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Message 977778 - Posted: 12 Mar 2010, 17:43:55 UTC - in response to Message 977770.

My point was that their isn't a Linux industry commercial that could lead people to these decisions. You'd have to want to be looking for linux OSes whereas if they had commericals on tv and radio they could get a whole lot more hits on their sites

I think the first step would be forming a Linux trade association. Of course to do that then distro's would have to be fungible.

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Message 977826 - Posted: 12 Mar 2010, 19:56:20 UTC - in response to Message 977686.

DING DING DING he just got it. Linux is software so an advertisement for server software isnt marketed towards individuals. As stated before, nice commercials but not important to the general public. As you repeated what I noted, Servers aren't desktops and server software isnt desktop software. It seems clear that the argument isnt about the software but about having the last word. I still don't see the idea of the multitude of OSes making a generic ad
I can see them advertising a website to help people choose an OS. a simple Q&A that could determine a users needs and abilities. I think that within 6 or 7 questions I could figure out if a person needs the beginners version of Linux or an advanced version


Linux is only the kernal. All the rest are apps.
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Message 977828 - Posted: 12 Mar 2010, 19:59:38 UTC - in response to Message 977730.

So what does the end user do when Linux screws up? Use the CLI???????

The majority of Windows users just want their systems up & running & when it crashes/bsod, they call people like me.....


That sounds like the same thing they do when Windows screws up. What is your point?

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Message 977873 - Posted: 12 Mar 2010, 21:59:46 UTC - in response to Message 977714.

I can see them advertising a website to help people choose an OS. a simple Q&A that could determine a users needs and abilities. I think that within 6 or 7 questions I could figure out if a person needs the beginners version of Linux or an advanced version

Already done for linux. Two examples are:

What Linux distribution should you try?

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Interesting couple of links there.
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Message 978170 - Posted: 13 Mar 2010, 13:57:18 UTC - in response to Message 977828.

So what does the end user do when Linux screws up? Use the CLI???????

The majority of Windows users just want their systems up & running & when it crashes/bsod, they call people like me.....


That sounds like the same thing they do when Windows screws up. What is your point?


The point of your post being.....?
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Message 978210 - Posted: 13 Mar 2010, 15:43:58 UTC - in response to Message 977826.

DING DING DING he just got it. Linux is software so an advertisement for server software isnt marketed towards individuals. As stated before, nice commercials but not important to the general public. As you repeated what I noted, Servers aren't desktops and server software isnt desktop software. It seems clear that the argument isnt about the software but about having the last word. I still don't see the idea of the multitude of OSes making a generic ad
I can see them advertising a website to help people choose an OS. a simple Q&A that could determine a users needs and abilities. I think that within 6 or 7 questions I could figure out if a person needs the beginners version of Linux or an advanced version


Linux is only the kernal. All the rest are apps.

So I can run the apps Microsoft Internet Explorer and the Microsoft Office suite on Linux, because they are just apps.

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Message 978219 - Posted: 13 Mar 2010, 16:02:11 UTC - in response to Message 978210.

maybe if you use wine. but dont count on it. Linux still doesnt play well with the elusive .exe file
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Message 978260 - Posted: 13 Mar 2010, 17:33:08 UTC - in response to Message 978210.

... So I can run the apps Microsoft Internet Explorer and the Microsoft Office suite on Linux, because they are just apps.

If Microsoft ported those apps over to Linux, then yes.

Microsoft has been doing that for some of their code, so it may well happen at some time!

(Microsoft also sells Linux already!!)

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Message 978281 - Posted: 13 Mar 2010, 18:29:23 UTC - in response to Message 978260.

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Message 978508 - Posted: 14 Mar 2010, 6:18:17 UTC - in response to Message 978170.

So what does the end user do when Linux screws up? Use the CLI???????

The majority of Windows users just want their systems up & running & when it crashes/bsod, they call people like me.....


That sounds like the same thing they do when Windows screws up. What is your point?


The point of your post being.....?


There is no difference between Windows and Linux when things go wrong. As there is difference on this issue it is not a discriminant between the two.

I was asking about your point because it is not a discriminant. Why post a thing that is not a discriminant?
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Message 978514 - Posted: 14 Mar 2010, 6:26:44 UTC - in response to Message 978210.

