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Message 1130702 - Posted: 22 Jul 2011, 21:51:28 UTC

I hope our Moon friend and her family are safe.

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Message 1130908 - Posted: 23 Jul 2011, 9:54:42 UTC

Once again, this demonstrates the folly of leaving people to own firearms, especially automatic firearms, which killed 90 people, mostly teenagers.
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Message 1130911 - Posted: 23 Jul 2011, 10:37:42 UTC

As I wrote in Politics this demonstrates again the folly of leaving firearms, especially automatic firearms, in the hands of people.
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Message 1130912 - Posted: 23 Jul 2011, 10:45:07 UTC - in response to Message 1130911.

As I wrote in Politics this demonstrates again the folly of leaving firearms, especially automatic firearms, in the hands of people.
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I dont think this is a appropriate comment in such a thread.

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Message 1130917 - Posted: 23 Jul 2011, 11:26:35 UTC

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The full horror of the attacks have now become apparent since late last night. It is a small closeknit country with just 5 million people, and this will have hit them hard. I send my condolences to the people of Norway.

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Message 1130953 - Posted: 23 Jul 2011, 13:22:13 UTC - in response to Message 1130908.

Once again, this demonstrates the folly of leaving people to own firearms, especially automatic firearms, which killed 90 people, mostly teenagers.
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If law abiding folks were armed, this tragedy might have ended before so many innocent lives were lost.

But I agree, automatic weapons do not belong in the hands of anybody outside of the active military.

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Message 1130959 - Posted: 23 Jul 2011, 13:40:21 UTC
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I may not be the right one to do this..
but on behalf of the Norwegian people, I
want to express my deepest condolences to
the families directly affected of this -
and thats many. I also want to thank the
international community for their expression
of feeling with us - and our nation in this matter.

As a private person, I can not express what I feel.
To be witness to a happening like this is worse
than the most horrible nightmare. Norway is a very
peaceful country. And I will think its one of the
countries in the world where people move most freely,
and Feel most safe. This is how we know Norway.
When something like this happens, its easy to lose
the trust in what we belive in.. that freedom and
openness is possible, and can and should be the road
and the goal.
But we can never control everyones minds.. and freedom
is also to allow others to have their own ideas and meanings.
Though.. how anyone can become so evil, and do this sort
of thing - no matter where they are from - is not to grasp.

Today Norway is in shock, in grief, and each one of us
knows it could have happend to any of us. Norway is a small
country.. and to have lost so many of our teenages.. thats
something so horrible, we cant even start to take in the
meaning of it.

To have stated so.. I, and my family are all ok. But there
were people gathered from all over the country - and no names
are yet released.

All Norwegian is deeply moved today - Its the worst thing
that has happend to our country since the war.
Yet - as also the official Norway has stated:
This shall not change our views about having an open and free community.

Thank you all.

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Message 1130961 - Posted: 23 Jul 2011, 13:45:49 UTC - in response to Message 1130959.

Thank you for your post, Moonkitten.
I share your grief for you fellow countrymen and women.
Simple words such as mine cannot quite express......


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Message 1130971 - Posted: 23 Jul 2011, 14:44:51 UTC

I agree with Mark and have posted in the Cafe.


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Message 1130990 - Posted: 23 Jul 2011, 15:43:11 UTC - in response to Message 1130912.
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As I wrote in Politics this demonstrates again the folly of leaving firearms, especially automatic firearms, in the hands of people.
Tullio


I dont think this is a appropriate comment in such a thread.


Why not Mike? If this thread can stay here in Cafe Seti, that comment can stay here too. I totally agree with Tullio. And now, if we want we can say more about this in another thread, that's it, and you're right, but Tullio has the right to write this. The very perfect words about this horrible day are ArizonaMoon ones, as usual by her. Moon and some others already knows I've wrote them my condolences, my comment and my sadness.

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Message 1131115 - Posted: 23 Jul 2011, 21:36:17 UTC
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My condolences to the people of Norway as well. Shocking thing to have happen.

However, on reading the article linked here.....

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This quote begs a serious question!

"When asked how long it took the SWAT team to arrive at the island after the shooting began, Fredriksen said: 'It takes the time it takes to drive fast.' He said that was about 30 minutes"

Don't they have Police or Military choppers on hand for things like this? Surely it would have been quicker & maybe save some lives. The sound of an approaching chopper could possibly have made him stop or run for cover.


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Message 1131161 - Posted: 23 Jul 2011, 23:43:59 UTC

In a peace loving Country like Norway, this response time doesn't surprise me. Nor would this be unreasonble for any county on alert status. You have to have some sort of plan or the rescuers could have been in trouble too.
I am sure, we will be getting more details as time progresses.


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Message 1131196 - Posted: 24 Jul 2011, 1:54:42 UTC

Even in Los Angeles, 30 minutes would not surprise me for a SWAT team. They aren't all sitting in a ready room waiting for a call out. They are in police cars all over the city being regular police until needed. They have to drive to the ready room, put on their SWAT gear and then drive to the scene in the SWAT command post vehicle. Now if it took 30 minutes for the first police officer to get there, that would be a surprise. He likely called for the SWAT response and his rules may forbid him to to anything but take cover. Remember this crazy was dressed as a police officer. Who is who? You don't know all your coworkers on sight in a large force, especially the night shift if you work days.


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Message 1131199 - Posted: 24 Jul 2011, 2:05:48 UTC

Thank you Gary.


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Message 1131221 - Posted: 24 Jul 2011, 4:24:27 UTC - in response to Message 1131199.

Thank you Gary.

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My heart goes out to the victims families and all those affected. I wish I had a time machine.

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Message 1131299 - Posted: 24 Jul 2011, 8:47:34 UTC

I appreciate that there is a lot of high emotion around at the moment, but I think we have to wait until all the details are known, before we can make judgements.

Don't forget this was on an island not on the mainland, and there was belief of a second gunman as well at one point, one or both in police uniforms. If they had gone in unco-ordinated, they could have ended up killing their own genuine police.

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Message 1131399 - Posted: 24 Jul 2011, 15:36:08 UTC

Just think, with no death sentence or life prison terms...the guy will get out at 53 and may do it again....Just doesn't seem right to me or I bet to the families of those murdered...


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Message 1131400 - Posted: 24 Jul 2011, 15:39:00 UTC - in response to Message 1131399.

Just think, with no death sentence or life prison terms...the guy will get out at 53 and may do it again....Just doesn't seem right to me or I bet to the families of those murdered...

I suspect their legal system has the means to assure he will never see life outside of prison again.
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Message 1131430 - Posted: 24 Jul 2011, 18:57:53 UTC
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Nope, he will get out at 53. 21 years is the Maximum sentence no matter how many you kill.....


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Message 1131442 - Posted: 24 Jul 2011, 19:44:48 UTC - in response to Message 1131430.

Nope, he will get out at 53. 21 years is the Maximum sentence no matter how many you kill.....


That may only be for one charge....there wil be others....impersonating a police officer, illegal arms etc....

With at least 3 charges at 21 years each, that should be enough to guarantee he dies in prison.

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