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Message 793360 - Posted: 5 Aug 2008, 22:48:39 UTC
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If it is going to be one of those threads...

anyone remember:

the 8" floppy?
IBM'$ 2311, 2314, or 3330? (all with "disk packs" - swappable storage that weighed in at (about) 20 lbs?
7 track reel2reel tape drives?
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Message 793365 - Posted: 5 Aug 2008, 22:54:57 UTC - in response to Message 793048.  

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For a while at the beginning of the PC there were full height bays that were not drilled for half height drives. I had a PC with 2 full height bays like this (each with one full height floppy drive installed). The hard disks (there were none for PCs when I bought my first) ended up in an external drive bay (with 2 full height bays that were drilled for half height use). I haven't seen a full height drive in almost 2 decades.


You just haven't frequented the right stores... try "Weird Stuff" in Sunnyvale, CA. - they still have full-height drives. (not necessarily working!)
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Message 793375 - Posted: 5 Aug 2008, 23:04:04 UTC - in response to Message 793224.  

My first personal computer, in about 1980, had a full-height 5.25" floppy drive in an external enclosure linked by an S100-bus ribbon cable - it cost about the same as the (48KB memory) computer it was attached to. I've still got it in my cellar (basement).

And your not using it to crunch SETI?

What do you think it's been doing for the last ten years? It's still on its first Classic WU.....
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Message 793464 - Posted: 6 Aug 2008, 2:00:24 UTC - in response to Message 793365.  

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For a while at the beginning of the PC there were full height bays that were not drilled for half height drives. I had a PC with 2 full height bays like this (each with one full height floppy drive installed). The hard disks (there were none for PCs when I bought my first) ended up in an external drive bay (with 2 full height bays that were drilled for half height use). I haven't seen a full height drive in almost 2 decades.


You just haven't frequented the right stores... try "Weird Stuff" in Sunnyvale, CA. - they still have full-height drives. (not necessarily working!)

I have not been in a junk yard in quite a while, and it is not worth the 5K mile round trip.


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Message 793465 - Posted: 6 Aug 2008, 2:01:21 UTC - in response to Message 793360.  

If it is going to be one of those threads...

anyone remember:

the 8" floppy?
IBM'$ 2311, 2314, or 3330? (all with "disk packs" - swappable storage that weighed in at (about) 20 lbs?
7 track reel2reel tape drives?

I also remember a picture of either Mr. Hewlett or Mr. Packard wearing a T Shirt with an 8" floppy pocket...


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Message 793468 - Posted: 6 Aug 2008, 2:03:31 UTC - in response to Message 793360.  

If it is going to be one of those threads...

anyone remember:

the 8" floppy?
IBM'$ 2311, 2314, or 3330? (all with "disk packs" - swappable storage that weighed in at (about) 20 lbs?
7 track reel2reel tape drives?


Aw, come on, everybody knows about those. How about the 2319 'Pizza ovens'? And the brand new 3370/3375s that replaced those 3350s? (3370/3375s were the same piece of hardware, but the 3370 was configured as FBA and the 3375 was a CKD device).

Ah, the joys of popping plugs when you needed a pack on a different address. (Or when it lost an interrupt).
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Message 793807 - Posted: 6 Aug 2008, 17:58:17 UTC - in response to Message 793468.  
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If it is going to be one of those threads...

anyone remember:

the 8" floppy?
IBM'$ 2311, 2314, or 3330? (all with "disk packs" - swappable storage that weighed in at (about) 20 lbs?
7 track reel2reel tape drives?


Aw, come on, everybody knows about those. How about the 2319 'Pizza ovens'? And the brand new 3370/3375s that replaced those 3350s? (3370/3375s were the same piece of hardware, but the 3370 was configured as FBA and the 3375 was a CKD device).

Ah, the joys of popping plugs when you needed a pack on a different address. (Or when it lost an interrupt).


Ahh, but have you actually operated any of the above? This old-timer has...
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Message 793890 - Posted: 6 Aug 2008, 21:59:48 UTC - in response to Message 793807.  

If it is going to be one of those threads...

anyone remember:

the 8" floppy?
IBM'$ 2311, 2314, or 3330? (all with "disk packs" - swappable storage that weighed in at (about) 20 lbs?
7 track reel2reel tape drives?


Aw, come on, everybody knows about those. How about the 2319 'Pizza ovens'? And the brand new 3370/3375s that replaced those 3350s? (3370/3375s were the same piece of hardware, but the 3370 was configured as FBA and the 3375 was a CKD device).

Ah, the joys of popping plugs when you needed a pack on a different address. (Or when it lost an interrupt).


