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Message 970644 - Posted: 15 Feb 2010, 0:53:58 UTC - in response to Message 970544.  

Fisheries Minister Hirotaka Akamatsu said the group threw butyric acid - made from rancid butter - at the ship, mildly injuring three crew members.

But Sea Shepherd said no injuries were reported in the clash.

... Japan said three Japanese crew members suffered mild face and eye injuries from the acid.

How could the Sea Shepherd know there were no injuries? Did they board the Japanese vessel with a doctor? Or are they lying?

Rules of evidence, get caught in one lie, you are discredited, believe nothing else from the person.

At least Sea Shepherd has admitted they are out for human blood. Terrorist scum.

BTW the BBC article is fair and balanced.

Japan has six whaling vessels in the Antarctic, which is allowed under the rules of international whaling.

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Message 970695 - Posted: 15 Feb 2010, 14:04:00 UTC - in response to Message 970644.  
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Fisheries Minister Hirotaka Akamatsu said the group threw butyric acid - made from rancid butter - at the ship, mildly injuring three crew members.

But Sea Shepherd said no injuries were reported in the clash.

... Japan said three Japanese crew members suffered mild face and eye injuries from the acid.

How could the Sea Shepherd know there were no injuries? Did they board the Japanese vessel with a doctor? Or are they lying?

Judge for yourself:

Sea Shepherd: Japanese Whalers Shoot Themselves in the Face with Pepper Spray

Sea Shepherd: Captain Paul Watson Demands An Apology From Japan

Have you found any better picture or video evidence? Note that the Japanese whalers are extremely keen to very clearly photograph and label any and all 'transgressions' against them... Any pictures anywhere of any "acid" burns?

What do you think?


Rules of evidence, get caught in one lie, you are discredited, believe nothing else from the person.

Well, I think the Japanese have very badly discredited themselves long ago on that count for whaling, both for their claims and the blatant lie of any meaningful "research" being done. They are a disgrace to themselves and the whole world of Science.


Japan has six whaling vessels in the Antarctic, which is allowed under the rules of international whaling.

All under sufferance and very shallow 'diplomatic' lies.


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Message 970697 - Posted: 15 Feb 2010, 14:12:44 UTC
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Further developments:

Brit in 'mission impossible' nighttime raid on Japanese whaling vessel

Sea Shepherd officials revealed that Mr Bethune had 'successfully boarded' the Japanese ship on a mission to attempt a citizen's arrest of the captain for the destruction of the Ady Gil and attempted murder of the six Ady Gil crew members.


Sea Shepherd skipper boards whaling vessel

Captain Bethune clambered aboard despite nets and anti-boarding spikes, and evaded detection by hiding on top of the wheelhouse for 90 minutes.

When dawn broke he knocked on the door and presented his orders for the skipper to surrender.

Captain Watson said a Japanese crew member emerged to look for the boat on which Captain Bethune had arrived. Finding none, the crew member then went back inside, leaving Captain Bethune standing there.

"Pete opened the door and walked into the wheelhouse ... that's the last we've heard of him," Captain Watson said.

The boarding took place in international waters, not in Australian waters.



Sea Shepherd whaling activist cuts himself boarding Japan ship

"Mr Bethune illegally boarded the Shonan Maru 2 ... after using a knife to cut the vessel's protection net," the institute said.

"At that time, Mr Bethune cut his left thumb and has since received medical treatment from the Japanese crew.

"The Ady Gil skipper told the crew that, after boarding the Shonan Maru 2, he had thrown the knife into the sea."

The institute also claimed that Capt Bethune was "restrained" by the captain of the Shonan Maru 2 "in line with the Japanese Mariners Act" and was now "being held in custody on board".



Sea Shepherd: Update: Sea Shepherd Captain Detained Onboard Japanese Whaling Vessel

At 0800 Hours, once the sun had risen, Captain Bethune calmly knocked on the bridge wing door, entered the wheelhouse, and presented himself to the Captain of Shonan Maru 2 where he informed the skipper that he was under arrest for the sinking of the Sea Shepherd ship Ady Gil on January 6th, 2010.

All radio communications with Peter Bethune ceased at 0805. The Shonan Maru 2 did acknowledge that Bethune was onboard.

The Sea Shepherd ships Steve Irwin and Bob Barker continue to pursue the Japanese whaling ship Nisshin Maru eastward across the Southern Ocean. The ships are presently south of Australia’s Heard Island.






