I remember the original story and it was a neighbor's property he so eagerly grabbed his gun to go out and protect.

I suppose in your rush to justify street justice and the Ted Nugent version of America, you may have missed some details yourself.

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I do not fight fascists because I think I can win.
I fight them because they are fascists.
Chris Hedges

A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr.

This guy shot a kid down in the street in a situation that did not involve his own property or any danger to his family.

Apparently in your rush to judgment you missed it was his car in his driveway.

Gary:

From Buffalo WBEN news site:

Scott observed Cervini and two other teens breaking into cars on his street in Greece.

From Rochester WHEC news site:

The shooting happened early Saturday morning. Police say Scott confronted Cervini and two other teenagers after he saw them breaking into a neighbor's truck. Police say they were doing that throughout the neighborhood.

From the Examiner news site:

He says he confronted three teens in a neighbor's driveway, ordered them to freeze and fired twice in self-defense when 17-year-old Christopher Cervini ran at him in a threatening manner.

I looked at 4 different reports on 4 different news sites and none state that it was his vehicle! It's not Robert's fault that the reporters didn't state that it was his vehicle?

Maybe this should have been reported by the CBC or BBC.

Actually, if you have a link to a news report that does state it was, I would be most grateful if you post it.

That's easy since the source was posted in a different thread here and still online:
http://www.mpnnow.com/news/x631609676/Defense-calls-for-dismissal-of-Greece-manslaughter-case

Scott and his significant other, Tracy Allen, claim in court papers they heard a voice in the driveway of their home at 58 Baneberry Way between 3 and 3:30 a.m.
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When Scott approached the three teens, one teen was standing at the end of the driveway and Cervini and another teen were standing closer to the front of the house, between two cars.

Its possible that some reporter got it wrong.

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That's easy since the source was posted in a different thread here and still online:
http://www.mpnnow.com/news/x631609676/Defense-calls-for-dismissal-of-Greece-manslaughter-case

Many thanks Gary!

In the first article Scott is said to have stated that "at least one of the kids charged at him". In this updated article this is said: "Scott lost sight of the two other people and then the third person, later identified as Cervini, "advanced toward him." Parrinello could not describe the type of advance." Scott also says the kid was shot twice because he "kept advancing" after being shot the first time. Just thought these were...umm...interesting details to point out.

Scott took his .40 cal outside with him to confront these kids and "contain the situation" himself while his wife called 911. Instead of waiting for police to handle the situation he intentionally put himself (and others) in danger by doing this.

I'm not saying Scott's initial actions were either right or wrong here (citizen trying to prevent a possible crime from continuing vs. waiting for the police which would give the kids time to take the vehicle and leave, if that was even their intention to begin with). However, IMHO he should have left the policing to the police. After all, it's not like these kids were attempting to rape/murder someone outside of Scott's house and Scott was trying to save the victim--they were merely "in his neighbors' driveway near the neighbors' car..."

Unfortunately, the article seems to have expired or been dumped by the source linked to way back at the start.
Fortunately, Rhe quoted from the article and the last line in the quote says where the kids were.

Just thought I'd toss this in before it disappears completely down the memory hole.

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I do not fight fascists because I think I can win.
I fight them because they are fascists.
Chris Hedges

A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr.

Unfortunately, the article seems to have expired or been dumped by the source linked to way back at the start.
Fortunately, Rhe quoted from the article and the last line in the quote says where the kids were.

Just thought I'd toss this in before it disappears completely down the memory hole.

Robert, you might check the wayback machine to see if it was archived.

I suspect one source is AP and the other is the hometown newspaper. Two reporters and two versions. That's the big lesson.

So anyone have a link to the trial transcript so we know what people said under oath? (I know it isn't online. A good reason why we can't second guess the jury.)

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We were in the neighborhood for dinner at Suz's sister's house tonight and I went down to his home (3 doors down) as he was out shoveling his walk. I told him congratulations.

Lots of bad juju there! I'd advise Suz's sister to move out of that neighborhood!

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Nah Suz's kids are well-behaved and avoid the bad kids.

Although once we were babysitting and we ordered Cervini off the property as he and another couple of older kids had come on and were harrassing Suz's nephews.

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Although once we were babysitting and we ordered Cervini off the property as he and another couple of older kids had come on and were harrassing Suz's nephews.

He left without challenging you when ordered off the property yet ran TOWARD a man with a gun in his hand yelling "I'm going to get you!"

Life is funny eh?

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I do not fight fascists because I think I can win.
I fight them because they are fascists.
Chris Hedges

A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr.

Although once we were babysitting and we ordered Cervini off the property as he and another couple of older kids had come on and were harrassing Suz's nephews.

