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Message 1136467 - Posted: 5 Aug 2011, 21:54:38 UTC

Thinking of building a system and the budget is leading me toward a GTX 570 or something similar. My question is: Among the various GTX 570 cards, which ones tend to run a bit quieter than the others. Was thinking of the MSI twin frozr thinking that the twin fans may run a bit slower and quieter than single fan units. Not sure if it really works out that way or not.

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Message 1136476 - Posted: 5 Aug 2011, 22:06:36 UTC - in response to Message 1136467.

The single fan in the GTX590-Classified from EVGA is not terribly noisy unless running at 100%. Running at 100% usually indicates other problems so I would not worry too much about it.


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Message 1136482 - Posted: 5 Aug 2011, 22:24:04 UTC - in response to Message 1136476.

The single fan in the GTX590-Classified from EVGA is not terribly noisy unless running at 100%. Running at 100% usually indicates other problems so I would not worry too much about it.



Appreciate the feedback on the 590. I did consider it but at over twice the price it's a budget buster for me for now. Eventually I may look at adding another 570 when I can afford it. Or maybe move up to the 590 if available funds allow it.

Here's another angle... What about water cooling a 570? It adds some complexity and cost but seems like I'd have more control over the type of fans used on the rad and could keep it quieter.
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Message 1136562 - Posted: 6 Aug 2011, 3:03:53 UTC - in response to Message 1136482.

The single fan in the GTX590-Classified from EVGA is not terribly noisy unless running at 100%. Running at 100% usually indicates other problems so I would not worry too much about it.



Appreciate the feedback on the 590. I did consider it but at over twice the price it's a budget buster for me for now. Eventually I may look at adding another 570 when I can afford it. Or maybe move up to the 590 if available funds allow it.

Here's another angle... What about water cooling a 570? It adds some complexity and cost but seems like I'd have more control over the type of fans used on the rad and could keep it quieter.


Water cooling gets expensive.. That said I spent far too much on this air cooled (well except for the TEC cooler cpu's) setup.
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Message 1136584 - Posted: 6 Aug 2011, 4:08:16 UTC

Of the several video cards I've had the chance to try recently the Asus DirectCU models have run cooler and quieter than anything else. I can't afford a 570 so I don't have personal experience with that particular model, but by the large size of the heatsink it should run cool and quiet, if you have 3 slots to use up on one card.

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Message 1136602 - Posted: 6 Aug 2011, 5:13:23 UTC

I know EVGA has the Hydro Copper GPUs that already have the water block installed but I don't think they have a 570 available. From what I've heard the 580 doesn't take to overclocking as well as the 570 so not sure if a Hydro Copper 580 is really the way to go. The Hydro Copper 590 is even farther out of my price range at this time. Much more likely I'll stay with air cooled cards for now.

Something I didn't think about until just now was that adding a simple water cooled kit like an H70 to the CPU would help to move that heat out of the case which may allow the GPU to run a little bit cooler and slow the fan speed down a bit.

I did see some articles about the DIrectCU II but wasn't sure about the noise factor. Also it could be a bit hard to find a motherboard that would allow me to eventually install two of those in SLI. I know I don't have to use SLI for cuda but who knows what I may want to do down the road a bit. On the other hand, by then I may be looking at another build anyway.

I really do appreciate all the input.
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Message 1136605 - Posted: 6 Aug 2011, 5:16:39 UTC - in response to Message 1136585.

Planning new rig, eh?

OK....

Plan for your budget to go kaflooee the minute you place your orders for components.

Plan for what you thought was your knowledge of same to be debunked in a flash.

Plan for the bits not to all fit together the way you figured.

Plan for the best and be prepared for the worst.

Plan to have fun with it...LOL.

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A response from the kitty man. I'm honored.

I've done some very minor stuff with an old HP system but this will be my first real build from scratch. The challenges are welcome but hoping that doing the research up front will minimize the unplanned impact in my wallet. Fortunately this is going to be a hobby system so I can mess with it all I want without impacting the other stuff I do. It should be fun!



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Message 1136649 - Posted: 6 Aug 2011, 8:20:04 UTC

I prefer cards with two fans and if there are heatpipes too, like with the MSI Twin Frozr, then that's a bonus.
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Message 1136654 - Posted: 6 Aug 2011, 9:16:01 UTC - in response to Message 1136649.

OP I read your post about the 570 vs 590 and I wanted to briefly share my experience.

