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BeefDog Send message Joined: 9 Feb 00 Posts: 91 Credit: 146,476 RAC: 0 |
Which is what I said in my post. The privilages are controlled by the rules. But a poster still has the right to express himself in a way accepted by the "rules".No argument from me there, assuming the poster in question hasn't lost the privileges already. I even think rules can be flexible depending on circumstance and context (Thank goodness! we all make mistakes). But just how flexible do you be?... and when is a firm hand the best? Sometimes it has to be, for the good of the community, that rules are enforced to the fullest, and there are those that will test them beyond those limits in the future. On most programming forums I visit, bans are permanent and include IP bans. The rules here are simple and clear, and for most of us I think we do pretty well to respect them. Let's stop pushing the rules beyond design limits, and give it a go. Just banning someone without giving them a chance is also not the right way. Do people get warned here in the the form of a PM? http://www.therageclub.com |
Blurf Send message Joined: 2 Sep 06 Posts: 8962 Credit: 12,678,685 RAC: 0 |
Beefdog---my understanding was that there was a PM sent out a few weeks back explaining what could happen and that involved people were given an opportunity to step forward and lay out their position. If they chose not to take action on that PM then there's not much else to be said. |
BrainSmashR Send message Joined: 7 Apr 02 Posts: 1772 Credit: 384,573 RAC: 0 |
I tend to think many people don't understand the difference between 'rights' and 'privileges'. Anyone has rights within limits, sure, however IMO this forum, and any individual's ability to post here, are a privilege and so can be taken away if it is abused. That's incorrect. If you truly understand the difference between rights and privileges, then what exactly do you think gives you "a right" to participate on these forums? Participation in Seti@Home? Sorry, the BOINC app is independent of the forum. That you haven't violated any of the posted rules? That means nothing more than the content of your post(s) is acceptable. Do I think the post should remain for all to see? Absolutely, but that doesn't mean I have "a right" to see it or that the admin would be unjust in hiding it. I really just don't understand how some folks think they have "a right" to other people's property.... |
BeefDog Send message Joined: 9 Feb 00 Posts: 91 Credit: 146,476 RAC: 0 |
I tend to think many people don't understand the difference between 'rights' and 'privileges'. Anyone has rights within limits, sure, however IMO this forum, and any individual's ability to post here, are a privilege and so can be taken away if it is abused. As I said in my post, I or any other user is privileged to participate in the forum as long as the rules are adherred to. I never said that anyone has a right to post here. I said that he has a right to express his opinion. http://www.therageclub.com |
BrainSmashR Send message Joined: 7 Apr 02 Posts: 1772 Credit: 384,573 RAC: 0 |
Well if "no one" has a right to post here, then the logical conclusion is that no one has a right to express their opinion here either, regardless of their adherence to the rules. |
BeefDog Send message Joined: 9 Feb 00 Posts: 91 Credit: 146,476 RAC: 0 |
You're mixing privileges with right again.... http://www.therageclub.com |
BrainSmashR Send message Joined: 7 Apr 02 Posts: 1772 Credit: 384,573 RAC: 0 |
No YOU'RE mixing privilege with right. The only people with "rights" here are those who have been granted authority by the owners and their distinction is clearly indicated by the term admin. |
BeefDog Send message Joined: 9 Feb 00 Posts: 91 Credit: 146,476 RAC: 0 |
The dicussion was that people have a right to express their opinion and not where they have that right. Or do you deny that people have the right to express themselves? I am granted the privilege to express my opinion on this board. A board admin however has the right to take that privilege away but he can't take my right to express my privilege. My right to express is still existant even if my privilege is gone.... http://www.therageclub.com |
jason_gee Send message Joined: 24 Nov 06 Posts: 7489 Credit: 91,093,184 RAC: 0 |
The dicussion was that people have a right to express their opinion and not where they have that right. Or do you deny that people have the right to express themselves? Ahh yes, now I think I see where you are coming from, allow me to make some adjustments: - you have right to express yourself (depending on where you live) - you have the privilege of posting on this forum. - you have the responsibility to stay with the posting rules. - the moderators & admin have the responsibility (not right or privilege) to enforce the rules, whereby they may remove your privileges ... BUT... you probably still have the right to express yourself in the Park. "Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions. |
BeefDog Send message Joined: 9 Feb 00 Posts: 91 Credit: 146,476 RAC: 0 |
The dicussion was that people have a right to express their opinion and not where they have that right. Or do you deny that people have the right to express themselves? I think you just about summed that up correctly! http://www.therageclub.com |
BeefDog Send message Joined: 9 Feb 00 Posts: 91 Credit: 146,476 RAC: 0 |
ermmm... I think that violates the rules BD you might want to edit that Which is actually the job of a good mod/admin, to show people rather than just using their authority and not explaining why.... http://www.therageclub.com |
jason_gee Send message Joined: 24 Nov 06 Posts: 7489 Credit: 91,093,184 RAC: 0 |
No, that's your job/responsibility as a privileged poster, to understand and abide by the rules. The moderators are there to enforce them [where you fail to abide by them]. ...[Good move ;D congratulations on discovering the art of self moderation ;D] "Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions. |