Pete Bethune after the ramming of the Ady Gil. (Credit JoAnne McArthur / Sea Shepherd)


Valiant efforts by Sea Shepherd that hopefully cannot be ignored.

Utterly disgusted with the Japanese whalers!
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Message 970707 - Posted: 15 Feb 2010, 14:57:47 UTC

Brave or Stupid? Not sure about international law but at sea can't a captain do about anything he wants? Legally...But I guess he will gets lots of publicity...Too bad Toyota doesn't make their ships...
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Message 970717 - Posted: 15 Feb 2010, 15:51:03 UTC - in response to Message 970697.  

And the inevitable YouTube vids:

Captain Bethune Boards Shonan Maru 2 to Conduct Citizens Arrest

News report: Ady Gil captain attempts arrest on Japanese whalers

The 7PM Project - Paul Watson Interview


The reaction of the bridge crewman to Pete standing there is priceless. Hopefully some useful politicking will ensure from such a bold encounter.

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Message 970728 - Posted: 15 Feb 2010, 18:01:47 UTC - in response to Message 970695.  

Have you found any better picture or video evidence? Note that the Japanese whalers are extremely keen to very clearly photograph and label any and all 'transgressions' against them... Any pictures anywhere of any "acid" burns?

What do you think?

There are medical privacy laws that prevent their disclosure.

What do you think? Or are you?

As to the harmlessness of the acid, I note that Wiki says it has the same pH as acetic acid. The Wiki for that says:
The pure acid, and concentrated solutions, are dangerously corrosive.

Sea Shepherd caught in another lie!

Is there anything Sea Shepherd won't lie about?

What do you think?

Why is Sea Shepherd throwing acid in the ocean in the first place, when we all know that contributes to the destruction of life in the ocean?

What do you think?

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Message 970736 - Posted: 15 Feb 2010, 18:25:43 UTC - in response to Message 970728.  

What do you think?


acetic acid = vinegar.

The word butter derives (via Germanic languages) from the Latin butyrum, which is borrowed from the Greek boutyron. This may have been a construction meaning "cow-cheese" (bous "ox, cow" + tyros "cheese"), or the word may have been borrowed from another language, possibly Scythian.[2] The root word persists in the name butyric acid, a compound found in rancid butter and dairy products such as Parmesan cheese. (Another possibility may be an extended derivation from Sanskrit bhutari, meaning "the enemy of evil spirits".)...
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Message 970739 - Posted: 15 Feb 2010, 18:31:11 UTC - in response to Message 970728.  
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Have you found any better picture or video evidence? Note that the Japanese whalers are extremely keen to very clearly photograph and label any and all 'transgressions' against them... Any pictures anywhere of any "acid" burns?

What do you think?

There are medical privacy laws that prevent their disclosure.

Oooer... You diving into the world of conspiracy theories?

What do you think?

The Japanese reporting of their whaling 'incidents' are renowned for their spin on reality and more recently, their outright lies. Just as their supposed whale research is a complete sham and a disgrace to the name of Science.

Even if you don't like Paul Watson and Sea Shepherd for what they are doing, they do go to great lengths to be honest and accurate in their claims.

The Japanese claim three of their crew were slightly injured. There is video that the three were shot in the face with their own pepper spray guns. You add it up. I guess they are too embarrassed and too childish to admit they shot themselves in their own faces.

As to the harmlessness of the acid, I note that Wiki says it has the same pH as acetic acid. The Wiki for that says:
The pure acid, and concentrated solutions, are dangerously corrosive.

Sea Shepherd caught in another lie!

Are you off your trolly! Sea Shepherd have never suffered any injuries from their use of rotten rancid butter. They're not going to start using battery acid or whatever nastiness you might dream up. They've no need to. The smelly butter is smelly enough. They've added food colouring to it on occasion for colourful effect... :-)

Is there anything Sea Shepherd won't lie about?

What do you think?

You're off your trolly. I've not seen Sea Shepherd lie. I very much doubt they would. They don't need to. The Japanese whalers are fool enough to blast their own feet and faces off for themselves!

Why is Sea Shepherd throwing acid in the ocean in the first place, when we all know that contributes to the destruction of life in the ocean?

A little bit of spilt rotten butter is insignificant to the many tons of whale guts and carcasses the whalers throw overboard. If you remember, Sea Shepherd found the Japanese whaling fleet by following a trail of blood and guts and discarded whale cuts for many miles. The whalers don't even take all that they catch, most gets dumped overboard so that only the few "prime cuts" are taken. Disgusting.