He left without challenging you when ordered off the property yet ran TOWARD a man with a gun in his hand yelling "I'm going to get you!"

Life is funny eh?

Well my wife was there and her 2 young nephews.

He also may have not been in the intoxicated, high state that the coroner said he was in the night of the attack which could've made him more aggressive.

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He also may have not been in the intoxicated, high state that the coroner said he was in the night of the attack which could've made him more aggressive.

This is new information that isn't contained in any of the links that I've seen.
Could you please post where this came from?

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I do not fight fascists because I think I can win.
I fight them because they are fascists.
Chris Hedges

A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr.

Never mind Blurf.
I went back and discovered one of the links was two pages. I only saw the first until now.

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I do not fight fascists because I think I can win.
I fight them because they are fascists.
Chris Hedges

A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr.

http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/forum_thread.php?id=53559&nowrap=true#960034

The God That Fails
By DAVID BROOKS
Published: December 31, 2009
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At some point, it’s worth pointing out that it wasn’t the centralized system that stopped terrorism in this instance. As with the shoe bomber, as with the plane that went down in Shanksville, Pa., it was decentralized citizen action. The plot was foiled by nonexpert civilians who had the advantage of the concrete information right in front of them — and the spirit to take the initiative.

For better or worse, over the past 50 years we have concentrated authority in centralized agencies and reduced the role of decentralized citizen action. We’ve done this in many spheres of life. Maybe that’s wise, maybe it’s not. But we shouldn’t imagine that these centralized institutions are going to work perfectly or even well most of the time.

Sounds a lot like citizens arrest just might be a good thing.

I know that won't sit well.

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Sounds a lot like citizens arrest just might be a good thing.

I know that won't sit well.

Sits quite fine with me.......
If we cannot bear arms and protect ourselves, the government certainly is not gonna do it for us.

Too many are too willing to sit by and let s**t happen......hoping that it won't happen to them.

Wake up.......

The news is littered with stories about thugs that have escaped our legal system.....only to go back to their ways and harm innocents again.

They should have been taken out of the gene pool with a .45 the first time.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster

Sits quite fine with me.......
If we cannot bear arms and protect ourselves, the government certainly is not gonna do it for us.

Too many are too willing to sit by and let s**t happen......hoping that it won't happen to them.

Wake up.......

The news is littered with stories about thugs that have escaped our legal system.....only to go back to their ways and harm innocents again.

They should have been taken out of the gene pool with a .45 the first time.

Mark
You seem to be one of those people "hoping that it won't happen to them."

In your quest to promote some sort of "wild west" law enforcement model, you may become a victim rather than one of those saved by it.

You've stated that in the past you've carried a handgun in your left boot for years (unlawfully I'm sure) and that you are looking for another.
You've stated that you'll seek another weapon legally but you have so many other sources.
You endure wild mood swings (forcing the rest of us to endure them along with you) that you say result from your manic depressiveness.
You also binge drink to the point of delirium.

Add the fact that you openly express the desire to start shooting at illegals and I think you may find there are others who might want to remove you from the gene pool before you can act on these fantasies.

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I do not fight fascists because I think I can win.
I fight them because they are fascists.
Chris Hedges

A riot is the language of the unheard. -Martin Luther King, Jr.

Sits quite fine with me.......
If we cannot bear arms and protect ourselves, the government certainly is not gonna do it for us.

Too many are too willing to sit by and let s**t happen......hoping that it won't happen to them.

Wake up.......

The news is littered with stories about thugs that have escaped our legal system.....only to go back to their ways and harm innocents again.

They should have been taken out of the gene pool with a .45 the first time.

Mark
You seem to be one of those people "hoping that it won't happen to them."

In your quest to promote some sort of "wild west" law enforcement model, you may become a victim rather than one of those saved by it.

You've stated that in the past you've carried a handgun in your left boot for years (unlawfully I'm sure) and that you are looking for another.
You've stated that you'll seek another weapon legally but you have so many other sources.
You endure wild mood swings (forcing the rest of us to endure them along with you) that you say result from your manic depressiveness.
You also binge drink to the point of delirium.

Add the fact that you openly express the desire to start shooting at illegals and I think you may find there are others who might want to remove you from the gene pool before you can act on these fantasies.

I am reactive, not proactive.

So, I'm not about to look for any targets.

I would not recommend that you be the one to break into my home whilst I am here, however. Would be very bad karma for you.
Some 20 years ago, I put about 100 rounds into a defunct water heater tank in my basement.......nice grouping too, I might add. Browning stainless semiauto......nice piece.

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"Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster