Could someone knowledgeable summarize how cuda is architected, to save the rest of us some time?

For example, it seems that the application is written in VS/C++. So that is a Window's platform. How does it gain access to the GPU resources?

Does the cuda app appear in the task manager as separate process? That is, say, on a quad would I see 4 processes running on the quad and 1 more running, which is the cuda? Or would I see 4 'normal' and 4 'cudas'?

Is there a problem with buying a cuda-capable card and putting it into my oldest machine (dual P-II) for seti-only purposes?

By the way, is the VS/C++ cuda application actually a .NET application, too?

It gets video card resources through the drivers.

It will run 4+1 if the gpu task is not high priority, if it is then it will be 3+1

The only thing is that you need a PCI-Express slot... most older pc's wouldn't have that.

~Bob

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What does 4+1 and 3+1 mean???

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The number of tasks that will run on a quad core

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and you won't be able to install any PCI-E card on an old P2-p3 or early p4 mobo. Cuda cards and PCI-E are for modern CPU/Mobo combos. THus Cuda is meant to be used with newer CPU's/Mobo's only

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I thought I read that Seti will run on the Cuda card only, not on both the CPU and the Cuda card concurrently....
Is that information incorrect, or has it changed?

And in the case of 2 Cuda cards in one rig....do they each take a cpu core?

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It should be posssible to write an app_info file that would crunch MB using CUDA on the GPU and another project (AP) on the remaining CPU cores.

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The behaviour I saw with my CUDA enabled box last night is that SETI@Home Enhanced workunits were only being run on the GPU. My guess, for machines that have multiple GPUs, is that they'll run one client per card.

Because Enhanced workunits were not being allocated to CPUs, I had some utilisation issues (less than 8 threads being used on my i7) until my other projects decided to let me have some more work.

I'm currently trying to decide whether the trade-off between a 20-fold increase in reported processing times for Enhanced workunits plus more compute errors and being forced to used an unoptimised Astropulse client while the CUDA client stabilises is worth it.

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It should be posssible to write an app_info file that would crunch MB using CUDA on the GPU and another project (AP) on the remaining CPU cores.

It should be possible, yes, but I decided against it last night as I decided to hold off from using one for now. I'm waiting because I've seen a significant number of compute errors from the CUDA client and I wouldn't be at all surprised if the project administrators issues a bugfix or similar update to it in the next few days.

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I thought I read that Seti will run on the Cuda card only, not on both the CPU and the Cuda card concurrently....
Is that information incorrect, or has it changed?

And in the case of 2 Cuda cards in one rig....do they each take a cpu core?

6.4.5 BOINC allows for 4CPU + a 1 GPU I haven't read anything here that says you can't get 2 gpu's crunching. Give it a try and let everyone know how it goes.

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Im running Dual 8800GTS's, no problem.

Its not burning any WU's on the quad CPu tho.. just feeding the dual GPU's.

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It should be posssible to write an app_info file that would crunch MB using CUDA on the GPU and another project (AP) on the remaining CPU cores.

It should, Yes, but I've now flushed a couple of cachefulls trying, and hit the download limit :C. Have managed to make it not delete AKv8 anymore at least, but it's not liking duplicate application version blocks, and goes straight to GPU or vice versa.

Won't know if AP will function in parallel again until I get more work for it.

What I'd really like, if anybody manages to work out if it's even possible, is to have my dual core running AKv8 Multibeam + GPU running the new app.

Cheers.

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Trying to answer directly:

... it seems that the application is written in VS/C++. So that is a Window's platform. How does it gain access to the GPU resources?

By using nVidia graphics drivers/libraries just as you would for drawing graphics on the screen. The only differences are the names of the routines, the parameters passed, and from that what is actually done on the system.

Does the cuda app appear in the task manager as separate process? That is, say, on a quad would I see 4 processes running on the quad and 1 more running, which is the cuda? Or would I see 4 'normal' and 4 'cudas'?

Your task manager should only see the supporting CPU routines/threads. The GPU processing and processes are internal to the graphics card. There may well be a utility somewhere to show you what the GPU is processing.

If/when the Boinc configuration supports it, you should get to see your usual CPU-based WUs doing their stuff and then additionally further low CPU utilisation tasks that are supporting GPU operation. I'd expect that aspect will take a bit of debugging to settle down yet.

Is there a problem with buying a cuda-capable card and putting it into my oldest machine (dual P-II) for seti-only purposes?

Yes: Waste of effort and expense?

I really doubt it would be worthwhile going to the trouble and expense of adding a ISA/PCI -> PCIe adapter -> PCIe CUDA GPU only for the system to be strangled by the low data bandwidth available to swap results around. And that assumes that you also upgrade the old PSU and cooling!

Better would be to add additional CUDA GPUs to your main recent PCIe PC. Or even put together a minimalist PCIe CUDA farm!