BeefDog Send message Joined: 9 Feb 00 Posts: 91 Credit: 146,476 RAC: 0 |
No, that's your job/responsibility as a privileged poster, to understand and abide by the rules. The moderators are there to enforce them [where you fail to abide by them]. Point taken! http://www.therageclub.com |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
Moderators are only supposed to communicate via PM as a last form of communication. Once a user has been modded, the user is sent an email and is usually given an explanation in the email itself. |
timmygadget Send message Joined: 29 Oct 00 Posts: 201 Credit: 767,090 RAC: 0 |
I can see that my little exercise in free speech rapidly degenerated into personal attacks. The former thread on this topic, with specific instructions for "light moderation", has been locked. I have not yet decided whether or not to hide it. ditto Whiskey, http://timmygadget.blogspot.com/ http://www.mikesbawx.org/~timmygadget/ |
jason_gee Send message Joined: 24 Nov 06 Posts: 7489 Credit: 91,093,184 RAC: 0 |
Moderators are only supposed to communicate via PM as a last form of communication. Once a user has been modded, the user is sent an email and is usually given an explanation in the email itself.Makes sense, as I suppose the PM's aren't meant as a reliable/logged/archived mechanism for accountability purposes. Email makes better sense then (where available) as header information is pretty detailed and replies can contain email reply history verifying the conversation on both sides. "Living by the wisdom of computer science doesn't sound so bad after all. And unlike most advice, it's backed up by proofs." -- Algorithms to live by: The computer science of human decisions. |
Mike Send message Joined: 17 Feb 01 Posts: 34258 Credit: 79,922,639 RAC: 80 |
Well said Siran. I agree. There are a few persons wich can say what ever they want its allways true. And others are allways liers. In my point of view its a shame. To be honest its the right of the admins to cancel a contract by any meanings. But hasn´t every volunteer the right to protect himself. Some of the "enemys" was banned again and again for no reasons. I allways believed in the good things but you changed me. With each crime and every kindness we birth our future. |
KWSN Ekky Ekky Ekky Send message Joined: 25 May 99 Posts: 944 Credit: 52,956,491 RAC: 67 |
My own impressions of the whole thing thus far: 1. Some years ago there was some modding in the Cafe that those modded thought went too far. 2. Those modded fought back in a variety of ways. 3. The mods concerned are alleged to have used underhand tactics as a result of (2.) This may, according to the group, have gone as far as criminal activity. 4. There were many and various skirmishes fought all over the Internet and especially here in these pages. 5. In desperation at never getting "justice" rightly or wrongly, one faction set up their own board where they discussed various mods / former mods in both derogatory and non-derogatory terms and the action some of them took. 6. Evidence of what they perceived to be a mod "conspiracy" and other perfectly legitimate activity was ultimately obtained by the wrongful use of a dead mod's password. 7. This further access to present-time mod activities was wrongly used and circulated by a handful of the original group of 30, by no means all. Several strongly dissented from the activities. 8. ACTION. Admin finally took note of some of what has gone on and has terminated certain persons' access. 9. ACTION? Was anything ever done about the earlier allegations about the mods of the time? 10. The public and private rankle continues with some giving way to triumphalism, others to despair and the rest of us wondering if the "truth" will ever come out. 11. Several crunchers threaten to leave S@H for ever. More to follow? 12. A private and/or public enquiry into the whole mess needs to be undertaken with proper evidence taken from all concerned. I only want to know the end result and not the detail. Look, truth will out eventually and if not handled properly it will be immensely damaging. At present there seem to be at the very least two completely opposing "truths". My own suspicion is that there just may have been some heavy-handed modding at some point in the past that was either not fully justified or was not reversed by Admin of the day. The resulting resentment has boiled and seethed on both sides ever since, just leading to further and greater resentment by all parties. Some sort of Truth Commission along South African lines is the only way to get to the bottom of it all. What I have written above is certain to be wholly inadequate and cannot possibly pass muster as a proper factual examination: I do not and cannot know more than a tiny proportion of the facts, only what I can divine from recent information published here. This will not go away and will inevitably damage S@H both here and in the wider world. I want to get back to the basics of why we are here in the first place: crunching for S@H. There simply has to be a full resolution of all these differences and what has caused them. The shouting just has to stop. |
Daniel Send message Joined: 21 May 07 Posts: 562 Credit: 437,494 RAC: 0 |
Very well summed up I think. I just want to know, are there changes being made to prevent this kind of thing in the future? We have some very knowledgeable people here who I am sure can help secure an email list. But I guess it boils down to time. If a retired mod is not taken off the email list then doesn't part of the blame rest on the shoulders of those who sat around and did not remove his email? Daniel |
kittyman Send message Joined: 9 Jul 00 Posts: 51468 Credit: 1,018,363,574 RAC: 1,004 |
Very well and calmly stated EKKY. Let's all get on with the crunching and let the admins mop up a bit. "Freedom is just Chaos, with better lighting." Alan Dean Foster |
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