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History of the Space Family and Czech Boinc Team
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Pepo Send message Joined: 5 Aug 99 Posts: 308 Credit: 418,019 RAC: 0 |
Sometimes around mid February 2008, a new Czech team Space Family was founded, joining previous Czech Boinc Team members and few others. There was just one problem: Space Family did not start from beginning (0 C$T of team credit), they started (officially) with Czech Boinc Team's credit by renaming their teams to Space Family. Should be no problems, as CBT was actually supposed to be "their team". But there was a problem. Not all credit, which belonged to CBT, has been crunched by CBT members and not all credit, contained in SF (up to 34,119,853 C$T on 9 Jul 2008), has been crunched by both CBT and SF members. Overall BOINC-wide. Who is interested, can take a look at this BOINC dev thread and few other projects' threads, linked from there. Back to SETI@Home. To get some nice startup portfolio, you have to take a look for some fat, rich and dead (or at least apparently inactive long enough) team, ask for its foundership and kick off all previous members. On Seti it was not that obvious, but it happened like this on most other projects. Team with ID=19786 seemed to be unused, so it was chosen to be renamed to Space Family. From Detailed statistics for team "Space Family": BoincSynergy's Team member Movements for Space Family in SETI@Home page with past team ID=19786's members. First CBT / SF member to come was Barbar on 14 Dec 2007, long after the team have built nearly its whole credit, mostly by user ID=2601 now SNG@AUSTRIA-NATIONAL-TEAM.AT (started there on 07 Nov 2006 with 0 C$T and left the team on 23 Jul 2007 with 6,629,799 C$T). From Detailed statistics for user "SNG@AUSTRIA-NATIONAL-TEAM.AT": (It remains questionable, why other 2 members also left the team on 23 Jul 2007. User aalavandhaann remained crunching teamless until 01 Nov 2007, when he entered E.T.HUNTERS. User reveler also continued to crunch teamless.) A look at the WayBackMachine Internet Archive: I've tried to find some statistics export files: and found 3 unique team xml files available, although with no creation dates, but their creation date can be approximated to the creation date of the last team in the file (highest team ID). I've found no users stats exports stored, possibly because of their huge size. 27-Apr-2006: <team> <id>19786</id> <type>2</type> <name>Systema Austria & members</name> <userid>2601</userid> <total_credit>41181.282764</total_credit> <expavg_credit>72.729925</expavg_credit> team RAC = 72.73 <expavg_time>1140659366.621760</expavg_time> = 23-Feb-2006 1:49:27 <nusers>2</nusers> <founder_name>Systema - Human Information Systems</founder_name> <create_time>0</create_time> <url>www.systema.co.at</url> <name_html>Systema Austria & members</name_html> <country>Austria</country> </team> Last team in the file: <team> <id>125639</id> <type>0</type> <name>axiomatrix</name> <userid>148804</userid> <total_credit>27.421073</total_credit> <expavg_credit>2.715154</expavg_credit> <expavg_time>1146152055.884610</expavg_time> <nusers>0</nusers> <founder_name>axiomatrix</founder_name> <create_time>1146151986</create_time> = 27-Apr-2006 15:33:06 <country>United Kingdom</country> </team> 18-May-2006: <team> <id>19786</id> <type>2</type> <name>Systema Austria & members</name> <userid>2601</userid> <total_credit>41181.282764</total_credit> <expavg_credit>72.729925</expavg_credit> team RAC = 72.73 <expavg_time>1140659366.621760</expavg_time> = 23-Feb-2006 1:49:27 <nusers>2</nusers> <founder_name>Systema - Human Information Systems</founder_name> <create_time>0</create_time> <url>www.systema.co.at</url> <name_html>Systema Austria & members</name_html> <country>Austria</country> </team> Last team in the file: <team> <id>126030</id> <type>0</type> <name>~Deathcoil~</name> <userid>7966523</userid> <total_credit>29.202626</total_credit> <expavg_credit>2.891225</expavg_credit> <expavg_time>1147980578.878200</expavg_time> <nusers>1</nusers> <founder_name>tubbana</founder_name> <create_time>1147980308</create_time> = 18-May-2006 19:25:08 <url>koti.mbnet.fi/tubbana</url> <country>None</country> </team> 2-Jan-2007: <team> <id>19786</id> <type>2</type> <name>Systema Austria & members</name> <userid>2601</userid> <total_credit>1941144.406910</total_credit> <expavg_credit>20544.189662</expavg_credit> team RAC = 20,544.19 <expavg_time>1167792143.604370</expavg_time> = 3-Jan-2007 2:42:24 <nusers>4</nusers> <founder_name>Systema - Human Information Systems</founder_name> <create_time>0</create_time> <url>www.systema.co.at</url> <name_html>Systema Austria & members</name_html> <country>Austria</country> </team> Last team in the file: <team> <id>130448</id> <type>0</type> <name>Debian!