Since they refuse to show the American people and the world the videos of the Pentagon strike I call foul. Nothing to hide? Then show us.

Sick of the "truthers"? Then show us.


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I've seen a few. One looks like a plane. One looks like it might be a missile. A couple of days ago, when I started following your thread, I saw one from a nearby gas station where no plane or anything striking the building at all is evident (only that there was an explosion). Maybe we should just believe all these contradictory things to play it safe? :)

I think you may have seen the "official" released video that's more of a picture show than a true video? Maybe every 50th frame?

That's what's weird about all this. They take the videos from the hotel and gas station and lose the pentagon camera videos too?

Can ya smell it?


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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Since they refuse to show the American people and the world the videos of the Pentagon strike I call foul. Nothing to hide? Then show us.

Sick of the "truthers"? Then show us.


.

I've seen a few. One looks like a plane. One looks like it might be a missile. A couple of days ago, when I started following your thread, I saw one from a nearby gas station where no plane or anything striking the building at all is evident (only that there was an explosion). Maybe we should just believe all these contradictory things to play it safe? :)

Oh for crying out loud, JUST DRINK the Kool-Aid.

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Since they refuse to show the American people and the world the videos of the Pentagon strike I call foul. Nothing to hide? Then show us.

Sick of the "truthers"? Then show us.


.

I've seen a few. One looks like a plane. One looks like it might be a missile. A couple of days ago, when I started following your thread, I saw one from a nearby gas station where no plane or anything striking the building at all is evident (only that there was an explosion). Maybe we should just believe all these contradictory things to play it safe? :)

Oh for crying out loud, JUST DRINK the Kool-Aid.

I liked Kool-Aid but this one's poop flavored!

:D


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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Since they refuse to show the American people and the world the videos of the Pentagon strike I call foul. Nothing to hide? Then show us.

Sick of the "truthers"? Then show us.


.

I've seen a few. One looks like a plane. One looks like it might be a missile. A couple of days ago, when I started following your thread, I saw one from a nearby gas station where no plane or anything striking the building at all is evident (only that there was an explosion). Maybe we should just believe all these contradictory things to play it safe? :)

Given that people like eye witness accounts, here's one from Mike Walter, the man who saw a "cruise missile with wings" (at least that's what you'll read in the French account).

And here you'll find several pictures of debris.

As for footage of the collision, there's some out there, including this. Not the best of angles, but it is a running camera (as opposed to stop motion).

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Since they refuse to show the American people and the world the videos of the Pentagon strike I call foul. Nothing to hide? Then show us.

Sick of the "truthers"? Then show us.


.

I've seen a few. One looks like a plane. One looks like it might be a missile. A couple of days ago, when I started following your thread, I saw one from a nearby gas station where no plane or anything striking the building at all is evident (only that there was an explosion). Maybe we should just believe all these contradictory things to play it safe? :)

Given that people like eye witness accounts, here's one from Mike Walter, the man who saw a "cruise missile with wings" (at least that's what you'll read in the French account).

And here you'll find several pictures of debris.

As for footage of the collision, there's some out there, including this. Not the best of angles, but it is a running camera (as opposed to stop motion).

Thanks bobby,

I'd like to see more. The pentagon has a plethora of cameras with many on the side hit.



The angle of that hotel video should show an object flying in from right to left. I found this link parallel to the video you posted:


http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/

Members:


Robert Balsamo
4000TT Commercial, Instrument, Multi, CFI II MEI
Corporate Chief Pilot
135 Capt
121 FO Independence Air/Atlantic Coast Airlines
King Air C-90/200, Dornier 328JET

Captain Russ Wittenberg (ret)
30,000+ Total Flight Time
707, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, 777
Pan Am, United
United States Air Force (ret)
Over 100 Combat Missions Flown
Has time in:
- N591UA (Aircraft dispatched as United 93)
- N612UA (Aircraft dispatched as United 175)

Captain Ross Aimer
UAL Ret.
CEO, Aviation Experts LLC
40 years and 30,000 hrs.
BS Aero
A&P Mech.
B-777/767/757/747/737/727/720/707, DC-10/-9/-8 Type ratings
Command time in:
- N591UA (Aircraft dispatched as United 93)
- N612UA (Aircraft dispatched as United 175)
www.AviationExperts.com

John Lear
Son of Bill Lear
(Founder, creator of the Lear Jet Corporation)
More than 40 years of Flying
19,000+ TT
23 Type ratings
Flight experience includes 707, DC-8, 727, L10-11

