Lets keep this thread civil Please...There are good points coming out in here.

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I Desire Peace and Justice, Jim Scott (Mod-Ret.)

I am a Viet Nam era vet. Never saw combat. That was a war that showed that politicians dont know how to fight war. And the Generals didnt have the balls to say they didnt.
And I enlisted in the Air Force so I wouldnt get drafted.

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Old James

So according to your logic, Then any police, firefighters, miners or who ever, when they take employment, they know the risk and if they get hurt, then you say, gee to bad your on your own?
If thats the attitude any government takes then soon you wont have any volunteers in your armed forces. But I guess if you have to draft men to fight it ok to take care of them later when they get hurt.

Not quite. The problem is that the compensation payouts are not consistent & seem to be slap hazard. Of course people should be compensated for injuries received.

The point in question is why should terrorists get awarded homes in the poshest area of London, while those who serve their country get treated like shit?

We have had cases where people died because the police officers were unsure of the health risk assements....WTF are they doing as police officers?

I have no arguments at all with those 3 points.

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Old James

Hi Jim,

We enjoyed MASH over here, and later in the series Alan Alda was allowed to brring more serious issues to the fore about the Korean war. I think Vietnam was Americas real biggie. Almost no other conflict has produced so many tight knit vets as that one, and we have a lot here at Seti as well. Vietnam was horrific, with Agent Orange etc, and I'm sure all the truth will never come out.

Some might come out if we had a VET's thread. Could become one of the most interesting threads to read. An outlet too to give some people the chance to get things off their minds.

sorry I should've clarified the police officer stament a bit more... I don't believe that police officers should rush into a burning building....the case I was referring to was a canal drowning...the officers concerned didn't make a move because of the Health & Safety issues..however, the person that fell in could not swim, they could...where was the danger for them(the current wasn't that strong)?

Another point to consider, the UK used to have some excellent Military Hospitals, but now injured service personnel are admitted to civilian hospitals & many were jeered, abused & even spat upon, since that caused an uproar, they've been allocated seperate facilities in those same hospitals.

Why were the MH's closed? Is it because they were on prime development acreage?

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sorry I should've clarified the police officer stament a bit more... I don't believe that police officers should rush into a burning building....the case I was referring to was a canal drowning...the officers concerned didn't make a move because of the Health & Safety issues..however, the person that fell in could not swim, they could...where was the danger for them(the current wasn't that strong)?

Another point to consider, the UK used to have some excellent Military Hospitals, but now injured service personnel are admitted to civilian hospitals & many were jeered, abused & even spat upon, since that caused an uproar, they've been allocated seperate facilities in those same hospitals.

Why were tht MH's closed? Is it because they were on prime development acreage?

Well any Viet Nam vet can tell you they werent looked upon very kindly either. To that I can only say blame the poilticain who sent them to war not the soldier. As for here in America, we have finally realised that. Today are military members are not blamed for the war.

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Old James

What I find a hypocritical fact of our governments is service personnel return after suffering massive injuries in a conflict which that very same government ordered them to go & treat them like that, & yet at the same time terrorists can hijack a plane, land in the UK & get given a home, $$$$$$ & everything else that benefits entails.

OK, I'll bite. What's the story of the plane hijacking terrorist being housed in the UK and claiming benefits?

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

10 years on

Hijacker now employed by BA

Hijackers win right to stay in UK

Hijackers live life of luxury

I'll say this again though...if I now try that...all I'll get is a healthy dose of lead poisioning...I wonder why?

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There's also another reason why I named the thread "Why fight" & it is nothing whatsoever to do with military combat.

I now feel that society(well at least here in the UK) should also stand up & fight...not for their individual rights but for what is Right & Wrong.

We already have a Criminal Justice Act, so we now need another seperate from civilians & one that is strictly enforced to cover the following...

Police Corruption(News of the World Scandal),Politicians(Expenses Scandal),Civil Service(theft of taxpayers funds)Lawyers/magistrates/judges(blatant miscarriages of justice)& local authorities(misuse of laws/corruption & fraud).

Once this is in place, riots such as we witnessed recently in the UK will no longer be as devastating as it would be seen that the top level being punished severely for their crimes would make them think twice.

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but were later acquitted in 2003

I guess there wasn't a hijacking after all ...

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but were later acquitted in 2003

I guess there wasn't a hijacking after all ...

you missed the point....

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Civil And On Topic Please.

Sorry? Were has it been uncivil?

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The Magic Red-X.

Ah, right..something said that displeases someone. I still cannot see, after going through the whole thread, where there is any uncivility. I cannot see any flaming, baiting or other "unpleasantries" so would like to see it pointed out.

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but were later acquitted in 2003

I guess there wasn't a hijacking after all ...

you missed the point....

If you say so ... I just think your method of attempting to make the point was invalid.

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but were later acquitted in 2003

I guess there wasn't a hijacking after all ...

you missed the point....

If you say so ... I just think your method of attempting to make the point was invalid.

in what manner? They were given benefits instantly & were housed in hotels at great expense until rented accomdation was found, so pray tell...how was it invalid in regards to the OP?

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but were later acquitted in 2003

I guess there wasn't a hijacking after all ...

you missed the point....

If you say so ... I just think your method of attempting to make the point was invalid.

in what manner? They were given benefits instantly & were housed in hotels at great expense until rented accomdation was found, so pray tell...how was it invalid in regards to the OP?

Consider, at the time they were given the benefits, how long was the waiting list and how much cash to give benefits did the government have.

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Consider, at the time they were given the benefits, how long was the waiting list and how much cash to give benefits did the government have.

Again, what has that to do with the OP?

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Consider, at the time they were given the benefits, how long was the waiting list and how much cash to give benefits did the government have.

Again, what has that to do with the OP?

Times change. They got lavish because the government could afford lavish, the vet gets nothing because the government is broke.

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Consider, at the time they were given the benefits, how long was the waiting list and how much cash to give benefits did the government have.

Again, what has that to do with the OP?

Times change. They got lavish because the government could afford lavish, the vet gets nothing because the government is broke.

OK, looking at it from that point. yes. But the point being is this...Its still happening whether or not the government has the money or not. Secondly, to any decent human being, it is blindingly obvious that ground floor accomodation is urgently needed.

So it comes back to the thread title "Why Fight?"

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Consider, at the time they were given the benefits, how long was the waiting list and how much cash to give benefits did the government have.

Again, what has that to do with the OP?

Times change. They got lavish because the government could afford lavish, the vet gets nothing because the government is broke.

OK, looking at it from that point. yes. But the point being is this...Its still happening whether or not the government has the money or not. Secondly, to any decent human being, it is blindingly obvious that ground floor accomodation is urgently needed.

So it comes back to the thread title "Why Fight?"

My Apologies for earlier Misunderstandings..."I" Believe that the confusion Started with the "Thread Title". It is a bit Misleading IMHO.

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I Desire Peace and Justice, Jim Scott (Mod-Ret.)