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Message 1160456 - Posted: 9 Oct 2011, 1:55:19 UTC - in response to Message 1160450.
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lets also not forget that nasty Galactic drift that moves stars around. After 5000 years nothing really lines up like it should


Skild', I remember watching a documentary about some of the pyramids lining up in such a way that they focused on Orion. They achieved this in this documentary by winding the celestial clock back several thousand years. To me all it proved was that the Egyptians found Orion important enough to focus upon. But as I have said on these threads quite recently the Egyptians like all of us past and present find/found the skies at night an area and topic of great fascination.

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Message 1160527 - Posted: 9 Oct 2011, 9:22:45 UTC

I do not believe that aliens built or designed the pyramids. I do feel however that the Egyptians who did, had knowlege to help them do that, which wouldn't have been expected at that point in their evolution.

We've all heard the folklore of secret chambers underneath the Sphinx etc which I do not believe, but it is all fascinating stuff. It's keeping all us lot amused and attentive at any rate!

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Message 1160588 - Posted: 9 Oct 2011, 15:00:10 UTC - in response to Message 1160456.

lets also not forget that nasty Galactic drift that moves stars around. After 5000 years nothing really lines up like it should


Skild', I remember watching a documentary about some of the pyramids lining up in such a way that they focused on Orion. They achieved this in this documentary by winding the celestial clock back several thousand years. To me all it proved was that the Egyptians found Orion important enough to focus upon. But as I have said on these threads quite recently the Egyptians like all of us past and present find/found the skies at night an area and topic of great fascination.


not only were they aligned to Orion, the sizes correspond to the size of the stars on Orions belt
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Message 1160592 - Posted: 9 Oct 2011, 15:08:49 UTC - in response to Message 1160588.

not only were they aligned to Orion, the sizes correspond to the size of the stars on Orions belt


Focused upon Orion may be because it was so prominent in the night sky, that would be one logical reason for their interest in it. Shall go youtube hunting for info on the Egyptians and their relationship with Orion.

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Message 1160597 - Posted: 9 Oct 2011, 15:30:13 UTC - in response to Message 1160592.

The ancient Egyptians and other ancient civilizations looked at celestial objects such as Sun, planets, and other stars as deities, things that helped guide their daily lives. Sad to see that there are television shows that try to emphasize that the monuments that Egyptians, Incas, Astecs, Sumarians, built were built by aliens. I wonder where these so called experts got their degrees, they got it from school of bad astronomy.

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Message 1160628 - Posted: 9 Oct 2011, 16:55:20 UTC - in response to Message 1159989.

"Aliens built the Pyramids! You can't prove they didn't!" --> Not a stalemate. The positive assertion must present suitable and testable evidence.

ex.
Positive Assertion: You can't prove that there is not a teapot in orbit between Earth and Mars.

Negative Assertion: There is no teapot in orbit between Earth and Mars.

Who must prove their point? Or at least demonstrate a substantive *physical* plausibility?

Hypotheses should be explored, but when no evidence or contradictory evidence is available, these hypotheses must be modified or relegated to the shelf of our own imagination. Sadly, some still claim the Earth is flat.



What if Giorgios hairdo where done by aliens.
There are no hairdresser in this world who can do such work.
To me that's a proof that aliens exists on the earth, even today.



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Message 1160645 - Posted: 9 Oct 2011, 17:43:43 UTC - in response to Message 1160592.
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Focused upon Orion may be because it was so prominent in the night sky, that would be one logical reason for their interest in it. Shall go youtube hunting for info on the Egyptians and their relationship with Orion.


Loads of goodly stuff to see on Youtube. One programme hosted by Charlton Heston reckons that the Earth's outer solid plate shifted around by 2000 miles thousands of years ago. Putting the lost civilisation of Atlanta plum where Antarctica sits today. Quite clearly one international scientific body needs to be formed here and do unified research regarding all aspects of our planet in hopes that we can un-muddy the waters here regarding what is fact and what is fiction. I wounder if we are heading into what will be known as the "Dark ages of Science" where no valuable discoveries ever get accepted, attributed or correctly classified as to what it is, where it came from and what it's telling us/showing us.

