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Message 998391 - Posted: 24 May 2010, 4:20:05 UTC

Help me out here, I have recently installed Ubuntu on an HP PC. I can't for the life of me figure out how to load SETI@HOME on this machine. Any advice is gratefully accepted.

Please not this is my first foray into the world of LINUX, so spoon feeding me is probably the best way to get this project off the ground.
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Message 998406 - Posted: 24 May 2010, 6:26:26 UTC
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Somewhere here on site was the FAQ about this.
First, you need to instal the Linux version of boinc
the FAQ and instruction is here
http://boinc.berkeley.edu/wiki/Installing_BOINC_on_Ubuntu
Unfortunately i can't help you much more - i don't use Linux.

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Message 998437 - Posted: 24 May 2010, 10:22:31 UTC - in response to Message 998391.

Help me out here, I have recently installed Ubuntu on an HP PC. I can't for the life of me figure out how to load SETI@HOME on this machine. Any advice is gratefully accepted.

Please not this is my first foray into the world of LINUX, so spoon feeding me is probably the best way to get this project off the ground.

Welcome to the group.

On Ubuntu Linux, boinc is listed in the "package manager" for automatically installing software.

Go into the "add new software/programs" or "Aptitude package manager" or whichever is there (I think there is an "add software" button on the main menu) and type boinc in the search box. You will need to enable the "universe" repository for boinc to show up. Select both the client and manager/server and then attach to whichever projects as normal.

You will get the most recent stable release of Boinc. Don't worry too much that it is not the very latest experimental version!


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Message 998526 - Posted: 24 May 2010, 16:47:36 UTC - in response to Message 998437.

by stable He means the version that the Ubuntu folks have cleared for their OS. Typically their current can be slightly behind the BOINC download pages current version.

I run a Mandriva Box and tried to install their "current" version when I was on 6.10.XX and it showed me 6.6.1
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Message 1004231 - Posted: 14 Jun 2010, 23:08:27 UTC

Is this a new push into the marketplace by Linux powered devices?


Linux evolves: TVs, smartphones, tablets

Linux rules supercomputers. It's vitally important to servers. And, Linux is making gains on the desktop. Where Linux is really going to shine in the next twelve months though is in devices: tablets, smartphones, and TVs.

For example, more than a dozen Apple iPad-like tablets made their first appearance at the Computex computer show in Taipei, Taiwan. The vast majority of these devices run Android Linux or other embedded Linuxes such as the latest MeeGo embedded Linux. ...



ARMing desktop Linux

For a brief time in 2008, Linux actually owned a segment of the desktop industry: netbooks. When netbooks first showed up, they ran only Linux. Microsoft panicked and brought XP back from the dead, offering it for next to nothing to netbook vendors and thus successfully fighting off the Linux challenge.

That was then -- this is now. Today, Linux netbooks are still popular, though not as much as they once were. ARM-based netbooks, are on their way and, since these systems can't run Windows, Linux has the potential market all to itself. ...

... if Microsoft has its way, the only netbooks you'll be able to buy are deliberately crippled systems with Windows 7 Starter Edition.

Don't believe me? I quote Microsoft's Steve Ballmer: "Our license tells you what a netbook is. Our license says it's got to have a super-small screen, which means it probably has a super-small keyboard, and it has to have a certain processor and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah."

That's so Microsoft. Once the company feels like it's on top, it immediately start dictating to the market how things are going to be from now on. With Linux still around, though, it doesn't have to be that way. ...



... Or do we all suffer the old dirty tricks games that stomps on all newcomers and all new innovation?

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Message 1004607 - Posted: 16 Jun 2010, 11:11:00 UTC - in response to Message 1004231.

Is this a new push into the marketplace by Linux powered devices?

And now from Dell also:


Dell: Ubuntu Safer than Windows

... "Linux is used on computers of all sizes ranging from the biggest to the smallest," Dell said. "If you’re the kind of person who likes your computer to simply work, Ubuntu is right for you. It’s based on stable, secure, easy-to-use software that’s been around for a long time."

Dell has shipped Ubuntu-based rigs since 2007, and even claims that it's sold more than any other computer maker in the world. Currently Microsoft has not issued a retaliation, however we're betting that a few execs will get their feathers ruffled and force Dell to remove the comments.



... Or do we all suffer the old dirty tricks games that stomps on all newcomers and all new innovation?

Has Dell broken free of the Microsoft sales practices that forced Dell to 'cripple' anything not Microsoft? Or has all that silliness been stopped by the various anti-trust lawsuits running through the courts?


Regardless, it is still an interesting move by Dell.