Jeff Latas
-Over 20 years in the USAF
--USAF Accident investigation Board President
--Flew the F-111, T38, and F-15E
--Combat experience in the F-15E includes Desert Storm and four tours of duty in Northern and Southern Watch
--Weapons Requirements Officer, USAF HQ, Pentagon
--Standard and Evaluations Flight Examiner, Command level
-Currently Captain for JetBlue Airways

Guy S. Razer, LtCol, USAF (Ret)
3,500+ Hours Total Flight Time
F-15E/C, F-111A/D/E/F/EF, F-16, F-18, B-1, Mig-29, SU-22, T-37/38, Various Cvilian Prop
Combat Time: Operation Northern Watch
USAF Fighter Weapons School Instructor
NATO Tactical Leadership Program Instructor/Mission Coordinator
USAF Material Command Weapons Development Test Pilot
Combat Support Coordination Team 2 Airpower Coordinator, South Korea
All Service Combat Identification Evaluation Team Operations Officer
Boeing F-22 Pilot Instructor
MS Aeronautical Studies, Embry-Riddle Aeronautical University

Field McConnell (Captain Sherlock?)
23,000+ hours
CV580,DC9,MD80,B727,A320,DC10
NCA,REP,NWA
A4,F4,F16 USN,USMC, ND ANG
www.captainsherlock.com
Forced to retire due 9/11 exposure
www.hawkscafe.com

Captain Paul A. Trood
B737-800/400 Captain
Qantas Airways
Australia
Experience: 18,000 flight hours

Jim Mustanich
ATP 20,000+ hours
Typed in CE-500, DHC-7, EMB-110, BA-3100
Aircraft flown include Boeing 727,737, Douglas DC-9, MD-80
United Air Lines, American International Airlines, Air Pacific Airlines, West Air Airlines
6-7 years corporate flying in Cessna Citations
Factory demo pilot for Cessna Citations

Ted Muga
Naval Aviator - Retired Commander, USNR
A/C experience - Grumman E-1 and E-2 ( Approx, 3800 hours )
Pan American World Airways - Retired Dec. 1991 ( that's when PanAM went bankrupt )
Flight Engineer/First Officer -- Boeing 707 & Boeing 727 ( approx. 7500 hours )

Col Robert Bowman
President of the Institute for Space and Security Studies
Executive Vice President of Millennium III Corporation
retired Presiding Archbishop of the United Catholic Church
101 combat missions in Vietnam
directed all the “Star Wars” programs under Presidents Ford and Carter
recipient of the Eisenhower Medal
George F. Kennan Peace Prize
President’s Medal of Veterans for Peace
Society of Military Engineers' ROTC Award of Merit (twice)
Six Air Medals
Ph.D. is in Aeronautics and Nuclear Engineering from Caltech
chaired 8 major international conferences
one of the country’s foremost experts on National Security
independent candidate for President of the US in 2000

John Panarelli
friend and fellow aviator of John Ogonowski - Capt. AA #11
ATP: L-300, B-737, DC-10, DC-8, FE, TT=approx. 11,000 hours
USAF-C141-IP, Eastern Metro, Braniff, Ryan International, Emery
Worldwide, Polar Air Cargo

Lt. Colonel Shelton F. Lankford
United States Marine Corps (ret)
A-4 Skyhawk, KC-130 (10,000+ hours)
S-2, T-1, F9F, F-11, OV-10, T–2J
303 Combat Missions

"DG"
10,000TT
Chief Pilot of Casino Express airlines
Director of Operations Training at Polar Air
Cargo, and Asst. Chief Pilot for Presidential Air
Manager of Flying for Eastern Airlines
Falcon 900 and a G-200
Check Captain
B737,A300, Da-50, G-200 and C-500
FE, A&P.