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Message 1160905 - Posted: 10 Oct 2011, 12:11:00 UTC - in response to Message 1160645.

I always thought the hieroglyphics image below was rather interesting. It looks like there is a sub, plane and a helicopter.







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Message 1160913 - Posted: 10 Oct 2011, 12:48:39 UTC - in response to Message 1160905.

I always thought the hieroglyphics image below was rather interesting. It looks like there is a sub, plane and a helicopter.







yes thats a nice pic of what is already know to be a wind scoured hieroglyph.

It has been presented by a few here that think it is some sort of sign that the Egyptians were able to fly or had knowledge of flight. Unfortunately, this is the only glyph with those symbols ever found and lets not forget that they are deteriorated from their original state.
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Message 1160928 - Posted: 10 Oct 2011, 13:57:00 UTC
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I think there are two classes of posters here.

    1. Those who do not want to find out that ET was here in the past, in case it upsets their cosy view of life.

    2. Those who do believe that ET was here at one time, and are imaginataive enough to want it confirmed.


Remember that final scene in Close Encounters? I would go in that saucer without hesitating, and I wouldn't look back ....

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Message 1160946 - Posted: 10 Oct 2011, 15:32:28 UTC - in response to Message 1160905.

I always thought the hieroglyphics image below was rather interesting. It looks like there is a sub, plane and a helicopter.






This plaque would have formed just a part of a much larger wall of inscriptions that would have needed to be read so to understand what was being portrayed overall. Also was this plaque scribed during a period when the Faeroe was the leading influence at this time or was it the religious leaders in control.
During periods when the Faeroe's controlled everything self enlightenment was the fore and self induced trances, usually via drugs concocted from the lotus plants and others, was undertaken on a regular basis and these plaque images may have come from one of these trances. Supposedly some Egyptologist's favour that these trances enabled the Egyptians to involves ways of constructing the pyramids to the standards of precision that they achieved? Still, did these images from that plaque evolve from a similar trance experienced at one time. We would need to see the whole of the walled inscription area and look to see if someone is holding a lotus up to their face. If the whole frescos do not include the blue lotus then the mystery images have not been generated whilst under a trance. If this whole fresco comes from the reign of Sethi Ist/Ramses IInd (father and son) then there's a much more logical explanation as to how these images became formed over time.

I don't believe aliens have visited this planet, yet my mind is very open to the contrary.

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Message 1161029 - Posted: 10 Oct 2011, 19:55:35 UTC
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Guys,
I have been carrying out my research now for over 10 months attempting to find flaws in my research. The more flaws i look for in my research, the more i only seem to find scientific evidence that my research is correct.

Guys i'm being really honest here. In the end, when the truth of my investigation eventually does go public, its going to be absolutely shocking to the scientific community. To be honest, i don't think the general public will bat an eyelid simply because they won't understand the work i'm about to publish. But anyone with a degree in any of the scientific disciplines will understand.

In the end, the true reality of what happened in ancient human history is going to be better than the best science fiction book you have ever read. My research is so shocking that i struggle to believe it myself.

All in due coarse,
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Message 1161130 - Posted: 11 Oct 2011, 1:58:56 UTC - in response to Message 1160928.

There is no scientific proof of ever Earth being visited by inteligent life from outesapce; until then, keep watching Star Treck, watchout for the those Borg, assimilation.

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Message 1161338 - Posted: 12 Oct 2011, 3:13:39 UTC - in response to Message 1160928.

I think there are two classes of posters here.

    1. Those who do not want to find out that ET was here in the past, in case it upsets their cosy view of life.

    2. Those who do believe that ET was here at one time, and are imaginataive enough to want it confirmed.


Remember that final scene in Close Encounters? I would go in that saucer without hesitating, and I wouldn't look back ....



Well that's a very biased list, isn't it? I could rewrite the bias thusly:

There are two classes of posters here.

    1. Those who want to find out the truth of ET's existence; past, present, or future.

    2. Those who want to believe so much that ET was here at one time, and were willing to imaginatively create such fevered explanations that defy all hard evidence, and any attempt to match reality with their views is met with great agitation because it upsets their cozy view of ET's and/or superior beings.