I too am wanting to upgrade cards and noticed I can afford a 570 or a 580...but then I considered that by saving up a bit for a 590 I could effectively have two 580 cards in one GPU for less price than two 580's. I think I'll end up saving for that 590 around xmas :)
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Message 1137444 - Posted: 7 Aug 2011, 23:37:27 UTC

I have a DirectCU Asus 570, another 570 from Zotac, and a ZT-50203-10M 570 from zotac, all in the same machine. I´m becoming a 570 fan, and I really can recommend the 50203-10M, because it´s cooler than the other models, overclock better, it´s shorter (nice for tight cases) and it´s even cheaper than the previous models. You won´t regret from this card.
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Message 1137488 - Posted: 8 Aug 2011, 3:03:27 UTC

@Firehawk:
Care to post a few photos of the internals and the specific mboard your are using?

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Message 1137590 - Posted: 8 Aug 2011, 13:40:05 UTC

Not much about it, it´s just an 3x pci-e board. Depending on the processor you are using, any should do, providing you have a good case ventilation.
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Message 1140600 - Posted: 15 Aug 2011, 0:20:32 UTC - in response to Message 1136654.

OP I read your post about the 570 vs 590 and I wanted to briefly share my experience.

I too am wanting to upgrade cards and noticed I can afford a 570 or a 580...but then I considered that by saving up a bit for a 590 I could effectively have two 580 cards in one GPU for less price than two 580's. I think I'll end up saving for that 590 around xmas :)



Slavac: I have a GTX260 and am researching an upgrade. The dual chips on the GTX 590 sound great on the surface but then I noticed the clocks are much lower than on the 580 which has the same GF110 chip.

The GTX 580 clocks at 772/1544/4008 while the GTX 590 clocks at 607/1215/3414 and the 580 is listed at 1581 GFLOPS while the 590 is listed at 2488 GFLOPS.
So, you only get a 57% increase in rated GFLOPS with the second chip on the 590.

Here is the Wiki link:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comparison_of_Nvidia_graphics_processing_units

Currently I am favoring the EVGA GTX 570 Superclock here for my upgrade:
http://www.evga.com/products/moreInfo.asp?pn=012-P3-1572-AR

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Message 1140619 - Posted: 15 Aug 2011, 0:52:16 UTC - in response to Message 1140600.

The GTX 590 is indeed a downclock version of a double 580. 57% increase from the 580 sounds about right. My clock stays at 1260 on it for reference.
(evga classified).

the cost per amount of speed over the 580, I would say about 200 more for an extra 57% is a good deal. The other advantage is I could squeeze 4 into my motherboard(I would not consider doing so without converting to liquid cooling).

So yes.. it is not a full double your 580. But it does haul buns!


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Message 1140681 - Posted: 15 Aug 2011, 3:49:23 UTC
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I have the EVGA GTX570 SOC and even running 2 WUs at a time, my temp with fan at 70% is only around 60°C. The chassis is what matters as the card is a side breather instead of a rear breather and thus I have vent holes on the side of the case. EVGA put a nice fan on the card so you don't honestly need water cooling IMHO.

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Message 1140687 - Posted: 15 Aug 2011, 4:12:57 UTC - in response to Message 1140681.

If you stack 4 double wides in next to each other, air cooling will have a hard time breathing. Especially on the 590's. Single 590 works just fine air cooled
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Message 1141389 - Posted: 17 Aug 2011, 0:48:15 UTC
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Here is what I think I've come up with for a system. I know there are some things missing here but I'm planning on using some things I already have to save some $'s.

NZXT Phantom case
ASUS Sabertooth 990FX motherboard
AMD Phenom II X6 1100T Black Edition
CORSAIR Gold AX850 power supply
G.SKILL Sniper 8GB (2x4GB) DDR3 1866 memory
ASUS ENGTX570DCII video card
Windows 7 Home Premium - OEM

From spare parts laying around:
Seagate Barracuda 7200 SATA 500GB disk
Another SATA disk that's currently buried in another system
IDE DVD drive
Keyboard / Mouse

Not planning on overclocking the processor for now so I'll use the stock cooler. Eventually will probably get a Noctua NH-D14 if and when I'm ready to do any overclocking.
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Message 1141402 - Posted: 17 Aug 2011, 0:58:06 UTC

Also... when I get this running I'll probably move the GT240 from my old HP box to this new system. I doubt the old processor in the old HP box is contributing enough to my RAC to warrant keeping it running.
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