It has been on the news for several days but the Republicans are already looking for the next presidental candidate for the 2012 election. Most of the what happened was what one would expect such as chest thumping and gloating and there is a long way before a conclusion is reached. However they did one thing that stands out by having Glen Beck give the Keynote address. For those of you who don't know who Glen Beck is, he has a show on Fox news that some call conservative when they are polite and it has been called many name that I can't post here without getting banished. I would call him a truth seeker in the way of the founding fathers of the United States. The speech he gave was what I would expect from him in that Republicans and Democrats were both targets of his criticism. I may be biassed but I feel people from both parties can agree with much if not all of what he is saying if they are open to the truth.
You can watch the Keynote here and see what your thoughts are.

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Glenn Beck is far from a truth seeker, and even further from our founding father's vision. He's just as right-leaning as any other conservative I've ever met.

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Glenn Beck is far from a truth seeker, and even further from our founding father's vision. He's just as right-leaning as any other conservative I've ever met.

While Glen is not really associated with any political party, he is a Independent. If you watch the link you would have noticed he called the Republicans Progressive Lite. The founding father would not approve of the Republicans or the Democrats because the both have traded freedom from government for slavery to the government for goodies. Our founding fathers wanted to get away from a powerful government and that is what Glenn also preaches. If you think the goals of the founding fathers were right leaning then I can agree with you. Other than that, I don't think you really understand the founding fathers. Don't go by what they taught you in school because the odds your history came from a Progressive teacher. I know my history classes were lacking in that area as well. Freedom includes the freedom to fail and that is not possible with a government that tries to give you everything. Freedom also includes the opportunity to succeed which is also being take away from us by the government to benefit the ones who fail.

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CPAC 2010--
sponsored by the John Birch Socity...

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Is anyone watching the link? I wouldn't have started the thread if was only promoting the Republican party. I have little love for how both parties have behaved up to now. I am really starting to wonder if Progressives have any idea what being a Progressive is. The argument is not about Republican or Democrat, it's about do you believe in the words of the founding fathers or not.

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If Glen beck is indepedent then I'm a Tory. He's clearly biased and doesn't lean right he's completely fallen over right. He will eventually replace Rush limbaugh for the most hated and fireable person in America. If it were for the fact that RUSH owns part of the company he works for he'd have been fired years ago for the false statements and outright slander. FAUX won't fire Beck either. He's gets good ratings for his radical ranting. Just an FYI john birch society is about the most repressive and backwards thinking organization in America and for whatever reason the Republicans love them

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

Is anyone watching the link? I wouldn't have started the thread if was only promoting the Republican party. I have little love for how both parties have behaved up to now. I am really starting to wonder if Progressives have any idea what being a Progressive is. The argument is not about Republican or Democrat, it's about do you believe in the words of the founding fathers or not.

Actually, I watched the entire thing. Beck is an entertaining speaker. His cherry picking of history leaves a bit to be desired, but he wasn't giving a history lecture. He was giving a motivational speech to a like-minded audience and did it well.

As is the case with such speeches, there are points that I completely agree with.

1) It was sheer stupidity on the part of both Congress and President Bush to finance not one but two wars entirely with deficit spending.

2) Beck is absolutely correct that the cure for our "Morning in America" hangover is going to be very, very painful.

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If Glen beck is indepedent then I'm a Tory. He's clearly biased and doesn't lean right he's completely fallen over right. He will eventually replace Rush limbaugh for the most hated and fireable person in America. If it were for the fact that RUSH owns part of the company he works for he'd have been fired years ago for the false statements and outright slander. FAUX won't fire Beck either. He's gets good ratings for his radical ranting. Just an FYI john birch society is about the most repressive and backwards thinking organization in America and for whatever reason the Republicans love them

Did you watch the Keynote or are you commenting on data acquired from liberal web sites? If you didn't watch the keynote then your comments are very much off topic. This keynote is one response to what you were complaining about on another thread were people get elected stating one thing and end up doing another.
If the founding fathers were backwards, then I am backwards as well because I happen to believe in the country and the principles it was founded on. I don't believe in the twisted distortion of a constitution that it has become. Glen hates the Bushes and McCain as much as he hates Obama. With that view point you are way off base associating him with what we call the right these days.
He had a hard time writing the keynote because he wanted to be nice and write something noncritical. In the end, he stuck to his principals and called it the way he saw it coming down on both the Republican progressives and the Democrat progressives.
This is not about left, right, Democrat or Republican. It's about another political view called progressivism that has been hiding out in plain sight in both political parties for about a century.