By the way, is the VS/C++ cuda application actually a .NET application, too?

Depends on what development tools they are using. Why do you ask?

I would guess that once the Windows version has stabilised, then development effort will go into making other platforms available (Linux, Mac new OS, others?).

All just my own uninformed guesses. Developers please jump in as necessary!

Happy fast crunchin',
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It should be posssible to write an app_info file that would crunch MB using CUDA on the GPU and another project (AP) on the remaining CPU cores.

It should, Yes, but I've now flushed a couple of cachefulls trying, and hit the download limit :C. Have managed to make it not delete AKv8 anymore at least, but it's not liking duplicate application version blocks, and goes straight to GPU or vice versa.

Won't know if AP will function in parallel again until I get more work for it.

What I'd really like, if anybody manages to work out if it's even possible, is to have my dual core running AKv8 Multibeam + GPU running the new app.

Cheers.

I believe you would have to specify another project for the CPU cores once you have MB running on the GPU.

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I believe you would have to specify another project for the CPU cores once you have MB running on the GPU.

Oh well, certainly not how I pictured it should work. Will have to ramp up multithreaded experimentation and use all cores + GPU instead.

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Well, I'm not going to be able to try this new CUDA stuff until my new video card arrives either Friday or Monday. Meanwhile I have installed Boinc 6.4.5 and am currently crunching the cache down. Funny thing is that the work is being done in EDF and high priority mode as I crunch it down. Also downloaded the CUDA video driver version 178.28.

Currently working to set up an app_info file that would crunch MB on the NVIDIA video card under CUDA and optimized AP on the CPU cores. This should be possible. This is what I have so far.

<app_info>	
    <app>
        <name>setiathome_enhanced</name>
    </app>
    <file_info>
        <name>setiathome_6.05_windows_intelx86__cuda.exe</name>
        <executable/>
    </file_info>
    <file_info>
	<name>cudart.dll</name>
	<executable/>
    </file_info>
    <file_info>
	<name>cufft.dll</name>
	<executable/>
    </file_info>
    <file_info>
	<name>libfftw3f-3-1-1a_upx.dll</name>
	<executable/>
    </file_info>
    <app_version>
        <app_name>setiathome_enhanced</app_name>
        <version_num>605</version_num>
        <file_ref>
            <file_name>setiathome_6.05_windows_intelx86__cuda.exe</file_name>
            <main_program/>
	<file_ref>
		<file_name>cudart.dll</file_name>
	</file_ref>
	<file_ref>
		<file_name>cufft.dll</file_name>
	</file_ref>
	<file_ref>
		<file_name>libfftw3f-3-1-1a_upx.dll</file_name>
        </file_ref>
    </app_version>
    <app>
	<name>astropulse</name>
    </app>
    <file_info>
	<name>ap_5.00r69_SSE3.exe</name>
	<executable/>
    </file_info>
    <file_info>
	<name>libfftw3f-3-1-1a_upx.dll</name>
	<executable/>
    </file_info>
    <app_version>
	<app_name>astropulse</app_name>
	<version_num>500</version_num>
	<file_ref>
	    <file_name>ap_5.00r69_SSE3.exe</file_name>
	    <main_program/>
	</file_ref>
	<file_ref>
	    <file_name>libfftw3f-3-1-1a_upx.dll</file_name>
	</file_ref>
    </app_version>
</app_info>

The nice thing is since the files required for CUDA and MB are supplied by Seti then they should download from SETI when Boinc starts up with this app_info file.

Anyone see any problems with this app_info code???

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That looks very similar to what I was coming up with, except I'm not sure that Enhanced needs libfftw3f-3-1-1a_upx.dll; from the name I think cufft.dll is where the fast Fourier transforms are taking place.

I'll try and test it when I get home later.

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Jasson_Gee listed libfftw3f-3-1-1a_upx.dll as one required by CUDA. It's required for AP 5.00 but may not be required for CUDA.

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Need to add the <coproc> & other fields ... I think if you want autodownload you might have to put url tags for the files as well, though not sure. [Haven't tried that part myself]

probably don't need all these extra, but definitely the coproc section. I think the ncpus fields is part of what allows boinc to decide how many to run.

<app_name>setiathome_enhanced</app_name>
<version_num>605</version_num>
<plan_class>cuda</plan_class>
<avg_ncpus>0.025947</avg_ncpus>
<max_ncpus>0.025947</max_ncpus>
<flops>3702857142.857143</flops>
<api_version>6.3.22</api_version>
<coproc>
<type>CUDA</type>
<count>1</count>
</coproc>

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Jasson_Gee listed libfftw3f-3-1-1a_upx.dll as one required by CUDA. It's required for AP 5.00 but may not be required for CUDA.

If it isn't there, it pops up with a dialog box saying "couldn;t find DLL ..." ... So yes you need that one too :)

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