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Message 910022 - Posted: 22 Jun 2009, 3:47:57 UTC - in response to Message 909961.


I dont think the costs is the problem in this crisis.
Its more the rules.

FIA will give some hanycaps to the teams.

Lets say Force India can use 18000 rpm with the engine Ferrari 17000 and Mc Laren 17500.
Thats stupid thinking.



Are the F1 cars running with restrictor plates this year? I know Nascar has been using restrictor plates for several years.


NASCAR only uses restrictor plates at Daytona and Talladega in an attempt to keep the cars under 200mph. The full bodied cars do strange things above 200.



One would think with all of the technology they could make the full bodied cars stable above 200mph.



They can, in a straight line, but when those corners come up at 200+.

A couple of years ago someone (I think it was Rusty Wallace) took the new Sprint Cup car to Talladega for a test without a restrictor plate and ran a lap at 225+. But he was alone on the track, not with 42 other cars disturbing the air around him.

If he had had a drafting partner, you could add at least 10 mph on top of the 225.



I notcied this year the rear wing has changed shape. It looks more like A road course car wing.


Yes its a new rule.
Front wings are wider and rear wings are smaller to reduce top speed.




The front wing is so long it looks like A broom lol

I acts like one too. At todays race I notice an extra mechanic whos job was to clean the front wings.
I should add that part of the wing change was to make it easier to pass. With the older, larger wing, the cars could not get close to each other. The air was just too distrubed. They are also trying to make the sport more exciting.
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Message 910810 - Posted: 24 Jun 2009, 18:58:41 UTC

In F1, the primary reasons for the threatened split, were Max Mosley and his autocratic style of governance and the teams having no say on the rules, he was trying to bring in. How can you have budget caps, when the rules keep changing on a whim?

Lets be quite honest here, if you keep changing the rules every season (as it seemed), you are creating additional costs....that nice 3 litre V10 that once worked so well and had a development path, became a rather expensive piece of scrap metal, when the regs changed to using a 2.4 litre V8. You can't just saw off 2 cylinders (both engines are 300cc per cylinder) and expect it to work. About the only things that could have been used from the bare V10 engine, would've been the pistons, rings, rods, a few bearings and some nuts and bolts - the rest goes in the bin. Any engineer, knows that unit cost reductions come with longevity of production, with a development path, production volume and this just wasn't happening. A smaller engine, with the smaller masses involved, will also tend to be one that will rev higher.

Mosley, who is not an engineer, but a barrister (lawyer) just couldn't see this blinding piece of logic. The same principles for the regulation changes to the front and rear wings, also apply. Changes cost money. Gone are the days when the engineers for racing teams, were enthusiasts who basically worked for the love of it and a couple of drinks in the pub! Good engineers, also cost money. Time spent, prototyping, testing, modifying and making something brand new, costs money - lots of it. The smaller teams, who used 'customer engines', were not the ones who bore the brunt of the costs involved with making new engines etc - it was the manufacturers like Mercedes, Toyota, Ferrari, Renault and formerly, Honda.

While an agreement has been reached, I can't see why there should not be, super-charged or turbo-charged engines allowed to be used, with capacity restrictions and allowances also made to permit even diesel engines to be used. Years ago, in F1, we had cars with turbo-charged engines using active suspension...now look at it!



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Message 910849 - Posted: 24 Jun 2009, 20:22:21 UTC
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The first details of the peace deal between rebel FOTA teams and the FIA are beginning to emerge.

Max Mosley, now to step down as FIA President in October, announced after Wednesday's World Motor Sport Council meeting in Paris that a cost reductions package had paved the way to a compromise deal between the warring sides.

Peace in F1: the first details
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Message 910859 - Posted: 24 Jun 2009, 20:39:19 UTC

Formula One came to the very brink of losing the greater majority of its teams and drivers in favour of a breakaway series, but a last-minute compromise deal worked out between the FIA and the eight members of the Formula One Teams Association has now secured a few years of peace.

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Message 911072 - Posted: 25 Jun 2009, 4:11:01 UTC - in response to Message 910859.
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It's good to see that they reached and agreement. Two open wheel championships is not good for the sport. Look at the US. We had IRL and Indy cars. Not sure if we still do. Never bothered to check them out. There is and should only be 1 F1.
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Message 911142 - Posted: 25 Jun 2009, 9:50:42 UTC

I totally agree with you Carlos.
Like i´ve expected Max Mosley has to go to save formula one.

Fota has shown the FIA can´t do what ever they want.

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Message 911342 - Posted: 25 Jun 2009, 19:05:03 UTC

I will be pleased, when Mad Max has actually gone. His tenure has been a rather troublesome one, to say the least. Perhaps we will see some of the 'dumped circuits' make a very welcome returm to the F1 season and be rid of the 'staged events'. I might even hold my breath.....but not for too long! lol



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Message 911380 - Posted: 25 Jun 2009, 21:00:24 UTC - in response to Message 911342.

I will be pleased, when Mad Max has actually gone. His tenure has been a rather troublesome one, to say the least. Perhaps we will see some of the 'dumped circuits' make a very welcome returm to the F1 season and be rid of the 'staged events'. I might even hold my breath.....but not for too long! lol




How many years has he been linked to F1?

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Message 911384 - Posted: 25 Jun 2009, 21:06:53 UTC - in response to Message 911380.