Utterly disgusted with the Japanese whalers!
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Message 970805 - Posted: 16 Feb 2010, 0:28:40 UTC - in response to Message 970697.  

This news article and interviews give a good summary for the Japanese whalers detaining the Ady Gil Captain Bethune:

ABC News: Sea Shepherd protester could face piracy charges

Sea Shepherd founder Paul Watson says Mr Bethune was trying to conduct a citizen's arrest of the Shonan Maru skipper and serve him with a damage bill for the Ady Gil.

In the interviews, there's a few interesting comments from both sides. Regardless, quite a debacle...

Well disgusted with the Japanese whalers!
Martin

NB: Seems debacle is a very old word... I'm using it in the sense of the fiasco of a confused convoluted difficult battle.


Further developments:

Brit in 'mission impossible' nighttime raid on Japanese whaling vessel

Sea Shepherd officials revealed that Mr Bethune had 'successfully boarded' the Japanese ship on a mission to attempt a citizen's arrest of the captain for the destruction of the Ady Gil and attempted murder of the six Ady Gil crew members.


Sea Shepherd skipper boards whaling vessel

Captain Bethune clambered aboard despite nets and anti-boarding spikes, and evaded detection by hiding on top of the wheelhouse for 90 minutes.

When dawn broke he knocked on the door and presented his orders for the skipper to surrender.

Captain Watson said a Japanese crew member emerged to look for the boat on which Captain Bethune had arrived. Finding none, the crew member then went back inside, leaving Captain Bethune standing there.

"Pete opened the door and walked into the wheelhouse ... that's the last we've heard of him," Captain Watson said.

The boarding took place in international waters, not in Australian waters.



Sea Shepherd whaling activist cuts himself boarding Japan ship

"Mr Bethune illegally boarded the Shonan Maru 2 ... after using a knife to cut the vessel's protection net," the institute said.

"At that time, Mr Bethune cut his left thumb and has since received medical treatment from the Japanese crew.

"The Ady Gil skipper told the crew that, after boarding the Shonan Maru 2, he had thrown the knife into the sea."

The institute also claimed that Capt Bethune was "restrained" by the captain of the Shonan Maru 2 "in line with the Japanese Mariners Act" and was now "being held in custody on board".



Sea Shepherd: Update: Sea Shepherd Captain Detained Onboard Japanese Whaling Vessel

At 0800 Hours, once the sun had risen, Captain Bethune calmly knocked on the bridge wing door, entered the wheelhouse, and presented himself to the Captain of Shonan Maru 2 where he informed the skipper that he was under arrest for the sinking of the Sea Shepherd ship Ady Gil on January 6th, 2010.

All radio communications with Peter Bethune ceased at 0805. The Shonan Maru 2 did acknowledge that Bethune was onboard.

The Sea Shepherd ships Steve Irwin and Bob Barker continue to pursue the Japanese whaling ship Nisshin Maru eastward across the Southern Ocean. The ships are presently south of Australia’s Heard Island.






Pete Bethune after the ramming of the Ady Gil. (Credit JoAnne McArthur / Sea Shepherd)


Valiant efforts by Sea Shepherd that hopefully cannot be ignored.

Utterly disgusted with the Japanese whalers!
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Message 970877 - Posted: 16 Feb 2010, 14:27:35 UTC
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Meanwhile, The "Tokyo Two" trial has finally got underway after over a two years delay. Does it really take that long to bring a supposed case of minor theft to court?


Greenpeace two plead not guilty in whale meat trial

Sato and Suzuki were held in police custody for the maximum period of 23 days, during which they say they were interrogated for a total of 200 hours between them, often tied to their chairs and without lawyers present.

More than 70 police also raided the Greenpeace offices in Tokyo and the homes of four of its staff members, the group said, with officers confiscating computer servers and documents, amid heavy media coverage.

"We believe this is clearly a political trial, and the UN has opined that the two were arbitrarily detained," said Greenpeace spokesman Greg McNevin.

The UN Human Rights Commission's Working Group on Arbitrary Detention has said that Japan breached several articles of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights in its case against the two activists.



Tokyo Two trial: Prosecution struggles on opening day

The trial opened up with the prosecution struggling to prove its own arguments and their witnesses being forced to agree with the defence on key points.

Although Japan maintains that whaling is conducted as “scientific research” and paid for with Japanese taxes , the everyday business of killing and processing whales falls to one commercial company.

