Why are Validators not clearing Results/WUs from Pending
Always used to be cleared on completion
Now just dumped into Pending

What gives?????
Will they now all stay in Pending until some magic time when the Validators are to be let loose on them?
And when?

Keith

Has your wingman returned the work? have the WU's been validated? Please realize that it takes more than just getting the work back to seti to get credit for your work. This isnt like getting paid in real life. The numbers will show up when they do. Please be patient

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Diogenes Of Sinope

Why are Validators not clearing Results/WUs from Pending
Always used to be cleared on completion
Now just dumped into Pending

What gives?????
Will they now all stay in Pending until some magic time when the Validators are to be let loose on them?
And when?

Keith

Hang loose Keith.

Seti received 320,000 results in the last hour. The validators are running, as my total credit keeps going up..
Waiting for validation is up to 347,000.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

I would like to know what is going on as well. I still have results from June 9th pending validation.

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Why are Validators not clearing Results/WUs from Pending
Always used to be cleared on completion
Now just dumped into Pending

What gives?????
Will they now all stay in Pending until some magic time when the Validators are to be let loose on them?
And when?

Keith

My guess is 'probably'. My personal opinion, is that the mindset at Berkeley is now the science. But it's early doors yet, down & uploads have only recently restarted, and it would seem (at least to me) that they are taking it a step at a time, and carefully.

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I would like to know what is going on as well. I still have results from June 9th pending validation.

I assume you mean this WU. Please note as previously stated. returning work doesnt mean immediate credit granting. You have a wingman that failed to return valid work. You are now partnered with another wingman that needs to get that WU back by August 1.

FYI Sometimes it takes months and a multitude of Wingmen to get work returned. Your work will be validated and credit granded when a wingman returns work and it is validated and not before. Patience please

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

Why are Validators not clearing Results/WUs from Pending
Always used to be cleared on completion
Now just dumped into Pending

What gives?????
Will they now all stay in Pending until some magic time when the Validators are to be let loose on them?
And when?

Keith

To answer my own question (as I do not have the unlimited "patience" to ignore anomalies that I notice), I have now realised that all these 35 tasks were accompanied by "wingmen" whose completed task results timed out during the outage before they could be validated.

I don't know if that will cause a problem in the database, but it seems to be the reason why the validation has not happened!!!!

Problem for SETI or BOINC to clear, and it will probably repeat itself at every 3 day outage, I suppose.

Keith

If your wingman actually did the work and he gets it in today he will most likely get the credit for it. I assume the crew already has this in the works where they dont resend Wu's that expired on the outage dates for 24 hours( or until the servers aren't being beat down like now). I really dont understand the urgency in getting the credits reported. They'll get there when they get there. If they get there later it will jsut add that much more to your RAC which as you know is an average. So no matter how fast they are reported they are pretty much just going to average out.

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

Skilldude, while I understand your sentiment that credit averages out over the long run, it still begs the question of what about work units that are weeks old - with no wingman - and still have yet to be validation.

That this one for example: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=624697052

I cannot really recall a time that we have had this much back-log when it comes to SETI validation. Perhaps we owe it to the advances in home-computer (ie. the i7 processor) that have made it difficult for SETI's validators to keep up. That being said, I am beginning to think perhaps turning off the servers was not a good idea. I mean I am watching these validation numbers grow and grow - it makes you wonder if the server the capabilities to deal with the backlog, or will the harddrives, RAM, or processors perhaps give in :lol:.

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RAC is rubbish and meaningless. It was "sexed up" to make it "more interesting" but has completely lost all relevance now to "average". So I take no interest in that whatsoever.

And the matter of credits is not what I am the slightest concerned about here.

It's just that 35 tasks have been completed in the work units concerned during the outage and may have timed out before they could meet the delayed validation.

That is purely and simply the problem, and if the database is going to cope with this, it is all well and good, but I have not noticed it happen before on such a large block of tasks pending.

Keith

Skilldude, while I understand your sentiment that credit averages out over the long run, it still begs the question of what about work units that are weeks old - with no wingman - and still have yet to be validation.

That this one for example: http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/workunit.php?wuid=624697052

Oh, have a heart. Your wingmate reported about half an hour ago - that's about as quick as you could have expected after the outage. They're coming in at 200,000 an hour, and there are already half a million backlogged. These servers deal in BIG numbers: the work takes time, but it gets done in the end.

You think haveing pendings is bad? thats money in the bank. I once had a AP that took close to 4 months to get validated. went to 3 wingmen in a row. It finally got done in the nick of time before it timed out. Click on my i7 and see how many pending just that one computer has. Am I worried? nope like i said money in the bank.

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Old James

Richard, my bad, I didn't see July 2nd - I misread it as June 2nd.

That being said, you didn't address the core of my concern. 5.4 million results are now awaiting validation and counting. Is there a point when the servers will not be able to handle the load? Realistically, speaking here - could this not be a situation where the straw that broke the camel's back comes about? I'm not an IT guy, but I enjoy asking questions - so please feel free to humor me if you wish.

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The number of results received is starting to level off and the validators are starting to gain a little ground. Waiting for validation is starting to go down.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

The number of results received is starting to level off and the validators are starting to gain a little ground. Waiting for validation is starting to go down.

But still Mark, "this is going to be the end of the world as we know it" :-)

It is if I can't figure out why I can't get work for my rigs....LOL.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

The number of results received is starting to level off and the validators are starting to gain a little ground. Waiting for validation is starting to go down.

But still Mark, "this is going to be the end of the world as we know it" :-)

It is if I can't figure out why I can't get work for my rigs....LOL.

I think you can't get work for your rigs because they're trying to reduce the size of the backlog?

The number of results received is starting to level off and the validators are starting to gain a little ground. Waiting for validation is starting to go down.

But still Mark, "this is going to be the end of the world as we know it" :-)

It is if I can't figure out why I can't get work for my rigs....LOL.

I think you can't get work for your rigs because they're trying to reduce the size of the backlog?

Well, if anybody could confirm that it would answer a lot of questions, now wouldn't it?

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

Back to the 35 tasks in Pending
All have now been validated except one
And are removed from Pending list
ALL'S WELL THAT ENDS WELL

Keith

Meanwhile, back on the farm.......

I suspect this one will be hanging in my pendings for awhile.


Result ID 1644436055 Workunit ID 626974232 Host ID 2433742

Claimed credit....are you ready for this one? 31,257,743,055,555,602,029,123,254,226,422,163,020,991,971,911,725,975,661,381,315,
985,909,472,948,770,064,393,508,342,477,519,237,001,167,836,340,903,713,186,803,
953,672,078,897,111,378,810,498,879,676,614,460,416,521,091,807,505,498,730,
161,606,479,231,601,819,989,651,020,837,994,996,170,752.00

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

I think you can't get work for your rigs because they're trying to reduce the size of the backlog?

Maybe they should try to reduce those incomprehensibly long MB deadlines? I mean, AP tasks have 25 days, while normal AR MB's have 45 !?
I'd love to see the rig(CPU) that can chew Astropulse faster then the Multibeam work.

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Who the hell is General Failure and why is he reading my harddisk?¿