But shouldn't we try to be more objective when stating our lists? Wouldn't a more objective list state:

    1. Those who do not believe in ET's existence in our past due to a lack of physical supporting evidence.

    2. Those who do believe in ET's existence in our past and wish to find hard evidence to support the claim.

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Message 1161345 - Posted: 12 Oct 2011, 3:17:30 UTC - in response to Message 1160905.

I always thought the hieroglyphics image below was rather interesting. It looks like there is a sub, plane and a helicopter.



You've heard of a Rorschach test, right? The viewer sees what they want to see out of the images, but it doesn't necessarily mean that's what the creator/artist meant to show, if anything was meant to be shown at all.

I would also be highly cautious and skeptical of any "internet" modifications of the original image so as to unscientifically change the evidence to favor one theory. Until I see an actual image of the original picture, I hesitate to make judgement on what it is I'm supposed to be seeing in the picture.

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Message 1161358 - Posted: 12 Oct 2011, 3:34:52 UTC - in response to Message 1161345.

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Message 1161360 - Posted: 12 Oct 2011, 3:39:30 UTC - in response to Message 1161358.

Well there you go. It's most certainly a form of Rorschach test in that our brains want to interpret the images we see as what we are familiar with today, but isn't necessarily what was meant to be drawn.

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Message 1161457 - Posted: 12 Oct 2011, 11:33:55 UTC
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But shouldn't we try to be more objective when stating our lists? Wouldn't a more objective list state:

1. Those who do not believe in ET's existence in our past due to a lack of physical supporting evidence.

2. Those who do believe in ET's existence in our past and wish to find hard evidence to support the claim.


Ok, I'll suggest a compromise.

    1. Those who do not believe in ET's existence in our past due to a lack of physical supporting evidence, and fervently hope that none is ever found.

    2. Those who do believe in ET's existence in our past and wish to find hard evidence to support the claim, and are prepared to spend time investigating possibilities.

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Message 1161545 - Posted: 12 Oct 2011, 16:54:00 UTC - in response to Message 1161457.

But shouldn't we try to be more objective when stating our lists? Wouldn't a more objective list state:

1. Those who do not believe in ET's existence in our past due to a lack of physical supporting evidence.

2. Those who do believe in ET's existence in our past and wish to find hard evidence to support the claim.


Ok, I'll suggest a compromise.

    1. Those who do not believe in ET's existence in our past due to a lack of physical supporting evidence, and fervently hope that none is ever found.

    2. Those who do believe in ET's existence in our past and wish to find hard evidence to support the claim, and are prepared to spend time investigating possibilities.



That's not even a compromise! The second part of the first line item isn't even close to true, and it shows you're still trying to be biased.

Since I am obviously part of the first category, I can state definitively that in light of physical supporting evidence, I would be all about spending time investigating the facts on the new discovery. To say that I "fervently" hope that none is ever found is disingenuous to say the least.

Likewise with part two, you're not really doing yourself justice with that description. You're indicating that you're a bunch of lunatics looking for "possibilities" without evidence or proof.

My good sir, I do believe your objectivity has been compromised.

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Message 1161593 - Posted: 12 Oct 2011, 18:42:12 UTC

My good sir, I do believe your objectivity has been compromised.


Dear me, I rather not think so my dear chap.

Since I am obviously part of the first category

Really? What gave you that idea? That was a general comment. Maybe the cap fits though? From my experience those who want to believe that no ET ever visited earth would be devastated to find out they did. It would undermine everything they believe.

You're indicating that you're a bunch of lunatics looking for "possibilities" without evidence or proof.

Oh c'mon now, you know better than that, you do yourself an injustice. We as "a bunch" as you colloquially term it, are prepared to take serious suggestions and look into it further. If upon examination there is no eveidence to support it, then it is discarded.

I am not compromised at all, only in your view. But we are going round in circles here. Do you honestly think that if there was any cast iron, irrefutable scientific evidence that ET had been here before, and therefore exists, that it would be released to the general public?

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