@ Luke I have noticed that you are running the latest nVidia drive for the 260.
From other posts and from my own usage of the driver over the last weekend.
The concencius is that the driver is slower than the 191.07 driver for Cuda.
I had a GPU giving computation errors,so I thought I would try the latest driver. It works ok but is about 2 or 3 mins slower on average.
I had a wager on your RAC at the end of the month being 16k on you new rig,but I would rather help you get a better cruncher.

Dave

WTF!!! I uninstall my current driver... and my screen goes to 1 monitor an to 800x600. And I can't reinstall my driver! WTF! I get an error saying nVidia did not find any compatible hardware trying to install the 191.07, and I try and install my driver from my EVGA CD and I get told it can only be used for WinXp & Vista!

WTF do I do now? I'm stuck with 1 monitor only and 800x600 resolution!

Calm down....LOL.

Try going into Control Manager (or whatever they call it in 7) and remove all nvidia drivers....
Reboot and cancel any attempts at 7 installing your card.
Try the install of the 191.07 again.

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@ Luke I have noticed that you are running the latest nVidia drive for the 260.
From other posts and from my own usage of the driver over the last weekend.
The concencius is that the driver is slower than the 191.07 driver for Cuda.
I had a GPU giving computation errors,so I thought I would try the latest driver. It works ok but is about 2 or 3 mins slower on average.
I had a wager on your RAC at the end of the month being 16k on you new rig,but I would rather help you get a better cruncher.

Dave

WTF!!! I uninstall my current driver... and my screen goes to 1 monitor an to 800x600. And I can't reinstall my driver! WTF! I get an error saying nVidia did not find any compatible hardware trying to install the 191.07, and I try and install my driver from my EVGA CD and I get told it can only be used for WinXp & Vista!

WTF do I do now? I'm stuck with 1 monitor only and 800x600 resolution!

Calm down....LOL.

Try going into Control Manager (or whatever they call it in 7) and remove all nvidia drivers....
Reboot and cancel any attempts at 7 installing your card.
Try the install of the 191.07 again.

Downloading my original driver now (195.xx), from EVGA this time. I will try again once it's finished.

Drivers. The most outrageous time vampires of all time!

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- Luke.

Same error as before. Nvidia found no hardware compatible with blah blah blah.

3 different drivers. None of them work. Now what???

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@ Luke I have noticed that you are running the latest nVidia drive for the 260.
From other posts and from my own usage of the driver over the last weekend.
The concencius is that the driver is slower than the 191.07 driver for Cuda.
I had a GPU giving computation errors,so I thought I would try the latest driver. It works ok but is about 2 or 3 mins slower on average.
I had a wager on your RAC at the end of the month being 16k on you new rig,but I would rather help you get a better cruncher.

Dave

WTF!!! I uninstall my current driver... and my screen goes to 1 monitor an to 800x600. And I can't reinstall my driver! WTF! I get an error saying nVidia did not find any compatible hardware trying to install the 191.07, and I try and install my driver from my EVGA CD and I get told it can only be used for WinXp & Vista!

WTF do I do now? I'm stuck with 1 monitor only and 800x600 resolution!

Calm down....LOL.

Try going into Control Manager (or whatever they call it in 7) and remove all nvidia drivers....
Reboot and cancel any attempts at 7 installing your card.
Try the install of the 191.07 again.

Downloading my original driver now (195.xx), from EVGA this time. I will try again once it's finished.

Drivers. The most outrageous time vampires of all time!

LOL...indeed.

But before you try the 195, do try the 191 first....if you can get it to install correctly, it is better for GPU crunching production.

You can always go through the removal process and installation of 195 if you do not get your dual monitor thingy to work right, but I don't think that 195 has anything to do with that....it was to launch the Fermi cards, and slightly hamstrings our current cards.

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OMG. Mark... you are a legend... Quick reboot and 7 automagically reinstalls the driver - albeit 195.xx.

