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Message 933803 - Posted: 16 Sep 2009, 18:43:53 UTC

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Message 933816 - Posted: 16 Sep 2009, 19:39:34 UTC

There are not enough AP wu's! We demand more... and a shrubbery!
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Message 933840 - Posted: 16 Sep 2009, 20:40:31 UTC - in response to Message 933816.  

and a nice white picket fence that runs along it.


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Message 933869 - Posted: 16 Sep 2009, 22:40:28 UTC - in response to Message 933816.  

There are not enough AP wu's! We demand more... and a shrubbery!

.... one that looks nice.
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Message 934027 - Posted: 17 Sep 2009, 16:29:42 UTC
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Nothing to complain about here... Everything's working perfectly...Too perfectly.

That's what scares me. It's like knowing there's a huge storm just on the other side of the mountain and you can't see any trace of it. And you have no idea when it's going to hit, but you know for a fact it's going to hit and hit hard..

I'm just messing around. A little bored maybe. And I'm not that paranoid until the meds wear off.
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Message 934311 - Posted: 18 Sep 2009, 16:23:43 UTC - in response to Message 934027.  

Nothing to complain about here... Everything's working perfectly...Too perfectly.

That's what scares me. It's like knowing there's a huge storm just on the other side of the mountain and you can't see any trace of it. And you have no idea when it's going to hit, but you know for a fact it's going to hit and hit hard..

I'm just messing around. A little bored maybe. And I'm not that paranoid until the meds wear off.


I know I'm scared too. :)

As it was said that data may run out for a short while. This will probably be the next "storm", or at least a storm of posts about "is there something wrong with the servers I can't download anything"
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Message 934316 - Posted: 18 Sep 2009, 16:53:35 UTC - in response to Message 934311.  



I know I'm scared too. :)

As it was said that data may run out for a short while. This will probably be the next "storm", or at least a storm of posts about "is there something wrong with the servers I can't download anything"
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I just read Matt's posts. "No new data until early November". and "we have only a few drives full of data on our shelf, and maybe a few drives down at Arecibo".

All these years with SETI and I can't remember an outage that's lasted weeks. It's going to be interesting to see how people react to this..
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Message 934323 - Posted: 18 Sep 2009, 17:33:32 UTC - in response to Message 934316.  

All these years with SETI and I can't remember an outage that's lasted weeks. It's going to be interesting to see how people react to this..

Only if your definition of "interesting" includes "boring" and "predictable."
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Message 934341 - Posted: 18 Sep 2009, 19:29:07 UTC - in response to Message 934323.  

Einstein is running, QMC is running, CPDN is running, AQUA should release a new multithreading app next week. Only LHC is missing. So my Opteron 1210 will have both cores occupied even if SETI stalls.
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Message 934348 - Posted: 18 Sep 2009, 19:40:24 UTC


Again 'no jobs available'? Over weeks??

I am slowly dulled. [Don't know how use better words]

In short..

NO COMMENTARY.

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Message 934350 - Posted: 18 Sep 2009, 19:44:27 UTC
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[Extension of my upper post]




There is/are really no work/disks laying around in Berkeley, which wasn't calculated with the new 'Enhanced Enhanced app'?
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Message 934354 - Posted: 18 Sep 2009, 19:55:01 UTC - in response to Message 934348.  


Again 'no jobs available'? Over weeks??

I am slowly dulled. [Don't know how use better words]

In short..

NO COMMENTARY.

"NO COMMENTARY" is commentary. ... and, as I said, predictable.

You choose: should they queue up a bunch of "busy" work with no content, or should they let people devote their efforts to other worthy projects?

Pick a second project, one that you're only mildly interested in, and give it a 5% resource share. That'll keep you from running out.

Or, shut down most of your machines and enjoy the quiet.

They're trying to get the software radar blanking working so they can run data that is otherwise contaminated, but it's probably better to assume they won't get that working, and we're going to get a break.

