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Message 1100094 - Posted: 23 Apr 2011, 20:45:22 UTC

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2. there is more than one universe.
This has not been proved yet.

@Johnney
I agree with Lynn here! I'm actually looking forward to meeting all the big boys when they land in their spaceships.
We will see my friend, we will see......

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Message 1100125 - Posted: 23 Apr 2011, 22:36:46 UTC - in response to Message 1100094.

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In theory it's true. We only know 4% of our universe.
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Message 1100218 - Posted: 24 Apr 2011, 9:41:38 UTC

We only know 4% of our universe.


4% of what though. What we can observe, or what is predicted to be out there that we cannot detect? Anyhow we are slightly drifting off track from the thread title. Is doom & gloom going to happen next year?

It is quite possible there could be a worldwide disaster in 2012, San Andreas, or Yellowstone could go bang, or we could see some more continental drift quakes etc. But they could happen at any time, it would just be co-incidence if it was next year.

There are many predictions for Near Earth Objects to pass close in the next 30 years or so, but none are anywhere near to be a real risk next year. I suppose we could have WWWIII, and wipe ourselves out but again why specifically next year?

The Maya name for a day was k'in. Twenty of these k'ins are known as a winal or uinal. Eighteen winals make one tun. Twenty tuns are known as a k'atun. Twenty k'atuns make a b'ak'tun. The Long Count calendar identifies a date by counting the number of days from the Mayan creation date 4 Ahaw, 8 Kumk'u (August 11, 3114 BC)


Misinterpretation of the Mesoamerican Long Count calendar is the basis for a New Age belief that a cataclysm will take place on December 21, 2012. December 21, 2012 is simply the day that the calendar will go to the next b'ak'tun.

Sandra Noble, executive director of the Mesoamerican research organization FAMSI, notes that "for the ancient Maya, it was a huge celebration to make it to the end of a whole cycle". She considers the portrayal of December 2012 as a doomsday or cosmic-shift event to be "a complete fabrication and a chance for a lot of people to cash in."[14] The 2009 science fiction apocalyptic disaster film 2012 is based on this belief.

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Message 1100503 - Posted: 25 Apr 2011, 15:00:31 UTC - in response to Message 1100218.

I'm glad the worlds ending on December 21st. I won't hvae to deal with the Danged Christmas rush. Nobody is getting their presents next year
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Message 1100538 - Posted: 25 Apr 2011, 16:43:01 UTC
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Hey, I won't have to pay the Gas & Electric bills either. OK, big Seti party in Berkeley, then we can all go out in a big bang! I'll bring the beer. Who's up for the nibbles ? :-)))
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Message 1100655 - Posted: 25 Apr 2011, 23:25:06 UTC

I think it is an sientific question in some Way Johnney.
But if you follow our Past, the Mankind ended a lot of times.
not very long ago, the end was said to be near, cause all Planetes standed in one row. In this time, the people where afraid too, but nothing happened.
OK, this time The Maya Calendar sais the End is near, but there is no reason for an END.
But there are Possibilities hat could happen in the year 2012:
the History is nearly completely based on Energy. First, there was Fire:
it enabled better Weapons, better Food, and an easier Hunt. Then you had Cole, so you could melt Metall and built Machines. Now, we have Oil, our Main Energy source.
But this source is getting smaller and smaller, since you need more Energy to get the Oil than the Oil has got Energy.
So the END could be meant as the END of rapid evolving.
But I don't believe that the people in this Time knew anithing about Future, cause this is one of the two no-goes.
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Message 1100686 - Posted: 26 Apr 2011, 0:33:33 UTC
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I know its hard for you to understand, but for the last month i have been telling people here on this SETI forum about new scientific information that mankind is going to hear about very soon. Its very new, its something scientists don't know about at the moment. I know its difficult to believe but i'm the one who will be releasing the new scientific information.

The scientific information i have will change all of humanity for good. Its will end all problems we have with using Oil for fuel. Its will be the true dawn of the new scientific age of mankind. If you ever saw a movie called "Back to the future" with Michael J. Fox....... Well that is about to come true. Flying cars and easy access to space for everyone. And travel to planets outside our solar system will also be possible within a human lifetime.

It will happen as soon as i get time to write up the scientific information properly. I know it sounds like i'm making this up, but you will know very soon that i'm telling you the truth. I'm either a complete liar and a lunatic, or maybe i really do have something. Time will tell.

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Message 1100982 - Posted: 27 Apr 2011, 8:31:39 UTC - in response to Message 1100686.
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This scenario would be wonderfull, Jonney, and I think it'll become that way.
But 2012 is a bit near, beacause to expand to space needs a new thinking, a peacefull thinking, and changing the peoples thougts needs a very long time.
For example emancipation. How old is this Idea?
In states where emancipation is said to be, women often are'nt paid equally for doing the same job and there are a lot of countries where women still are'nt seen equal to men.
I hope mankind will change in a godd way, because the Alternative would be self-destruction, and I think noone want to die because some other people where to rigid.