DING DING DING he just got it. Linux is software so an advertisement for server software isnt marketed towards individuals. As stated before, nice commercials but not important to the general public. As you repeated what I noted, Servers aren't desktops and server software isnt desktop software. It seems clear that the argument isnt about the software but about having the last word. I still don't see the idea of the multitude of OSes making a generic ad
I can see them advertising a website to help people choose an OS. a simple Q&A that could determine a users needs and abilities. I think that within 6 or 7 questions I could figure out if a person needs the beginners version of Linux or an advanced version


Linux is only the kernal. All the rest are apps.

So I can run the apps Microsoft Internet Explorer and the Microsoft Office suite on Linux, because they are just apps.


If you use Wine, yes. The government of Germany started doing that a few years ago. But that is not the point.

Which OS an app is written for does not make the app the OS. There is a version of MS Office written for the Mac and OS-X for the Max is a flavor of linux. That does not make MS Office either part of the Mac OS or Linux.

There are some apps which require handles in the OS but those are quite fundamental things like the type of file system that can be created and used without translation.

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Message 978643 - Posted: 14 Mar 2010, 15:16:48 UTC - in response to Message 978514.

Mac and OS-X for the Max is a flavor of linux.

BZZZZZT!

OS-X is not and never has been linux. Mach != linux. OS-X since 10.5 has been Unix [Registered trade mark]. It carries the stamp of official approval, something all linux lacks.

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Message 978660 - Posted: 14 Mar 2010, 15:44:58 UTC - in response to Message 978643.

Mac and OS-X for the Max is a flavor of linux.

BZZZZZT!

OS-X is not and never has been linux. Mach != linux. OS-X since 10.5 has been Unix [Registered trade mark]. It carries the stamp of official approval, something all linux lacks.

Thanks for noting the OS X distinction.

Perhaps a better description is that the present OS X and Linux have common similarity with BSD.

Also note that Linux is POSIX compliant. You can also easily port applications between Linux, Unix and OS X.

Out of those and Windows, I wonder which take up the most support effort for Boinc?...

Happy crunchin',
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Message 978692 - Posted: 14 Mar 2010, 17:14:43 UTC - in response to Message 978660.

Mac and OS-X for the Max is a flavor of linux.

BZZZZZT!

OS-X is not and never has been linux. Mach != linux. OS-X since 10.5 has been Unix [Registered trade mark]. It carries the stamp of official approval, something all linux lacks.

Thanks for noting the OS X distinction.

Perhaps a better description is that the present OS X and Linux have common similarity with BSD.

Also note that Linux is POSIX compliant. You can also easily port applications between Linux, Unix and OS X.

BZZZZZT!

Linux threads != POSIX threads. Dig into process groups, process ID's, signals and masks and threads under Linux and you will see a huge differences from POSIX. Right now if you are a thread and you ask what your process ID is under Linux each thread in the same process gets a different process ID which they don't get under POSIX. Makes it rather interesting to write portable code.

Out of those and Windows, I wonder which take up the most support effort for Boinc?...

Happy crunchin',
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As to that BSD, OS-X shares with BSD, Linux shares with Free BSD. Free BSD shares with BSD. But Mach != BSD and OS-X uses the Mach kernel.


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Message 979227 - Posted: 16 Mar 2010, 0:26:45 UTC - in response to Message 977778.

My point was that their isn't a Linux industry commercial that could lead people to these decisions. You'd have to want to be looking for linux OSes whereas if they had commericals on tv and radio they could get a whole lot more hits on their sites

I think the first step would be forming a Linux trade association. Of course to do that then distro's would have to be fungible.


Second time I've seen you use the word fungible and I'm not sure your use coincides with what I would expect:

fungible

(esp. of goods) being of such nature or kind as to be freely exchangeable or replaceable, in whole or in part, for another of like nature or kind.


Seems to me one linux distro is fungible with another, provide it's built for the same architecture, in this way OS X is less fungible as it has specific hardware requirements. Some Unix(r)'s are fungible, others (Solaris for SPARC) are not.