Dennis Spear
Army Aviator
20+ years - United States Army
7000 TT in a variety of fixed and rotary wing aircraft
C-23, C-7, U-21,U-8, T-39, EH-60, UH-60, UH-1, OH-58
Instrument Flight Examiner, Fixed Wing Instructor Pilot, H-60
Maintenance Test Pilot
Operations Officer, Aviation Safety Officer
FAA Commercial Pilot
- ASMEL, Rotorcraft Helicopter, Instrument Airplane/Helicopter

Scott Burley
747-400 First Officer
United Airlines
22 Years

Bill Credle
Aviation Maintenance Technician
American Airlines
17 Years

Tony Ryan
Warrant Officer RAAF (ret)
Former Royal Australian Air Force
Served between 18thFeb1958 and 21March1981
Flight Engineer on C130A, C130E, C130H and B707
Cathay Pacific Airways
L1011 Tristar Flight Engineer, B747-200, B747-300 and B747-200F
10000+ TT FE
Australian Private Pilot License
300 hours on C150, C152, C172, C172RG and Piper Archer aircraft

Alfons Olszewski
Veterans For Truth
Vietnam Veteran
Aircraft Maintenance Crew Chief
MOS: 67V20
qualified on Cobras, Hueys, and Loch Helicopters

George Nelson
Colonel USAF (Ret.)
30 year career managing aircraft maintenance activities
Licensed commercial pilot
Licensed airframe and powerplant mechanic
Aircraft accident investigator

Larry Patriarca
USN Aviation Structural Mechanic
VAQ 135, EA-6B Squadron, 1983-86
Coordinator for Central Mass 9/11 Truth Alliance
Member of Veterans for 9/11 Truth
Associate Member of Scholars for 9/11 Truth

Captain Steve Nieman
30 year Capt with Horizon Air
Q400

Joel Skousen
USMC Fighter/Attack Pilot (Vietnam Era)
1000+ TT, F-4, A-4, F-9, T-2C, various civilian planes
Commercial Pilot w/ Instrument, multi-engine ratings
EAA and AOPA member

Colonel Michael Harley USAF (ret)
Command pilot
~ 6000 Total Flight Time
T-38,T-33, T-37,T-39, C-47, U-6, Uh-1, C130A, B, E, &
prototype H, Kc-135 and B-52.
26 years commissioned. 34 Years total service USAF Accident Investigator
Instructor Accident Investigation, Embry-Riddle University
Management analyst and IG, simulator instructor,
Instructor Pilot, Standardization Evaluation Pilot,
Chief of Standardization of a Sac Wing equipped with B-52, RC-135 and Kc-135
Flew Cessna 177, Twin Bonanza, Cherokee-6
~200 hours as civilian private pilot
Newspaper columnist for 10 years, now a freelance writer

Mathias Frey
Switzerland
C340, C402
CPL/IR
ATPL “frozen”
500 hrs TT
5000+ hrs on ASTRAS, INTRAS and TOSIM, ATC Simulation
Assistant JAR OPS Transition Air Engiadina
Project Manager Air Alps Aviation

Jeff Dahlstrom
C-141 pilot in the early 70's during the Vietnam era:
2nd AF, 432nd MAWg, 18th Sq, MacGuire AFB, NJ.
Pilot training was class 70-06, at Laughlin AFB, Tx

Joe H. Ferguson
Retired Capt.
30,000TT
5,000 FE
USAF Ret.
T-6, T -28, B-25, B-29, KC-97
Frontier, Continental Airlines
DC - 3, CV 580, B737, MD80, DC10

Bill Reyes
Caravan Pilot for UPS Feeder
Commercial, Instrument,
Multi Engine, Flight Instructor
1500 TT
Ex Lieutenant USN Horn Of Africa/ Persian Gulf 02-03
Aboard USS Nassau (LHA-4)

Ralph “Rotten” Kolstad
23,000 hours
27 years in the airlines
B757/767 for 13 years mostly international captain
20 years US Navy flying fighters off aircraft carriers, TopGun twice
civilian pilot flying gliders, light airplanes and warbirds

Capt. Omar Pradhan
U.S. Air Force – AWACS command pilot
Flight Instructor U.S. Air Force Academy
Planes flown: Boeing E-3 Sentry AWACS (militarized Boeing 707-320B)
1,900+ hours flight time (350+ hours of combat air time over Afghanistan and Iraq)

Jared Eastley
5000 + TT
Airplane, Single & Multi-Engine Land, CFII, MEI, ATP
SWIV (Metroliner) - Single Pilot
Business Charter and Air Ambulance Pilot

Mike Aybar
Aircraft Maintenance Technician, Crew Chief
American Airlines

"Steven"
Canada ATC (in training)

James Edward Forst
First Officer EMB-145 Trans States Airlines
UND summa cum laude December 2006
Degree in Commercial Aviation and Aviation Management
CFI, CFII, and MEI 65% type CRJ