Now - anyway to safely downgrade to 191.07, without making my monitors seem like I am living in the days of 800x600 Windows?

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- Luke.

OMG. Mark... you are a legend... Quick reboot and 7 automagically reinstalls the driver - albeit 195.xx.

Now - anyway to safely downgrade to 191.07, without making my monitors seem like I am living in the days of 800x600 Windows?

Try uninstalling the drivers as I suggested, and then run the 191 install....

It may seem like a maze sometimes, but a few reboot cycles usually sets things right in the end....

You did get rid of that pre-bios launch crap, didn't you?
You should have a pretty fast booting rig.

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OMG. Mark... you are a legend... Quick reboot and 7 automagically reinstalls the driver - albeit 195.xx.

Now - anyway to safely downgrade to 191.07, without making my monitors seem like I am living in the days of 800x600 Windows?

Try uninstalling the drivers as I suggested, and then run the 191 install....

It may seem like a maze sometimes, but a few reboot cycles usually sets things right in the end....

You did get rid of that pre-bios launch crap, didn't you?
You should have a pretty fast booting rig.

New problem. BOINC now isn't recognize the GPU at all.
I've tried going through the unified installed process again... but it still doesn't recognize it...

Suggestions?

As for the ExpressGate crap, yeah - like you said, it as just a disable/enable option in the BIOS.

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- Luke.

New problem. BOINC now isn't recognize the GPU at all.
I've tried going through the unified installed process again... but it still doesn't recognize it...

Suggestions?

As for the ExpressGate crap, yeah - like you said, it as just a disable/enable option in the BIOS.

What driver did you end up with?

Try to get going with the 190.62 or 191.07.....

Do you get your dual monitor setup going?

Then, we'll try to sort the Boinc thingy.

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New problem. BOINC now isn't recognize the GPU at all.
I've tried going through the unified installed process again... but it still doesn't recognize it...

Suggestions?

As for the ExpressGate crap, yeah - like you said, it as just a disable/enable option in the BIOS.

What driver did you end up with?

Try to get going with the 190.62 or 191.07.....

Do you get your dual monitor setup going?

Then, we'll try to sort the Boinc thingy.

Ugh. Just as I saw the message, I clicked install to driver 195.
BOINC is now reporting a GPU, so all is well in BOINC land.
Dual Monitors and resolution are working and on HD.

Which still now leaves the question of how I downgrade a driver?

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- Luke.

New problem. BOINC now isn't recognize the GPU at all.
I've tried going through the unified installed process again... but it still doesn't recognize it...

Suggestions?

As for the ExpressGate crap, yeah - like you said, it as just a disable/enable option in the BIOS.

What driver did you end up with?

Try to get going with the 190.62 or 191.07.....

Do you get your dual monitor setup going?

Then, we'll try to sort the Boinc thingy.

Ugh. Just as I saw the message, I clicked install to driver 195.
BOINC is now reporting a GPU, so all is well in BOINC land.
Dual Monitors and resolution are working and on HD.

Which still now leaves the question of how I downgrade a driver?

Luke....if you want to try to back down the driver, you have to first uninstall the current one.
Then I would reboot.
If 7 gives you an option to reinstall the current or last driver, cancel it.
The run the install for 190.62 or 191.07...it should not matter which one.

It should install correctly....

Or, if you are tired of fighting with it, and are willing to accept a few percent loss in GPU crunching.......stand down, and be happy that Windows is letting you crunch at all........ROFLMAO.

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New problem. BOINC now isn't recognize the GPU at all.
I've tried going through the unified installed process again... but it still doesn't recognize it...

Suggestions?

As for the ExpressGate crap, yeah - like you said, it as just a disable/enable option in the BIOS.

What driver did you end up with?

Try to get going with the 190.62 or 191.07.....

Do you get your dual monitor setup going?

Then, we'll try to sort the Boinc thingy.

Ugh. Just as I saw the message, I clicked install to driver 195.
BOINC is now reporting a GPU, so all is well in BOINC land.
Dual Monitors and resolution are working and on HD.