I think Mad Max has been the 'big cheese' at the FIA for about 15 years. All you have to do, is spot when the really silly rules started coming in, like, no tyre changes (potentially life-threatening) etc, etc.....



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Message 911401 - Posted: 25 Jun 2009, 21:31:13 UTC - in response to Message 911384.

I think Mad Max has been the 'big cheese' at the FIA for about 15 years. All you have to do, is spot when the really silly rules started coming in, like, no tyre changes (potentially life-threatening) etc, etc.....





How in the heck did he get his current job? Did someone owe him A favor?

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Message 911408 - Posted: 25 Jun 2009, 21:47:18 UTC - in response to Message 911401.

One can only conclude that, as per any lawyer, he spoke loudly to some people and said nothing to others, That, is probably something you could trace back to his involvement with his father's politics (Oswald Mosley - in 1930's UK).



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Message 911561 - Posted: 26 Jun 2009, 7:44:17 UTC

A former barrister and amateur racing driver, Mosley was a founder and co-owner of March Engineering, a successful racing car constructor and Formula One racing team. He looked after legal and commercial issues for the company between 1969 and 1977. In the late 1970s, Mosley became the official legal adviser to the Formula One Constructors Association (FOCA), the body which represents Formula One constructors. In this role he drew up the first version of the Concorde Agreement, which settled a long-standing dispute between FOCA and the Fédération Internationale du Sport Automobile (FISA), the then governing body of Formula One. Mosley was elected president of FISA in 1991 and became president of the FIA, FISA's parent body, in 1993.

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Message 911640 - Posted: 26 Jun 2009, 13:13:43 UTC - in response to Message 911561.

A former barrister and amateur racing driver, Mosley was a founder and co-owner of March Engineering, a successful racing car constructor and Formula One racing team. He looked after legal and commercial issues for the company between 1969 and 1977. In the late 1970s, Mosley became the official legal adviser to the Formula One Constructors Association (FOCA), the body which represents Formula One constructors. In this role he drew up the first version of the Concorde Agreement, which settled a long-standing dispute between FOCA and the Fédération Internationale du Sport Automobile (FISA), the then governing body of Formula One. Mosley was elected president of FISA in 1991 and became president of the FIA, FISA's parent body, in 1993.



Quite incrdible, really, that he 'forgot his roots', but then, it also says much about him and how out of touch he has become. I was aware of his involvement with March, which made his actions in recent years even more difficult to understand. Oh well, at least he is going....




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Message 911684 - Posted: 26 Jun 2009, 15:02:00 UTC - in response to Message 911640.

A former barrister and amateur racing driver, Mosley was a founder and co-owner of March Engineering, a successful racing car constructor and Formula One racing team. He looked after legal and commercial issues for the company between 1969 and 1977. In the late 1970s, Mosley became the official legal adviser to the Formula One Constructors Association (FOCA), the body which represents Formula One constructors. In this role he drew up the first version of the Concorde Agreement, which settled a long-standing dispute between FOCA and the Fédération Internationale du Sport Automobile (FISA), the then governing body of Formula One. Mosley was elected president of FISA in 1991 and became president of the FIA, FISA's parent body, in 1993.



Quite incrdible, really, that he 'forgot his roots', but then, it also says much about him and how out of touch he has become. I was aware of his involvement with March, which made his actions in recent years even more difficult to understand. Oh well, at least he is going....



Umm, don't go counting chickens just yet:

It is apparent a trade-off has unfolded - with the current teams now due to be on the grid for 2010, and without Mosley as ruler. It has to be remembered though that five years ago, in June 2004, Mosley announced he would stand down from his position in October of that year - only to rescind his decision a month later.


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Message 912357 - Posted: 28 Jun 2009, 16:40:15 UTC

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Message 912660 - Posted: 29 Jun 2009, 16:42:55 UTC - in response to Message 912357.

Aston Martin LMP 1 car




Ever since I saw the movie La Mans, I liked those colors. Do you know you can actually buy a replica of the PORSCHE 917K You can have your copy with a race motor or street motor.
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Message 912772 - Posted: 30 Jun 2009, 1:08:55 UTC - in response to Message 912660.

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Ever since I saw the movie La Mans, I liked those colors. Do you know you can actually buy a replica of the PORSCHE 917K You can have your copy with a race motor or street motor.



I have A 1:18 scale from Auto Art of the Porsche 917 that was filmed in the movie.

I would like to drive one some day.
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Message 912834 - Posted: 30 Jun 2009, 7:11:08 UTC


I once drove a Porsche street car at the Hockenheim race track.
It was a 928 S it was amazing.
330 KM/h was the fastest i´ve reached.

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Message 913457 - Posted: 3 Jul 2009, 2:05:27 UTC - in response to Message 912834.


I once drove a Porsche street car at the Hockenheim race track.
It was a 928 S it was amazing.
330 KM/h was the fastest i´ve reached.


I always like the 928S especially the sound when take off !! :o)

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Message 913478 - Posted: 3 Jul 2009, 4:07:03 UTC

Want to drive a Formula 1 race car? Fans are invited to sample the new Abu Dhabi circuit. If you want to try your hands behind the wheel of a virtual F1 car, here is the link to the Yas Marina virtual experience. Get ready for a big download and have fun.
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