Hammish Brannan
Former United Kingdom air defense ground enviroment (UKADGE) RADAR technician
Primary and secondary ground radar systems
ATC & airborne systems (including radio) as an instructor for the Ministry of Defence (MOD)

Didier "Jay" Weenen
BAF retired
SIAI SF 260M, Potez Fouga Magister, BA/Do Alpha Jet,
F16A, C130H, C153, C172, C182, L45, various gliders

"Wes"
MD-88 American Airlines

Peter Rapp
Austria
PPL/IFR 950TT
Piper Turbo Arrow, PA32T Saratoga,
Cessna 172, Cessna 182T Garmin1000
Carry out business flights for clients and Co-Pi on Turbine Malibu and Beech90 Kingair.

Erin Myers
600TT
Private Pilot (single engine, land, VFR)
Cessna, Piper, Waco, Pitts, Citabria
R22s and a JetRanger.
Army Aviation 68G (maintenance and repair):
Blackhawk, Apache and OH58.
FAA A&P Mechanic
Experimental Aircraft Builder
1990 KitFox.Lanceair, Glassair, variety of Micro and Ultra lights.

Sean Dulac
Private Pilot
500TT

Christina Merrick
12,000+ TT ATP
A&P, CFIAIM, FE Turbojet
B-727, DC-9, SNJ-5, (T-6)
Navion and Bellanca Viking Current
Advanced Instructing
Consultant for AOPA Legal Attorneys
Eastern Airlines, ValuJet
Fellow Pilot and Friend of Captain Candi Chamberlain Kubeck
ValuJet flight 592, brought down in the Everglades May 1996

Dave Kisor
Former Aviation Electrician
USN / USNR Worked on A-4E/F, TA-4F/J
& A-7B/E ashore and afloat (CV-19, CV-43)
P-3B & C-9B. Back seat TA-4F/J & A-4F NWL
Flight & hangar deck fire fighting qualified
Jumped from UH-1N
BA & MA in Geography
Presently employed US Forest Service
Technician at the Riverside CA Fire Laboratory

Slawomir M. Kozak
Air Traffic Controller
Warsaw International Airport Tower Control Supervisor
On Job Training Unit Chief
Former President of Polish Air Traffic Controllers Association
Former member of Polish Airports State Enterprise Employee’s Council
Member of National Aviation Council
Member of International Aviation English Association
Journalist of aviation magazines
"National Geographic" aviation consultant
Actually writing a book about 9/11 events.
Book Now Available

Timothy Young
Comm, Inst, ME, Land & Sea, CFI
Airframe & Powerplant Mechanic
10,000+ Hrs. PIC
Aircraft Owner & Aviation Business Operator for 27 years

Greg Stone
Flight Attendant
American Airlines
LAX-I, 31-years

Michael Herzog
Private Pilot
Multi Engine Rated
1500TT
150, 152, 172, 210, Cherokee 140, Warrior, Twin Aerocommander
Profession : Talk Show Host
Republic Broadcasting Network
'The American Awakening'

Kevin Smith
Sailplane pilot
Producer, Alex Jones Show
Inforwars.com

Rodger Herbst
777 and 787 Aeronautics
Flight Controls and Simulation Engineering

Jeff Beck
Commercial, Instrument

Craig Hill
Post Solo Student Pilot
Ran as 9/11 Truth candidate for US Senate for Vermont in 2004 and 2006.
Producer of "Treason Inc"
Founder of the Green Party of Vermont
Helped organize four 9/11 Truth candidates appearing on statewide ballot in Vermont in 2006
Appeared on many televised debates promoting 9/11awareness
Public Appearances -
-C-SPAN2, Called for the arrest and removal of Bush, Cheney and much of DC for treason
-Spoken on 9/11 panels and podiums in many venues around the country, from NYC on several occasions
-9/11 Boston Tea Party at historic Faneuil Hall
-The Alex Jones-organized 9/11 event in LA
-The 2006 event in Chicago
Currently organizing impeachment drives in Vt and around the country to
broaden 9/11 awareness and surreptitiously expose the perps in proposed
congressional hearings in 2007.