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Message 1007756 - Posted: 24 Jun 2010, 14:58:04 UTC
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Both Linux and WinNT line is a dinosaurus with it roots in end of 80's-start of 90'. Linux still is safer than windows because it's Uncatchable Joe who's no one catches because no one need him. Viruses and hacks is a powerful underground industry with large amount of money rotation and when it will be useful to brake someone will brake them. First victum i think will be iPads and iPhones when mobile inet will became really popular. For a hack underground industry it's critical to be a standard soft which everyone have. It's also critical to 'stupid' users because one always want to have some cool stuff that another have. Linux now is very deffers between different distributions it's only one thing why no one cares about writing a virus, trojan or something - it's too difficult to compile for all of them :-) And 12 million atUbuntu is nothing compare to billions at windows. So, while Windows will be mainstream there will be almost no hacks nor for Linux nor for MacOS either - what for? If it will loose the power of market, they will be as they are already for Firefox and Chrome. By the way it's why IE8 now is really 'safer' - bacause half of users simply don't use it so why bother to hack it.

But MS can switch everything even core becuse it's technology .Net which is now became mainstream is not directly locked on any of WinAPI functions at all. That's why they developing and popularizing it by everything they can. They will make a switch and flush of old code in nearest decade. Linux can't do this.

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Message 1009086 - Posted: 28 Jun 2010, 3:16:45 UTC

the topic put me back into early 90´s when same thing was supposed to happen.
funny how time go by.

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Message 1009737 - Posted: 29 Jun 2010, 13:46:26 UTC - in response to Message 1007756.

Both Linux and WinNT line is a dinosaurus with it roots in end of 80's-start of 90'. Linux still is safer than windows because it's Uncatchable Joe who's no one catches because no one need him...


You appear to ignore that *nix systems run vital high value systems that are very highly prized targets...

There's a lot of FUD and spin on the Microsoft malware vulnerability fiasco. As far as I know, no other OS has ever suffered such a protracted and continuous and such a negative problem with malware. Most OSes have suffered security hiccups, including Linux. The very big difference is that normally, malware problems are very quickly eradicated.


Just one recent example of a FUD article is:

Is Google Confusing Safe and Secure in Dumping Windows?

On June 1, the Financial Times reported that Google planned to drop Windows as its primary desktop operating system and switch to Apple 's Mac OS X and Linux , because the latter two are more secure than Windows. That's a pretty bold leap by any measure. Should your organization follow suit? Not so fast...


The (flawed) main arguments of that article is that it is too expensive and disruptive to change the IT infrastructure and that no gain in security is gained in any case.

What is ignored is the excessive risk, and the pain of malware counter-measures required when running Windows. Once hit by malware, cleaning up the mess is very expensive and disruptive.

Contrast that article with this article that still reads well despite the test of time:

Security Report: Windows vs Linux

... We compared Windows vs. Linux by examining the following metrics...

1. The severity of security vulnerabilities, derived from the following metrics:
1. damage potential (how much damage is possible?)
2. exploitation potential (how easy is it to exploit?)
3. exposure potential (what kind of access is necessary to exploit the vulnerability?)

2. The number of critically severe vulnerabilities...



If you can overcome the Microsoft lock-in, then I think there are some very good alternatives.


Computers should just simply work, securely, reliably.

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Message 1009874 - Posted: 30 Jun 2010, 4:03:20 UTC - in response to Message 1009737.

[quoteSecurity Report: Windows vs Linux

... We compared Windows vs. Linux by examining the following metrics...

1. The severity of security vulnerabilities, derived from the following metrics:
1. damage potential (how much damage is possible?)
2. exploitation potential (how easy is it to exploit?)
3. exposure potential (what kind of access is necessary to exploit the vulnerability?)

2. The number of critically severe vulnerabilities...



If you can overcome the Microsoft lock-in, then I think there are some very good alternatives.


Computers should just simply work, securely, reliably.

Regards,
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actually they did not test anything so hole report is just talk talk talk. and don´t tell anything about safetines of those systems.

question martin, what can any virus, malware, etc do when you are logged as normal user with uac on and have safetyword on normal account?

answer is : nada

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Message 1010035 - Posted: 30 Jun 2010, 16:35:44 UTC - in response to Message 1009874.

I think the point of the report is just that. Though the report is 6 years old it's still a valid point that the M$ folks continue to make the same arguments about vulnerability. Yet the report shows that its a comparison of apples and Oranges. They did have many valid points and I assume that they are still valid today. M$ isn't a top of the line Server. BSD and linux are. Though a valid argument for linux desktops vs windows desktops would see similar results. I've had my mandriva running for many years with upgrades to the OS but have yet to get any viruses or malware. My daughter successfully a ransomware on my windows 7 box in less than an hour
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Message 1010098 - Posted: 30 Jun 2010, 21:10:48 UTC - in response to Message 1010035.
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I think the point of the report is just that. Though the report is 6 years old it's still a valid point that the M$ folks continue to make the same arguments about vulnerability. Yet the report shows that its a comparison of apples and Oranges. They did have many valid points and I assume that they are still valid today. M$ isn't a top of the line Server. BSD and linux are. Though a valid argument for linux desktops vs windows desktops would see similar results. I've had my mandriva running for many years with upgrades to the OS but have yet to get any viruses or malware. My daughter successfully a ransomware on my windows 7 box in less than an hour


were you logged as admin?

three years with vista without virus etc and only safety programs are uac and defender.