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Is anyone watching the link? I wouldn't have started the thread if was only promoting the Republican party. I have little love for how both parties have behaved up to now. I am really starting to wonder if Progressives have any idea what being a Progressive is. The argument is not about Republican or Democrat, it's about do you believe in the words of the founding fathers or not.

Actually, I watched the entire thing. Beck is an entertaining speaker. His cherry picking of history leaves a bit to be desired, but he wasn't giving a history lecture. He was giving a motivational speech to a like-minded audience and did it well.

As is the case with such speeches, there are points that I completely agree with.

1) It was sheer stupidity on the part of both Congress and President Bush to finance not one but two wars entirely with deficit spending.

2) Beck is absolutely correct that the cure for our "Morning in America" hangover is going to be very, very painful.

He only had an hour to work with and he is trying to get the Republicans to reconsider the actions of just getting by and just getting elected. I feel that had the Republicans been doing their job during the Bush years, Obama would have never got into office. To get elected, the Republicans need to offer something better in the long run than hate of Obama because people have been ready for a true leader for a long time.
As for deficit spending, we have been doing that for much of the last century and it has to stop. It's the cause of inflation and is a hidden tax that hits everybody. It would be interesting to see a United States where one could not buy a T Bill because the government no longer owed anybody money. Not in my life time, but it's a worthy goal.

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I don't watch Glenn Beck, but I hear his commentary sometimes through various sources.
I'm of the opinion that the guy is a right wing wingnut and brings nothing constructive to the table.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFWOLSIhYMg

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/31882.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsYuT_c77GI&feature=related

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I do not fight fascists because I think I can win.
I fight them because they are fascists.
Chris Hedges

A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr.

I don't watch Glenn Beck, but I hear his commentary sometimes through various sources.
I'm of the opinion that the guy is a right wing wingnut and brings nothing constructive to the table.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFWOLSIhYMg

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0110/31882.html

The keynote link I provided when I started the thread is the high points of what he has been talking about for the last year on his show. In 60 minutes you can make your own informed decision instead of looking at clips or reading other peoples opinion. What he is saying doesn't apply to Canadian politics as he is only commenting on what's wrong with America. As for what he brings to the table, what he expresses is what our Tea Party is about. He has reached his opinions independently of the Tea Party but that is the way of the Tea Party movement. The Tea Party has no true leader, it is movement of many people who have a common interest. It is the Spirit of America and how most of us think of ourself.
A term once used often was the Silent Majority. The are no longer so silent.
As for your links, TYT and most Americans have very little knowledge of the progressive/liberal movement in the United States. As bad as it sounds, the United States was once pretty much as he described. We were lucky we dodged that bullet but it is the goal of the progressive movement to eliminate the constitution and establish a very powerful central government that reacts to the Spirit of the people as determined by that powerful government. No I am not a nut job. It is a history that they don't teach you in school and if you want to learn about it you have to go back to the writings of Woodrow Wilson and others. With what I know of the history of the Progressive movement, it shocks me that Obama and Hilary Clinton would use it to describe them self and others. It has the same impact on me as someone using the word Nazi.
A progressive believes there are inferior people and a superior people (progressive) has the right to conquer and enlighten them. This is a backwards way of saying slavery was a good thing because it improved the lot of all those poor people in Africa who didn't have access to a better way of life.
I would fear for both my freedom and my life if the progressive movement reached their goal.
As for Politico, I think they over looked something. The Nazi besides eliminating the Jews, also eliminate homosexuals, children with birth defects and sterilized mentally defective people. Some people were sterilized just because of lack of education. People who were not of true Aryan extract were considered a lesser people and limited as to what they could do in German society.
Taking a few facts out of context can be very misleading and that is what is being done to Glen Beck.

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Dena, I'm not going to argue with you over this. I'm just going to sit back and watch the right wing devour itself. Enjoy the Kool-aid.