So I believe there will be a change, but not in 2012.
But 2012 could be the beginning of a change, but I don't think it has any connection to forecasts of past civilization.
Or maybe, that forecasts give the Idea?
Fact is, we will be a part of this change and can influence it's way.

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Message 1188824 - Posted: 27 Jan 2012, 10:58:08 UTC

Greetings!
I found this interesting video which explains the so called dooms day 2012 of the mayan calendar----->
2012 Alignment
Explained in about 10 min. and easy to understand with graphic examples.
By the way, the mexicans are having this year a boost in their hotels and flight bookings!

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Message 1188832 - Posted: 27 Jan 2012, 12:03:24 UTC - in response to Message 1188824.
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Dirk,
Yes, that was a very good video. It did explain things very well. Before i watched that video, i didn't actually know what astronomical event was going to happen at the end of this year.

But knowing this information now, isn't it just a little bit strange how the Mayans predicted this event. Its pretty accurate to have a calender that ticks over ever 25,000 years. With the Earth, the Sun and the Galactic centre all lining up together! Pretty cool!

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Message 1188836 - Posted: 27 Jan 2012, 12:32:35 UTC - in response to Message 1188832.

Dirk,
Yes, that was a very good video. It did explain things very well. Before i watched that video, i didn't actually know what astronomical event was going to happen at the end of this year.

But knowing this information now, isn't it just a little bit strange how the Mayans predicted this event. Its pretty accurate to have a calender that ticks over ever 25,000 years. With the Earth, the Sun and the Galactic centre all lining up together! Pretty cool!

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Hi John!
Amazing what those people could predict 2000 years ago and so accurately! And they didn´t even know a thing about wheels!!! Makes me wonder how this is possible.
Makes me wonder what kind of things are possible right know with all the knowledge gathered and all the technology available today.
Cheers!

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Message 1188847 - Posted: 27 Jan 2012, 13:40:18 UTC - in response to Message 1188836.



Hi John!
Amazing what those people could predict 2000 years ago and so accurately! And they didn´t even know a thing about wheels!!! Makes me wonder how this is possible.
Makes me wonder what kind of things are possible right know with all the knowledge gathered and all the technology available today.
Cheers!

Dirk,
Its beyond coincidence. It would be impossible to take a random guess as to how to set up your calender like that. They know exactly what they were doing Dirk. You would have to conclude that they had seen it before. I read about the Mayans and seemingly this is the 13th time their calender has ticked over this magic number. Now that really would make them a very very ancient civilisation.

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Message 1188869 - Posted: 27 Jan 2012, 15:29:22 UTC - in response to Message 1188847.

Johnny, My son. A shout out to my fellow Irishman (by ancestry anyhow).

It looks like it's time to renew my offering of insurance against the world ending this December. I invite you and all others to deposit just $395 (US) into my Paypal account and I will guarantee that you will survive this ominous date.

Of course, if you are raptured then I will refund every bit of your premium.

Also, my firm will repack your sport parachute cheaper than the competition. We have had no complaints from anyone involving a parachute that did not open.

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Message 1189554 - Posted: 29 Jan 2012, 0:13:03 UTC
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Daddio, my old friend,
Might i say, a mighty generous offer old chum. I'm very tempted by that offer of doomsday insurance, its a snip at only $395. And i have to admit, i was a bad boy during my life so if anyone is going to be raptured, i must be top of God's list for a good whipping.

But seriously, i never said i thought the world was going to end. I just commented that the Mayans have a darn accurate calender that seems kitted out to count massively long periods of time.

Daddio from my own research, which is still on-going, i found no evidence that the world, or the universe is going to end. But!! I have found evidence that major scientific changes are about to happen. Scientific changes the likes of which have never been seen before in the history of Human kind. So i'm keeping an open mind.

Something is about to happen. Its NOT going to be a big dramatic explosion coming from the sky. Its going to be more in the form of "scientific news" that only scientists will understand. In turn the scientists who do understand whats about to happen will convey the message to the masses of people who don't understand advanced science.

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Message 1189577 - Posted: 29 Jan 2012, 1:29:12 UTC

Isn't that the date the LHC will produce the first black hole god particle and the earth will be swallowed up?

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Message 1189617 - Posted: 29 Jan 2012, 4:48:29 UTC

LHC is not producing any black hole. I know because I have been running their MonteCarlo Simulations on a VirtualMachine called BOINC_VM. No sign of a black hole in my home.
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Message 1189803 - Posted: 29 Jan 2012, 18:44:38 UTC

Mines in my wallet .....

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Message 1190255 - Posted: 31 Jan 2012, 3:19:04 UTC - in response to Message 1189617.

the electron may be a black hole ! Check it's radius !

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Message 1190272 - Posted: 31 Jan 2012, 5:55:54 UTC - in response to Message 1190255.
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but whats about all those unexplained sounds people hear all around the world ? hoax ?

i link 2 video made as a mix of dozens and dozens individual records:

1st mix of records
2nd mix of records
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