Dale Farm Travellers

You did not prove your point in my view.

Your posts towards the two discussions from both Chris and myself reinforces my view I am dealing with a person wanting to argue minutia. This minutia wants others to prove statements (not a claim) using third party independent links, and this in a discussion thread (not a debating society).

The fact we are making points from our own experience of the times 50 or more years ago are personal, and need no independent academic verification. Indeed, many other posters of our age group, but possibly younger, make the same observations. Taken together these views do constitute a common view of how things have changed.

In the discussion here points have been made about ethnic differences of the Travellers, most of which are correctly accepted by UK society. None of these need a proof, they are a discussion and not an academic dissertation where proofs are required for your degree/diploma/higher degree.

I certainly know that when I am putting R&D project together for submission, that to make a claim I need to validate this with independent proof. For example "The state of the technology art" currently available, and the capabilities and limitations of that technology against the R&D specifications of which I want to develop. This will include full IPR research, comment and disclosure.

For these R&D project submissions, getting it right will result in good assessor scores and recommendations of support. Successful support usually results in external support to the tune of £1.1million. Now that is worth going for.

Trying to obtain the same rigor in this thread is subjective, at best, and opinion most of the time. This is true when considering the backing links claiming proof, which, when being examined, are opinion in themselves.

When discussions turn to minutia and, really opinion or trivia, then the instigator is leaning to trolling. But, more importantly, the thread is still a discussion and there is no real motivation to argue.

I do believe you are effectively trolling by the attitude, application and approach you take here. So, I am not really inclined to withdraw either of my comments. But, in this instance I will withdraw the comment, with massive reservations over my action.

NB: Sarge assumed I know who you are, a position I am unable to confirm. Perhaps you can enlighten me?


I will be interested, but not necessarily respond, to your reply to this post. From past replies I can see deliberate misunderstanding and obfuscation. But, then I am probably significantly biased in my expectations already.

Now back to the subject under discussion in this thread - The Dale Farm Travellers appeal against their eviction! Also, discussions, views, observations on their possible ethnic origins or groups involved.
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I think that adequately puts that matter to bed. See my suggestion elsewhere.

Now back to the Travellers, we will know more tomorrow when the court re-convenes, and later in the week about the other submission made.

At the moment this is mainly confined to the UK, but I wonder if the eventual ruling and outcome will have ramifications on similar situations in other countries.

Agreed Chris, this is a UK issue and will have implications for other similar "in the green belt" settlements. Which, from anecdotal evidence, may have risen years ago from a change in the law, and strong enforcement, back in Ireland.

The most likely effect any enforcement, or other on Dale Farm illegal settlers, might be a view by the elected officials in other countries who have similar issues to the UK in this regard.

Regarding my spat, I will continue our conversation by PM as there are other things to learn.
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Absolutely well put....& that statement covers other topics on this forum. There seems to be too many trolls ignoring the discussuion in question & demanding verifying proof as if these forums are taking place in courtrooms.
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I hear everything you are saying Gentlemen, and some fair points have been, and are being made, but I would be grateful if we could please take those issues somewhere else now. I really would like to leave this particular thread focused upon tomorrows outcome of the Court case.

Depending upon what happens it could have far reaching effects upon the UK, and indeed maybe upon other countries. That is the more important point, and it would be a real shame if the Mods felt they had to lock it.

I believe you are right in that statement, Bobby.

This is now an issue over planning.

I speculate that the 10 year delay on the final eviction has come about from the UK Human Rights Act. I have no proof, but there are many news articles reporting on the Dale Farm appeals under the Human Rights. This could be presumed to be the main reason for these delays.

Supposition and opinion on my part.
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Simple enough answer & maybe we'll be able to get Britain back on an even keel again.....

...repeal the "Human Rights Act"
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Oh you mean the "B-Liar Witch Project"....never seen it, probably just as bad as the real McCoy.....
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...repeal the "Human Rights Act"

...repeal the "Human Rights Act"

Isn't that like turkeys voting for Christmas?

Thanks everyone for coming back on track, it is appreciated, and I know some of us are happily chatting off-line about a few points made.

Agreed. Could you add a little detail on the far reaching effects? So far I had thought that this was confined to what is effectively a planning permission dispute and was being assessed on that basis regardless of what the celebrity supporters may say. Is there a human rights element that is now within the scope of the court's decision?

Good points Chris, however, the Human Rights Act has a huge bearing on this case whether we like it or not, so a seperate thread is not needed as its part & parcel of the whole debate.
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It's all off again until a later hearing.

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Yep, lawyers...another continuing waste of taxpayers money & they're not bothered as they get paid regardless.
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