... there will be no work, just as SETI@Home has always promised.
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Message 934356 - Posted: 18 Sep 2009, 20:05:59 UTC - in response to Message 934350.  

[Extension of my upper post]

There is/are really no work/disks laying around in Berkeley, which wasn't calculated with the new 'Enhanced Enhanced app'?

There's a lot of data from the multibeam recorder at NERSC HPSS that hasn't been done yet, but it doesn't have the "hardware" radar blanking information. That's why Matt is concentrating on his software blanking. If he gets that working as intended it will allow using that data. So don't panic, but be prepared for at least some shortage of work. Whatever it is in human psychology which causes the panic reaction, it's not a useful element. Thinking ahead and planning is the way to avoid it when you have enough information to do so.
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Message 934362 - Posted: 18 Sep 2009, 20:25:47 UTC

Well, looks like some quite times will be on the way. Im running Milkyway on myu mac now. but its a chore because 6.6.36 thinks milkyway dosnet have enough time to run. Thats why i havent run it on the i7. But i will if seti goes dark, no work no conflict with milkyway. Iam thinking that 8 cores and a cuda should get my milkyway rac up a tad though.

Ok heres a stupid question. If seti goes quite for a month how fast will the rac drop? How long will we be able to post in the boards?
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Message 934363 - Posted: 18 Sep 2009, 20:26:35 UTC
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@ Joe

Why Matt didn't used your 'easy' words to explain what's going on/will happen?

I'm not a SETI@home profession/scientist.
I have no big knowledge about what's going on behind the curtain.

I know there're WUs for my PCs and that's all.. ;-)

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Message 934367 - Posted: 18 Sep 2009, 20:42:01 UTC - in response to Message 934323.  

All these years with SETI and I can't remember an outage that's lasted weeks. It's going to be interesting to see how people react to this..

Only if your definition of "interesting" includes "boring" and "predictable."


No, but I think you just described my life.
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Message 934380 - Posted: 18 Sep 2009, 21:48:16 UTC - in response to Message 934363.  
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@ Joe

Why Matt didn't used your 'easy' words to explain what's going on/will happen?

I'm not a SETI@home profession/scientist.
I have no big knowledge about what's going on behind the curtain.

I know there're WUs for my PCs and that's all.. ;-)

That's why we have these forums, so users can help users. Matt does a very good job of passing on technical details, but doesn't have time to explain all the reasoning behind that information. And there are facts which he has to consider every day which he may not realize others don't know. We all tend to not explain what is very obvious to ourselves.

In his Rainy Day Data (May 14 2009) post Matt gave counts of the files in storage at NERSC. In terms of completely unsplit data, there's not enough to last until November. However, we did a lot of MB work before AP was ready so there should be many files which haven't yet been split for AstroPulse. My guess is sometime early in October the MB work will run out but the project will continue to provide AP work (assuming software radar removal working).
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Message 934436 - Posted: 19 Sep 2009, 1:42:15 UTC
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@ Joe

And whom or what we could blame now/then, that we could/are run out of MB work then?


Yes, the life isn't perfectly. Nothing is going 100 % well.
Normally I would say.. (maybe) ..'BS' can happen..
But in the Gauntlet time.. ohh.. my RAC will fall like a stone, because my GPU cruncher can only eat MB WUs.
Yes, I could also crunch AP WUs on the GPU cruncher, but only on the CPU..
So ~ 5,000 RAC instead of ~ 52,000.. - down to ~ 1/10..

Ohh.. what a 'blamage/pain'..

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Message 934445 - Posted: 19 Sep 2009, 2:28:03 UTC - in response to Message 934436.  

And whom or what we could blame now/then, that we could/are run out of MB work then?

No one ever promised an uninterrupted flow of work.

You don't blame people for doing what they promised.

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Message 934448 - Posted: 19 Sep 2009, 3:20:36 UTC


O.K., O.K., maybe I forgot the - ;-) - after the/my posted line.

But honest, what's now the prob - that we will not have enough MB WUs?

The receiver in Arecibo?

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