Which still now leaves the question of how I downgrade a driver?

Luke....if you want to try to back down the driver, you have to first uninstall the current one.
Then I would reboot.
If 7 gives you an option to reinstall the current or last driver, cancel it.
The run the install for 190.62 or 191.07...it should not matter which one.

It should install correctly....

Or, if you are tired of fighting with it, and are willing to accept a few percent loss in GPU crunching.......stand down, and be happy that Windows is letting you crunch at all........ROFLMAO.

Standing down. 7 & BOINC appears to be happy as they are.
I can handle a few percent loss in crunching.

But, why should the EVGA CD say that this driver only runs on Vista, when in fact, 7 was fundamentally designed to run everything Vista does.

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Oooops
Sorry if I have caused you a problem Luke.
I only posted about the driver before I came to work and have just seen the problem I caused you.
As Mark has said you need to go to Device Manager and Uninstall the Display Device,it will give you the option to uninstall the drivers for the device,tick yes.
You then need to go to your c drive and delete the NVIDIA folder,that is where WinDoze looks and reinstalls at boot up.
Then do a Reboot.
WinDoze will the look for pre install folder (not there)and you just have a VGA compatible card.
Then install the 191.07 driver.
Dave

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New problem. BOINC now isn't recognize the GPU at all.
I've tried going through the unified installed process again... but it still doesn't recognize it...

Suggestions?

As for the ExpressGate crap, yeah - like you said, it as just a disable/enable option in the BIOS.

What driver did you end up with?

Try to get going with the 190.62 or 191.07.....

Do you get your dual monitor setup going?

Then, we'll try to sort the Boinc thingy.

Ugh. Just as I saw the message, I clicked install to driver 195.
BOINC is now reporting a GPU, so all is well in BOINC land.
Dual Monitors and resolution are working and on HD.

Which still now leaves the question of how I downgrade a driver?

Luke....if you want to try to back down the driver, you have to first uninstall the current one.
Then I would reboot.
If 7 gives you an option to reinstall the current or last driver, cancel it.
The run the install for 190.62 or 191.07...it should not matter which one.

It should install correctly....

Or, if you are tired of fighting with it, and are willing to accept a few percent loss in GPU crunching.......stand down, and be happy that Windows is letting you crunch at all........ROFLMAO.

Standing down. 7 & BOINC appears to be happy as they are.
I can handle a few percent loss in crunching.

But, why should the EVGA CD say that this driver only runs on Vista, when in fact, 7 was fundamentally designed to run everything Vista does.

I would guess that because the CD was cut before 7 was launched, it does not know what 7 is, and therefore, disallows the install.
It does not recognize the current OS, so will not continue.

A version downloaded from the EVGA or nvidia sites has probably been updated to work with 7....

I just tried to verify that the 190.62 and 191.07 drivers are listed as compatible on the nvidia website, but it is down at the moment.

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The problem with those installer is that they are installers & as was pointed out may not know what a new OS is.

In my opinion I rather just have a driver & let me install it myself. If you want the nvidia driver & don't want to deal with installer issues I'll outline a bit of a workaround.

Run the driver install package & let it extract the contents. Leave the installer open without selecting anything & open explorer. Now go to the path where the driver was extracted. This is C:\Nvidia for the default nvidia package. From there you can copy the driver & put it in a safe place. Now you can close/cancel the installer without having to deal with "this is not for your OS" kind of messages again.

Open Device Manager, select your video card, & choose Properties. Select the driver tab. Then use the "rollback driver" option. Then you really want to reboot so it finishes getting the old driver crap out. Once you reboot go back into Device Manager an use the "update driver software" option. Pointing it at the folder where you saved your driver.

At my work I keep a repository of drivers on a server so I don't have to deal with installer issues. It also keep down on the amount of other software the video card makers like to install that I don't want.