A witness from this company and from the courier company used to ferry the embezzled meat around the country were in court to testify...



It will be very interesting to see if Japan follows through with the various threats and rhetoric about putting Captain Pete Bethune on trial for 'trespass'!... (And how long that might take...)

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Message 977424 - Posted: 11 Mar 2010, 21:10:09 UTC

Now we know where the meat goes ...
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-whale11-2010mar11,0,500007.story?track=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+latimes%2Fmostviewed+%28L.A.+Times+-+Most+Viewed+Stories%29

Santa Monica sushi restaurant charged with illegally selling whale meat
The eatery admits the wrongdoing, its attorney says. Federal agents and animal activists cooperated in a video sting orchestrated by a producer of the Oscar-winning documentary 'The Cove.'


By Martha Groves

March 11, 2010

Federal prosecutors Wednesday filed criminal charges against a Santa Monica sushi restaurant and one of its chefs, alleging they had sold meat from an endangered whale.

The Hump, a hip hangout at Santa Monica Airport, immediately said through attorney Gary Lincenberg that it accepted "responsibility for the wrongdoing charged by the U.S. attorney" and would pay a fine and resolve the matter in court.

Named in the complaint, filed in U.S. District Court in Los Angeles, were Typhoon Restaurant Inc., owner of the Hump, and chef Kiyoshiro Yamamoto, 45, of Culver City.

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Message 977725 - Posted: 12 Mar 2010, 16:03:06 UTC - in response to Message 977424.  

Now we know where the meat goes ...
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-whale11-2010mar11,0,500007.story?track=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+latimes%2Fmostviewed+%28L.A.+Times+-+Most+Viewed+Stories%29

Santa Monica sushi restaurant charged with illegally selling whale meat
The eatery admits the wrongdoing, its attorney says. Federal agents and animal activists cooperated in a video sting orchestrated by a producer of the Oscar-winning documentary 'The Cove.'


By Martha Groves

March 11, 2010

Federal prosecutors Wednesday filed criminal charges against a Santa Monica sushi restaurant and one of its chefs, alleging they had sold meat from an endangered whale.

The Hump, a hip hangout at Santa Monica Airport, immediately said through attorney Gary Lincenberg that it accepted "responsibility for the wrongdoing charged by the U.S. attorney" and would pay a fine and resolve the matter in court.


I think that rates as quite an 'ouch!'.


Meanwhile, after hunting some whales to extinction, and the others to near extinction, the Japanese are also intent on blithely wiping out the last of the big tuna:

EU backing for bluefin tuna trade ban sparks Japan protests

Governments indicate support for complete international ban to allow species to recover from years of over-fishing

... The protest came just days ahead of a meeting this weekend of Cites, the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species, in Doha, which will see 175 member states vote on whether to add the fish to a list of animals threatened with extinction, banning its trade.

... It is estimated that some 1m bluefins were caught last year, while the total population is thought to be about 3.75m. The WWF says stocks of bluefin tuna in the Atlantic have dropped by 80% since 1978.



At that rate of overexploitation, an ENFORCED total ban on fishing is the only thing that might avoid that species being driven to extinction.

Sea Shepherd are on their way to the Mediterranean to try to reduce the illegal fishing going on there. A trade ban will hopefully remove most of the market incentives.


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Message 977764 - Posted: 12 Mar 2010, 17:27:00 UTC - in response to Message 977725.  

I really do think Navy's should be involved in interdiction in these instances. How hard would it be to blockaged the suez canal and straits of Gibraltar to keep the Japanese fleets out. not very. Sinking fleet ships that are engaged in illegal activity(piracy) should also be enforced. If a ship is caught with the Tuna onboard give them 5 minutes to get off the ship and then destroy it. THat leaves 1 less problem for the Tuna


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Message 977772 - Posted: 12 Mar 2010, 17:32:45 UTC - in response to Message 977725.  

Now we know where the meat goes ...
http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-whale11-2010mar11,0,500007.story?track=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+latimes%2Fmostviewed+%28L.A.+Times+-+Most+Viewed+Stories%29

Santa Monica sushi restaurant charged with illegally selling whale meat
The eatery admits the wrongdoing, its attorney says. Federal agents and animal activists cooperated in a video sting orchestrated by a producer of the Oscar-winning documentary 'The Cove.'


By Martha Groves

March 11, 2010

Federal prosecutors Wednesday filed criminal charges against a Santa Monica sushi restaurant and one of its chefs, alleging they had sold meat from an endangered whale.

