Interesting how the planes wings slice through the steel outer beams like butter while at the Pentagon they shatter into little bitty pieces. Magic!

No, not magic. Simple physics.

The WTC buildings were just skyscrapers, built to the normal construction specs for such things in the early 60s.

Conversely, the Pentagon was built as a military structure, designed and built to to be bomb-proof, with bomb-proof windows. That building was designed and built during WWII with the expectation that it may have to withstand direct, determined, and well-armed military attackers. So, of course the wings of a plane hitting such a thing would "shatter into little bitty pieces." Duh.

Like building 7?

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Nice work bobby,

I didn't remember those bulges when I used to refueled them.


BSmasher: It would only matter if your aluminum "shattering" theory wasn't accurate.

It wasn't my theory it was yours.

I just have enough sense to know what happens to moving object when they slam into concrete instead of glass.

Yet you lack the ability to see we humans are all the same species on Earth and choose a biggots path? (Confirmed by DNA markers.)

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Interesting how the planes wings slice through the steel outer beams like butter while at the Pentagon they shatter into little bitty pieces. Magic!

No, not magic. Simple physics.

The WTC buildings were just skyscrapers, built to the normal construction specs for such things in the early 60s.

Conversely, the Pentagon was built as a military structure, designed and built to to be bomb-proof, with bomb-proof windows. That building was designed and built during WWII with the expectation that it may have to withstand direct, determined, and well-armed military attackers. So, of course the wings of a plane hitting such a thing would "shatter into little bitty pieces." Duh.

Like building 7?

Only certain floors in WTC 7 were fighted with toughened glass.

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That's right,

It fell from fire... not a plane impact.

So the plane wings, carrying much of the fuel in the craft, got sheered into several large pieces, splashing fuel here and there, burns mostly in the first initial explosion, then goes on to take out the entire building even though multiple level fires had gutted the building before, yet it remained standing?

But a passport made it through to land safely in the hands of officials.

Bah, Humbug!?

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

That's right,

It fell from fire... not a plane impact.

So the plane wings, carrying much of the fuel in the craft, got sheered into several large pieces, splashing fuel here and there, burns mostly in the first initial explosion, then goes on to take out the entire building even though multiple level fires had gutted the building before, yet it remained standing?

But a passport made it through to land safely in the hands of officials.

Bah, Humbug!?

WRT to WTC7, fire and damage sustained by having several tons of debris falling through it following the collapses of WTC's 1 and 2.

WRT to WTC's 1 and 2, I'm not sure what you're saying, the fire didn't go out and then the buildings collapsed, the fires were still raging at the time of the collapses, and there's no evidence I know of to say they were gutted, do you have videos from inside the building showing otherwise?

WRT to the passport. One of the videos I posted earlier clearly shows that debris from the impact of UA 175 flew over the top of WTC 7, into Vesey Street and all over the WTC Plaza. While a passport cannot be made out it's not impossible that such a thing could happen. That a bystander found it and handed it in may simply be good fortune on the part of the US gov't. I admit that I find it hard to comprehend how this could have happened, but it's not really about how difficult it is to comprehend is it? Many things are difficult to understand and yet happen, why should my difficulty understanding this mean that it didn't happen?

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1 and 2 were crushed and still didn't collapse fully,


Remember the pictures?

I believe it was Rush who claimed it was burning material in the buildings causing them to fall.

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One of the oft cited "facts" the Half Truthers tell us is that WTC 1 and 2 both fell at free fall speeds. Generally this is linked with footage taken from across the Hudson or an aerial view from one of the news helicopters. What these angles fail to show is debris falling ahead of the towers. If debris can be seen below the line of collapse then the collapse isn't at free fall speed, right?

Take a look at this amatuer vid (at start +54 seconds). Looking up from West Greenwich (it's WTC 7 to the right), and pause the video and step through it. The collapse has already started, and we don't see it end (there's too much dust to see when WTC 1 has completely collapsed. But at several points between +54 seconds and +1min 06 seconds, debris can be seen below the line of collapse.

Unless the debris was fitted with rocket packs, this is surely evidence that WTC 1 did not fall a free fall speed. Physics eh, ain't it great?

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Dust indeed!

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1 and 2 were crushed and still didn't collapse fully.

Remember the pictures?

Perhaps you can show us some, so I understand what you mean. My recollections of the scene do not appear to match yours.

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Dust indeed!

Huh?

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Please, watch the video, then comment. If not dust then what?

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I watched the video and still am of the opinion that this is physically impossible. Sorry I disagree with you on this bobby. Nothing personal.

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I watched the video and still am of the opinion that this is physically impossible. Sorry I disagree with you on this bobby. Nothing personal.

What is physically impossible? The dust cloud?

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The collapse,

The dust is mentioned below in this thread, thus the ---scroll--- message.

I'd look for it but have to get back to some yard work before the sun goes down. Just had some food and now back I go.

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Nice work bobby,

I didn't remember those bulges when I used to refueled them.


BSmasher: It would only matter if your aluminum "shattering" theory wasn't accurate.

It wasn't my theory it was yours.

I just have enough sense to know what happens to moving object when they slam into concrete instead of glass.

Yet you lack the ability to see we humans are all the same species on Earth and choose a biggots path? (Confirmed by DNA markers.)

At least I don't have to LIE to support my stance.

BTW, when did intolerance come to mean that I don't consider someone human?

One would think at this point of the topic you'd have learned your lesson about making stuff up.

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You may as well be arguing with a religious zealot, Bobby.

He doesn't need proof to support his stance and ignores the physics that disprove it.

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Scroll down some BS masher,

This isn't the deep south.

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Ok, I'm back but tired,

For the debunkers:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ca6_1218181541

Sorry for the Parthian tactic. Will check in tomorrow. Tired.


Zzzzzzzzz

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Ok, I'm back but tired,

For the debunkers:

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ca6_1218181541

Sorry for the Parthian tactic. Will check in tomorrow. Tired.


Zzzzzzzzz

This is labelled "Proof That Bombs Were Planted In The Buildings?", however it fails to show us any, and fails to show us any evidence other than witness testimony of people hearing and seeing explosions. The two are very different. As has already been show, some of the sounds can be attributed to other things happening. People on the south side of WTC 1 may not have seen either plane,, but would hear the sounds and see the results, and may very well attribute what they saw and heard to "explosions" which in itself would be accurate, the planes did create explosions. The evidence of secondary devices is limited to reports of secondary devices, not that any were found, merely suspected.

Sorry MrGray, nothing personal, but this is the same old stuff repackaged, with nothing new of any substance. Nothing here supports your contention that the collapses were physically impossible, and nothing here relates to your questioning of my comments on the dust cloud obscuring the final part of WTC 2 collapsing in the video I linked.

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