Linux (Suse/Redhat/whoever) is a commoditized OS, like an x86 hardware platform (Dell/HP/IBM/whoever). Closed source, like closed platforms are not.
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Message 983931 - Posted: 26 Mar 2010, 14:10:33 UTC

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Message 991216 - Posted: 22 Apr 2010, 22:16:43 UTC
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A little bit of recent Linux news:


Synaptics brings multitouch support to Linux

"The Synaptics Gesture Suite for Linux enables [manufacturers] to leverage a broad range of gesture capabilities across Linux operating systems, and offers extensibility into new Linux flavours such as Google Chrome OS and additional support for touch-enabled remote control devices," Synaptics PC chief Ted Theocheung said in a statement.


Linux-based MeeGo mobile OS makes its netbook debut

The open-source offspring of Intel’s Moblin and Nokia’s Maemo gets its first public outing running an an Atom netbook, as well as a smartphone and a TV set...


Nokia and Intel: Best MeeGo OS 1.0 Video so far

... This time, an Intel rep shows how easy it is to sync up a video running on a netbook, straight to your TV or mobile device – for simultaneous viewing. It looks pretty impressive you have to say.

While Microsoft also has this ability within their Windows Phone 7 platform, don’t forget that MeeGo is linux based, so the possibilities could be endless for both users and developers.



MeeGo mobile Linux will also do laptops and desktops

... Intel and Nokia expressed optimism for the project's future and touted a roster of 27 companies that have signed on to the effort.

Intel's newly disclosed plan to bring MeeGo to desktop computers could fundamentally change the formula. According to a report by IDG that cites Intel software and services VP Doug Fisher, Intel is going to support MeeGo on budget Atom-based desktop computers and is also planning to release a version that will run on higher-end systems with standard Core chips.

Although Intel is apparently expanding MeeGo's focus to encompass conventional desktop computing, Fisher says that Intel doesn't plan to displace or compete with mainstream Linux distributions such as Ubuntu. Intel doesn't really want to be a Linux distributor—the company's goal is to supply a heavily optimized reference implementation that other Linux vendors can use. ...



London Stock Exchange readies Turquoise for Linux migration

... Other LSE platforms will also migrate to the MillenniumIT technology in August, but with a softer approach. These include the Microsoft .Net-based TradElect platform, which has had a number of high profile outages in recent years, some of which have caused traders to storm out of the building in protest. ...


Why is it that the Marketing-Speak for Linux sounds just as bad as for anything else?!

Very interesting for the Intel backing for MeeGo (Moblin) and for pushing it upwards onto mainstream PCs...

For Linux looking to soon become so ubiquitous, I hope there's BSD and other non-Linux OS flavours to soon follow on to maintain a healthy balance and to maintain standards and interoperability.

Hopefully, we're moving away from the dark days of proprietary lock-in!


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Message 994596 - Posted: 7 May 2010, 12:39:29 UTC

Looking good!

Tom's Definitive Linux Software Roundup: Office Applications

... Adam Overa is back with a comprehensive look at office apps for Windows users considering a switch to Linux.


Not so sure about the 'definitive', but it does give a good taster.


In discussions elsewhere, a general opinion is that it is easier for Office users to move over onto OpenOffice rather than jump into the newer look user interfaces for the latest Microsoft Office... Are people really that averse to change?...


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Message 997693 - Posted: 22 May 2010, 1:09:17 UTC - in response to Message 994596.

Can Microsoft afford a re-write to revamp a new Windows before they descend into impossible unmaintainability or die under the weight of malware and user disenchantment? How long can they persist with lock-in tactics rather than any true innovation?

Can and will do. In fact, all the main idea of .Net (dotnet) is just to provide a migration platform to throw out Win32 API and maybe all the core. It will be in 8 or 9 version of Windows, i think. With Natal or something like -completely new interface. Like Microsoft Surface or something.

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Message 997694 - Posted: 22 May 2010, 1:13:47 UTC - in response to Message 997693.
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In discussions elsewhere, a general opinion is that it is easier for Office users to move over onto OpenOffice rather than jump into the newer look user interfaces for the latest Microsoft Office... Are people really that averse to change?...

Yup. In fact, after 1 hour of working (by pressing hard "go do f..n job or get out") they saying that newer interface not so bad, after 1-2 day they don't want to return to prevous 2003 (classic) office or something. Because new interface is really more ergonomic.

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