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I do not fight fascists because I think I can win.
I fight them because they are fascists.
Chris Hedges

A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr.

Dena, I'm not going to argue with you over this. I'm just going to sit back and watch the right wing devour itself. Enjoy the Kool-aid.

You very well may be right. It could happen because the Tea Party splits the vote or because the Republicans still haven't learned their lesson. Both mistakes have happened in my life time and conditions are right for both to happen again.

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I watched about 3 minutes of him on CNN when he first reared his ugly head. All I saw was a Rush dittoheaded moron. He only has 2 real attributes. His loyalty to the extreme right wing and the talking points he's been given. other than that hes another useless talking head

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_yAwjK3DgjQlisten about 3 miuntes in.
always good to shout down a caller. Seems to me hes just a bully with little concern for the truth.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ul9YGlapNiAabout 1:30 in.

does this seem like a rational person
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0x-DOiDzp8musical remix

The one thing Limbaugh has going for him is that even when he being pompous, misleading and inaccurate he has the decency to not scream at callers. though I doubt he would ever get someone on the phone that disagreed with him.

Now it's true that Beck allows Non conformists on his show, only to belittle berate, shout down and eventually just hang up on them. Its a strong arm debating tactic like that that got us into 2 wars.
Limbaugh on the other hand apparently isnt able to debate anything and only takes callers that give him the emotional stroking that he needs to keep him going for hours on his lonely diatribe laden shows.

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In a rich man's house there is no place to spit but his face.
Diogenes Of Sinope

What a difference. I listen to far more of Obama's speeches. If I don't watch it to the end it's because my head starts to hurt from the illogical statements. Before forming my opinion on Obama or McCain I had to understand what they were really about. This took me hours of speeches from both and I concluded that neither would make a good president. You have made a judgement on far less. You are either and extremely good judge of people or are making a snap decision.
As for Glens radio shows. Don't you think the callers may have been a little on the dumb side. I can understand how hearing that type of thing all day could cause that type of reactions. But also consider that he didn't throw or break anything so he was far more in control of his emotions than you may think. After one of the rants, there was even a little smile before the end of the clip. It may have been more of an act than you think. I can understand where he is coming from just by watching the news. People who think the government has unlimited money and can spend it without having a major impact on the country seem to be able to get on the news all the time. I lived through Carter and saw the type of damage the spending we are doing today will cause. If Obama is able to get the new programs he wants, it will take us years to dig out of the hole. Why people don't understand this is a real puzzle to me. I don't consider myself to be that much out of the ordinary but it seems like many people have any concept of reality.
Glens TV show is far different than his radio show because he has few guest and they are experts in the field of government, economics or other fields. You don't see the rants and he is able to clearly draw out the picture and back it up with facts.
Your are making your argument exclusively on emotional issues. That must mean that you agree or are unable to find flaws with the logic of his arguments. The It's also possible that you don't understand his arguments or haven't taken time to learn about his thoughts before passing judgement.

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Dena
While you seem quite concerned that some of us don't spend the time to get to know your boy Glenn Beck, and therefore start down the path to enlightenment, but what you have failed to do is actually double check the stuff he says.

Most of the things you've listed as reasons for being one of those simplistic teabag people are right off Beck's program.

If you are worried about government spending and national debt, why are you still voting right wingers into office? Since shortly after WWII the republicans have been the party of big spending and large debt.

The only reason there has been no complaints from the corporatists and the elites about this is due to the fact that the powerful are the recipients of this spending.

The left may have the reputation of being the big spenders but if you look at the numbers you'll find that it's just another right wing lie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_debt_by_U.S._presidential_terms

I don't know what you were doing during the Carter administration, but paying attention wasn't part of it.

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I do not fight fascists because I think I can win.
I fight them because they are fascists.
Chris Hedges

A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr.

Dena, please note the spacing in most people's posts.

It makes it much easier to read than a solid wall of text.

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I do not fight fascists because I think I can win.
I fight them because they are fascists.
Chris Hedges

A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr.

Glenn Beck is far from a truth seeker, and even further from our founding father's vision. He's just as right-leaning as any other conservative I've ever met.

This is one statement we completely agree on 100%.

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If there is news on Fox or CNN it is an error. They are entertainment shows. You know this because of how much they care about their ratings!

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