Ahh, but have you actually operated any of the above? This old-timer has...

Been there - done that - and have the T-shirt to prove it... ;)

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Message 794006 - Posted: 7 Aug 2008, 2:11:12 UTC - in response to Message 793890.  
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If it is going to be one of those threads...

anyone remember:

the 8" floppy?
IBM'$ 2311, 2314, or 3330? (all with "disk packs" - swappable storage that weighed in at (about) 20 lbs?
7 track reel2reel tape drives?


Aw, come on, everybody knows about those. How about the 2319 'Pizza ovens'? And the brand new 3370/3375s that replaced those 3350s? (3370/3375s were the same piece of hardware, but the 3370 was configured as FBA and the 3375 was a CKD device).

Ah, the joys of popping plugs when you needed a pack on a different address. (Or when it lost an interrupt).


Ahh, but have you actually operated any of the above? This old-timer has...

Been there - done that - and have the T-shirt to prove it... ;)

F.


Ditto, starting on a 360-30 with 96K (as in K-bytes, not Mega-bites) of memory.

[edit]One thing I never had a chance to see or work on is the old Data-cell storage unit (forget the number)[/edit]
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Message 794048 - Posted: 7 Aug 2008, 5:20:27 UTC - in response to Message 793360.  

If it is going to be one of those threads...

anyone remember:

the 8" floppy?
IBM'$ 2311, 2314, or 3330? (all with "disk packs" - swappable storage that weighed in at (about) 20 lbs?
7 track reel2reel tape drives?

Of course. I've got a few 8" DSDD floppies put away (not sure why, other than I won't throw them out now, too novel).

I used a 2311 type drive on a couple of different systems.

Never used 7 track tape, ours were all 9 track. We used them to move data between systems, and we prayed that the drives all "drifted" more or less together. 800 BPI NRZ was not as forgiving as 1600 BPI PE.

You didn't mention core memory.
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Message 794127 - Posted: 7 Aug 2008, 12:20:18 UTC - in response to Message 794048.  

If it is going to be one of those threads...

anyone remember:

the 8" floppy?
IBM'$ 2311, 2314, or 3330? (all with "disk packs" - swappable storage that weighed in at (about) 20 lbs?
7 track reel2reel tape drives?

Of course. I've got a few 8" DSDD floppies put away (not sure why, other than I won't throw them out now, too novel).

I used a 2311 type drive on a couple of different systems.

Never used 7 track tape, ours were all 9 track. We used them to move data between systems, and we prayed that the drives all "drifted" more or less together. 800 BPI NRZ was not as forgiving as 1600 BPI PE.

You didn't mention core memory.


As in "threading of"?

All this chat about magnetic media is uber-modern. Real muscles were needed using a teletype to put Algol programmes on punched tape to feed an Elliott 803... ;)

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Message 794129 - Posted: 7 Aug 2008, 12:36:02 UTC - in response to Message 794127.  

If it is going to be one of those threads...

anyone remember:

the 8" floppy?
IBM'$ 2311, 2314, or 3330? (all with "disk packs" - swappable storage that weighed in at (about) 20 lbs?
7 track reel2reel tape drives?

Of course. I've got a few 8" DSDD floppies put away (not sure why, other than I won't throw them out now, too novel).

I used a 2311 type drive on a couple of different systems.

Never used 7 track tape, ours were all 9 track. We used them to move data between systems, and we prayed that the drives all "drifted" more or less together. 800 BPI NRZ was not as forgiving as 1600 BPI PE.

You didn't mention core memory.


As in "threading of"?

All this chat about magnetic media is uber-modern. Real muscles were needed using a teletype to put Algol programmes on punched tape to feed an Elliott 803... ;)

F.

Real muscles? Teletype?

What about the all-mechanical Hollerith card punches I used in a data preparation centre, c. 1970? No electo-mechanical assistance al all. Numerical input was easy - just one plunger per digit - but if you were programming (I think it was an ICT 1301), you had to remember each separate three-finger-salute for the symbols.

FYI, I'm still a two-finger hunt and peck typist, and to this day I type using the middle finger of each hand, rather than the index fingers. Not so much health&safety in those days: I was taught it by the permanent female staff in the data prep room (I was just on summer vacation work experience), who had worked it out for themselves that they got less RSI that way.
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Message 794184 - Posted: 7 Aug 2008, 15:18:19 UTC - in response to Message 794129.  

Real muscles? Teletype?

What about the all-mechanical Hollerith card punches I used in a data preparation centre, c. 1970? No electo-mechanical assistance al all...

Try cranking this? (From 1849)

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