps we should get rid of cows and go for kangaroo instead?
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Message 1340288 - Posted: 22 Feb 2013, 17:14:46 UTC - in response to Message 1340282.

Apparently kangaroo don't pass anywhere near as much methane as cows, and their flesh has much less "nasty" fats in it. So perhaps we should get rid of cows and go for kangaroo instead?

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Message 1343337 - Posted: 6 Mar 2013, 0:39:16 UTC
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I have been slimed..
Then you don't want to read this.

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Message 1343389 - Posted: 6 Mar 2013, 6:58:25 UTC

it takes 10 pound of vegetable matter to make 1 lb of beef

so vegetarian to beef would be about ten to one

for pigs it is 3 lb of veg to 1 lb of meat

kangaroo don't know anybody got a number lol.
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Message 1343498 - Posted: 6 Mar 2013, 17:55:20 UTC - in response to Message 1343389.
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it takes 10 pound of vegetable matter to make 1 lb of beef

so vegetarian to beef would be about ten to one

for pigs it is 3 lb of veg to 1 lb of meat

kangaroo don't know anybody got a number lol.

This is also why animals that live on a vegetarian diet typically have large multichambered guts to process the food. Humans lack the teeth or gut of a herbivore to process a true vegetarian diet. Typical vegetarian diets require large quantities of vegetable matter to get the nutrients needed to live and grow. Luckily, humans are not herbivores, no matter what some humans seem to insist on doing
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