</name> <userid>8381231</userid> <total_credit>204.686946</total_credit> <expavg_credit>19.870806</expavg_credit> <expavg_time>1167781042.401670</expavg_time> = 2-Jan-2007 23:37:22 <nusers>2</nusers> <founder_name>Nivek</founder_name> <create_time>1167745613</create_time> = 2-Jan-2007 13:46:53 <name_html>Debian!</name_html> <country>Germany</country> </team> According to the files, team with ID=19786 was Austrian team, it's name (during at least 27-Apr-2006 - 2-Jan-2007) was "Systema Austria & members" and founder name was "Systema - Human Information Systems", again the ID=2601. Two more queries for SETI@Home Top Teams (with offset=60 and offset=80) revealed 3 pages containing team with ID=19786, from dates: 12.3.2007: Rank=82 Name=SNG Austria & members Members=1 RAC=24,282.91 Total credit=3,543,889.27 Country=Austria 19.3.2007: Rank=76 Name=SNG Austria & members Members=1 RAC= 26,242.35 Total credit=3,732,556.06 Country=Austria 22.3.2007: Rank=76 Name=SNG Austria & members Members=1 RAC=26,306.03 Total credit=3,822,275.29 Country=Austria Everywhere still the same Austrian user from the same Austrian team. Until the Winter 2007... ----- I'd like to vote for renaming this team with ID=19786 to it's last known name "SNG Austria & members", setting its country to "Austria" and making user with ID=2601 back the team's founder. Peter |
Whl. Send message Joined: 18 Jul 08 Posts: 1 Credit: 794 RAC: 0 |
Look at what this team "Space Family" has gained on their best 5 days of highjacking teams all over different BOINC projects and renaming them. You can see where this graphic comes from HERE on that statistics page that Peter posted. They only have 20+ members with nowhere near enough crunching power to earn that by legit means. Over 6 Mllion of those credits were when they stole our team "Teddies" at Rosetta, which we have since recovered thanks to the Rosetta admins. A few other admins have taken action against this "Space Family" too. Please read THIS thread at the BOINC Dev forums that Peter already posted admins. I hope that you will take action too. Thanks Will. |
mo.v Send message Joined: 7 May 08 Posts: 92 Credit: 5,382 RAC: 0 |
Peter's spent a lot of time researching this problem and documenting what he's discovered in threads on Rosetta, boinc_dev and Predictor. The admins on some projects (even Predictor) have already returned hijacked teams to their original rightful owners. It would be a good idea for members of lesser-known teams that have had periods of crunching inactivity to check their accounts on all their projects to see whether their team is still intact and they still belong to it (same team name, all or most of the same members as before). |
Pepo Send message Joined: 5 Aug 99 Posts: 308 Credit: 418,019 RAC: 0 |
Barbar is back from his holiday and posted following on Space Family's Czech forum: Barbar wrote: Ahoj vÅ¡em, jsem zpÄ›t z dovolené. ZatÃÂm jen zběžnÄ› jsem pÃ…â„¢ebÄ›hl fóra nemám ÄÂas na vyÄÂerpávajÃÂcàreakci, ale protože se na moji reakci ÄÂeká, tak alespoň struÄÂnÄ›: I'll try to translate it into English (please bear with my approach), without any further comments: Hello to everyone, I'm back from holiday. I've just briefly run through the forums and have no time for a comprehensive response, but because my response is expected, at least briefly: Peter |
OzzFan Send message Joined: 9 Apr 02 Posts: 15691 Credit: 84,761,841 RAC: 28 |
So this guy is blaming the system for allowing him to do it, and that he didn't anticipate that the system didn't/wouldn't/couldn't email the original founder of sieged teams. To some extent, I can understand his point. But what about the ethics involved? Does he not take responsibility for his actions? Did he really think it was ok to 'take over' a bunch of teams thinking that those who wanted to keep their teams would prevent it, and those that didn't prevent it deserve to have their team taken away from them? There's something very disturbing about his logic. |
John McLeod VII Send message Joined: 15 Jul 99 Posts: 24806 Credit: 790,712 RAC: 0 |
So this guy is blaming the system for allowing him to do it, and that he didn't anticipate that the system didn't/wouldn't/couldn't email the original founder of sieged teams. To some extent, I can understand his point. But what about the ethics involved? Does he not take responsibility for his actions? Did he really think it was ok to 'take over' a bunch of teams thinking that those who wanted to keep their teams would prevent it, and those that didn't prevent it deserve to have their team taken away from them? Unfortunately, there are some people with no ethics. BOINC WIKI |
mo.v Send message Joined: 7 May 08 Posts: 92 Credit: 5,382 RAC: 0 |
I also find it disturbing that in the top post of the Space Family forum thread that Pepo links to, Merlin should find it necessary to call himself 'chief of diplomacy Space Family'. I hope Space Family is the only BOINC team that needs one of these. 'Diplomacy' probably seemed an easier option than an unreserved apology. |
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