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Message 1010118 - Posted: 30 Jun 2010, 22:01:05 UTC - in response to Message 1010098.

on my Linux yes all the time. the 7 box no. If you'd have read that article you'd have noticed that the Linux OS is compartmentalized so that if things run without the Kernel then they run without it. Windows never has that option. The Kernel is always involved. and as was explained in that article, Windows would have to completely rethink its OSes to get the same affect as a Linux Box. I'd love the day that I got a critical update from Windows and it didnt require me to restart. My Linux only requires a restart if something with the Kernel is changed. This is rare
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Message 1010230 - Posted: 1 Jul 2010, 6:23:41 UTC - in response to Message 1010118.
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on my Linux yes all the time. the 7 box no. If you'd have read that article you'd have noticed that the Linux OS is compartmentalized so that if things run without the Kernel then they run without it. Windows never has that option. The Kernel is always involved. and as was explained in that article, Windows would have to completely rethink its OSes to get the same affect as a Linux Box. I'd love the day that I got a critical update from Windows and it didnt require me to restart. My Linux only requires a restart if something with the Kernel is changed. This is rare


were uac on and was it set to higher because in 7 it come too low cause people were nagging about uac.

i tried deliberately to get virus on my machine but it ended to uac and defender, cause uac was asking securityword which it did not know.

so i am baffled that you managed.

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Message 1010300 - Posted: 1 Jul 2010, 14:44:04 UTC - in response to Message 1010230.

The only thing a person needs to do to get a malware/Virus on Windows 7 or any other Windows version is to use Inernet explorer 6,7, or 8. IE has always been easy to exploit. easier when your daughter cruises through a sketchy website and clicks on a bad link. I had AVG antivirus and SpybotS&D active on the PC. Needless to say I now also run superantispyware because that was the one thing that detected and defeated the malware
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Message 1010376 - Posted: 1 Jul 2010, 18:03:16 UTC - in response to Message 1010300.
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The only thing a person needs to do to get a malware/Virus on Windows 7 or any other Windows version is to use Inernet explorer 6,7, or 8. IE has always been easy to exploit. easier when your daughter cruises through a sketchy website and clicks on a bad link. I had AVG antivirus and SpybotS&D active on the PC. Needless to say I now also run superantispyware because that was the one thing that detected and defeated the malware


i use ie 8, and no spyware and i can´t get virus even if i try, so something is ain´t right.

ok. i get one trying to install itself but it couldn´t get past uac, so.

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Message 1010395 - Posted: 1 Jul 2010, 19:09:11 UTC - in response to Message 1010376.

you would be an intelligent and advanced user. We are talking about an average user that is used to agreeing to everything on a PC. this is the main problem that M$ has is that they have sheeple that automatically assume the system needs whatever pops up.
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Message 1020968 - Posted: 30 Jul 2010, 22:07:20 UTC

This could be interesting...


Asus Drops Windows for Android in Eee Pad Tablet

... One of the problems with the first wave of Linux netbooks was their lack of familiarity: people buying cheap computers were used to Windows. This problem doesn’t yet exist with tablets, so Android may in fact become the next Windows.


So long as the touch-GUI works and displays the pretty pictures, the users shouldn't even need to know or care what OS is running on the device.

A beautiful comment from Linus Torvalds is that the OS is something that shouldn't be seen (or noticed) by the user.

Computers should just simply work, simply, reliably.

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The sad and sobering fact is, our current personal computers -- the Macintosh included -- are amazingly fragile nightmare kludges of delicate interactions that only barely work right most of the time. (Steve Gibson)

Today’s PC mistakes were made on the mainframe in 1967 and fixed by 1968. (Greg Price)

There's a simple way to find out if an operating system has been well designed. When you get an error message, go to the help system and look up the exact words in that message to see if there was enough of a concept of an architecture that they have a consistent vocabulary to talk about what's broken. (Bill Joy)

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Message 1020987 - Posted: 30 Jul 2010, 23:21:44 UTC

dell sold linux version of their computers, and quess what? they just drop them off last week, cause people did not want them, you can still get dell with linux, but you have to order it from dell, with cost.

it is all old news, but something that you always forget.

http://www.osnews.com/story/21887/Linus_Microsoft_Hatred_Is_a_Disease_

http://blogs.computerworld.com/14782/linux_creator_linux_is_bloated_huge_and_scary

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Message 1021226 - Posted: 31 Jul 2010, 14:16:16 UTC - in response to Message 1010395.

you would be an intelligent and advanced user. We are talking about an average user that is used to agreeing to everything on a PC. this is the main problem that M$ has is that they have sheeple that automatically assume the system needs whatever pops up.

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