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The problem with those installer is that they are installers & as was pointed out may not know what a new OS is.

In my opinion I rather just have a driver & let me install it myself. If you want the nvidia driver & don't want to deal with installer issues I'll outline a bit of a workaround.

Run the driver install package & let it extract the contents. Leave the installer open without selecting anything & open explorer. Now go to the path where the driver was extracted. This is C:\Nvidia for the default nvidia package. From there you can copy the driver & put it in a safe place. Now you can close/cancel the installer without having to deal with "this is not for your OS" kind of messages again.

Open Device Manager, select your video card, & choose Properties. Select the driver tab. Then use the "rollback driver" option. Then you really want to reboot so it finishes getting the old driver crap out. Once you reboot go back into Device Manager an use the "update driver software" option. Pointing it at the folder where you saved your driver.

At my work I keep a repository of drivers on a server so I don't have to deal with installer issues. It also keep down on the amount of other software the video card makers like to install that I don't want.

I will have to check this out at some time in the future......

I at some times wanted to isolate a nvida dll or driver or such.

Just never knew how to do it without running the auto install full package BS.

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I will have to check this out at some time in the future......

I at some times wanted to isolate a nvida dll or driver or such.

Just never knew how to do it without running the auto install full package BS.

Well that's how my mind works. "How do I get rid of all this stuff I don't need"

This also make it really handy since at work we ghost machines so they have many OS's on them. So checking to see if out software has an issue with a specific video driver is much faster this way. Running an installer may only take a few minutes. When you multiply that few minutes by 3 or 4 drivers for each OS & you are doing 12 OS's it adds up really quick.

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@Luke,
Whenever I have recently run into problems changing nVidia driver versions, I have had 100% success using ccleaner to remove all traces of the old version before attempting to load the desired version. The steps I use are:
1: Download (Save) the desired nVidia drivers.
2: Uninstall the nVidia drivers via the Control Panel.
3: Reboot into "Safe Mode"
4: Run the ccleaner and remove all traces of nVidia drivers
5: Reboot - cancelling out of Windoze automatic "Intalling Drivers"
6: Run the downloaded installer.

Works every time for me. YMMV. Good luck.

F.

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@Luke,
Whenever I have recently run into problems changing nVidia driver versions, I have had 100% success using ccleaner to remove all traces of the old version before attempting to load the desired version. The steps I use are:
1: Download (Save) the desired nVidia drivers.
2: Uninstall the nVidia drivers via the Control Panel.
3: Reboot into "Safe Mode"
4: Run the ccleaner and remove all traces of nVidia drivers
5: Reboot - cancelling out of Windoze automatic "Intalling Drivers"
6: Run the downloaded installer.

Works every time for me. YMMV. Good luck.

F.

You would be well advised to stop BOINC, and disable any auto-run at startup before embarking on this procedure.

@Luke,
Whenever I have recently run into problems changing nVidia driver versions, I have had 100% success using ccleaner to remove all traces of the old version before attempting to load the desired version. The steps I use are:
1: Download (Save) the desired nVidia drivers.
2: Uninstall the nVidia drivers via the Control Panel.
3: Reboot into "Safe Mode"
4: Run the ccleaner and remove all traces of nVidia drivers
5: Reboot - cancelling out of Windoze automatic "Intalling Drivers"
6: Run the downloaded installer.

Works every time for me. YMMV. Good luck.

F.

You would be well advised to stop BOINC, and disable any auto-run at startup before embarking on this procedure.

Well spotted, Richard.
Stopping Boinc I took as read - but you are correct, it should have been included as Step 1. Auto-run on my Vista set-up requires manual confirmation (UAC) so I just cancel at the dialogue box. But, again, I should have remembered it.

F.

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I just tried to verify that the 190.62 and 191.07 drivers are listed as compatible on the nvidia website, but it is down at the moment.

They have a version that is Win 7 compatible for both, I have both and 190.38 saved. Using 191.07 on my Win 7 box.

-Dave

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