The Hump, a hip hangout at Santa Monica Airport, immediately said through attorney Gary Lincenberg that it accepted "responsibility for the wrongdoing charged by the U.S. attorney" and would pay a fine and resolve the matter in court.


I think that rates as quite an 'ouch!'.

I'm wondering if they could have bought better advertising ...

With a meal going at $300 per person + booze, tax and tip the crowd they are after ...


http://blogs.laweekly.com/ladaily/community/demonstrators-whale-sushi/
Whale FAIL: Sushi Restaurant Targeted By Demonstrators
By Dennis Romero, Thursday, Mar. 11 2010 @ 7:15AM
​Animal rights demonstrators plan to gather outside Santa Monica restaurant The Hump to decry is alleged serving of endangered whale meat. Its corporate owner and sushi chef were charged Wednesday with allegedly serving the illicit fare.
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Message 977830 - Posted: 12 Mar 2010, 20:15:56 UTC - in response to Message 961189.  

I think the Japanese have gone far too far with this one!

Sea Shepherd’s high-tech speedboat heavily damaged after collision with Japanese whaling ship

The two videos shown there are rather revealing. Just look at the way the Japanese ship rolls hard over to very quickly turn very hard into the Sea Shepherd boat.

Meanwhile, the Sea Shepherd boat has no time to do anything.
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The last time I heard ships at sea are required to maintain a safe distance from other ships and are not to interfere with the operations of other ships.

After such reckless behavior by the Sea Shepard it is perhaps only good fortune that they are still alive.

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Message 977884 - Posted: 12 Mar 2010, 22:57:39 UTC - in response to Message 977830.  

though the sea shepherd is manned by incompetent morons. the video clearly shows the Sea Shepherd ship idling in the water and the Japanese ship veer directly at them.


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Message 977925 - Posted: 13 Mar 2010, 1:23:53 UTC - in response to Message 977884.  

though the sea shepherd is manned by incompetent morons. the video clearly shows the Sea Shepherd ship idling in the water and the Japanese ship veer directly at them.


So? As you said incompetent morons. Incompetent morons who picked a fight they could not win. Never start a fight you can't finish.

If there is evidence the Japanese were not acting in a lawful manner then there are proper authorities to file a report. Vigilantes act at their own risk.

If the fishermen are acting lawfully then the whale huggers are behaving as criminals. The man in charge of the operation is presently in jail in Japan awaiting due process. It does not appear he has a leg to stand on.


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Message 977929 - Posted: 13 Mar 2010, 1:30:58 UTC
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Save the f'ing whales..........
Try starting with our own species.
Then, nuke the japs.

Personally, I thing the seaboyz should be armed.

Outside of territorial waters, they should be fair game.

Blow 'em up.
A few less jap lying scavengers.
Then they could no longer lie about 'research'......
F'ing pricks......who do the think they are fooling????????????????????
And the rest of the political system just goes yada yada yada.


Nuke 'em, buddy. And, as the addage goes, let God sort it out later.

And no, I am not kidding. Nuke the bastards out of the ocean. I would pay a couple of bucks to see THAT vid.

The kitties will give up their tuna to save the whales. There is lots of good chicken to eat.

Nuke the bastards.
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Message 977930 - Posted: 13 Mar 2010, 1:33:47 UTC - in response to Message 977925.  

though the sea shepherd is manned by incompetent morons. the video clearly shows the Sea Shepherd ship idling in the water and the Japanese ship veer directly at them.


So? As you said incompetent morons. Incompetent morons who picked a fight they could not win. Never start a fight you can't finish.

If there is evidence the Japanese were not acting in a lawful manner then there are proper authorities to file a report. Vigilantes act at their own risk.

If the fishermen are acting lawfully then the whale huggers are behaving as criminals. The man in charge of the operation is presently in jail in Japan awaiting due process. It does not appear he has a leg to stand on.


Unfortunately, the proper authorities for admonishing Japanese seamen are in the Japanese Government. There is a definite conflict of interest here.


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Message 977937 - Posted: 13 Mar 2010, 1:50:00 UTC

OK, not really nuclear weapons......we really don't wanna poison the whales or the rest of our planet........
We have lots of conventional weapons that could do the job......
But, let's do it......
Christ, for one iota of what we are spending in Afgan and Iran, we could put an end to this BS simply and silently.
Blow the bastards outta the water.......save the whales.
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