Fredrick W. Harvey
Pilot
Silver Star
Bronze Star
Three Purple Hearts
Two Tours in Vietnam

John W. Travis, MD, MPH
Preventive Medicine, (Johns Hopkins)
Founder, first wellness center in US
Retired Pilot

Joe Frascone
B.S. Aeronautical Science
M.B.A. Dowling College
CFI CFII ATP MEI AGI

Lisa Long
Private Pilot, Single Engine Land
1978
http://AngelsForTruth.com

Art Carran
Commercial Certificate
Instrument Rating
350 Hours TT
Piper, Beech, and Cessna single-engine aircraft
Professional Engineer, State of Ohio
Aerospace Engineer

Harold Saive
Private Pilot
Single Engine Land

Captain Keith West (ret)
Continental Airlines
20,000 + Total Flight Time
Lear Jet, MD80, 737

Gordon Price
6 years RCAF ( CF-104)
36 Years Air Canada 747-400, retired

Daniel G. Martinez
Blackhawk and Turbine Engine Mech
18 year A&P
L-3 Vertex, Iraq

Pieter Lathuy
Capt A330/A340
Emirates Airline
Ex Belgian Air Force F-16

Adam Shaw
Wingman CAPTENS aerobatic airshow team
Former UPI and Washington Post reporter
Author SOUND OF IMPACT Viking Press
Instructor-Pilot

Jacob Moncrief
EMB-145 Captain
ExpressJet Airlines
3000TT

Naomi Watson
Flight Attendant - Delta Airlines
Based Atlanta

J. Elizabeth Sinclair
Airline Transport Pilot
G-1159 and G-IV type
Certified Flight Instructor - ASMEL
Instrument Instructor
35 years flying experience

James M. Craven
Commerical, Instrument
Ground Instructor (Advanced and Instrument)
Professor of Economics
Chairman Business Division
Clark College in Vancouver, WA.

R. Bruce Sinclair
Leduc , Alberta , Canada
42 years Flying
19,000 hours.
10 years on the Boeing 737
Captain on the Airbus A300-B4
Trained/Instructor in aircraft performance at Boeing
Beech King Air B200 on medevacs (air ambulance)

Eyewitness Experts
Aldo Marquis
Craig Ranke
Domenick DiMaggio
ThePentaCon - Citizen Investigation Team

PR Contacts
Jeff Hill
www.pumpitout.com

Rob Balsamo
Co-Founder
pilots@pilotsfor911truth.org


Researchers

"UnderTow"
15 year Technology Expert
US Researcher
Source: NTSB FOIA .csv file & .fdr file

Calum Douglas
UK Researcher
Source: NTSB FOIA Animation

David Ray Griffin
Emeritus Professor of Philosophy of Religion & Theology
Claremont School of Theology & Claremont Graduate University
Author or editor of some 30 books
"The New Pearl Harbor"
"The 9/11 Commission Report: Omissions and Distortions"
"Christian Faith and the Truth Behind 9/11"
"The American Empire and the Commonwealth of God"
"9/11 and American Empire: Intellectuals Speak Out"
"Debunking 9/11 Debunking:
An Answer to Popular Mechanics and Other Defenders of the Official Conspiracy Theory"
"9/11 Contradictions: An Open Letter to Congress and the Press."


Steven E. Jones, Ph.D.
Physics Professor (retired)
Ph.D. in Physics from Vanderbilt University
Chairperson of several international physics conferences
Research conducted at major laboratories in USA, Canada, United Kingdom and Japan
Over fifty peer-reviewed publications, including Nature, Scientific American and Physical Review Letters
Journal of 9/11 Studies - Focus on Goals
Why Indeed Did The World Trade Center Buildings Collapse

Chris Schubert
10 year IT-Professional & Database Administrator
Research and Translation
Developing German translation site of pilotsfor911truth.org

Rob Bishop
Talk Radio Host, "The Rob Bishop Show"
Truth Net Radio
Aviation mechanic MOS, United States Marine Corps

Garry Gilbert
IT Professional/DVD Consultant



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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Since they refuse to show the American people and the world the videos of the Pentagon strike I call foul. Nothing to hide? Then show us.

If I were in charge of an eventual trial, I wouldn't show you the evidence either. Why? Several reasons: 1) I wouldn't want to play my hand before it came to trial. 2) I would want to avoid such evidence being thrown out for being too prejudicial. 3) I would want to try the case in/around the nation's capital and I would not want to fuel a motion for change of venue.

Sick of the "truthers"? Then show us.

I would never show you, ever. Well, until it came to trial. 1) I have nothing to gain. Even if I showed it, most of the kooks will believe what they want to believe, as has been evidenced in this thread. 2) I couldn't care less what you people think. I don't care about all the silly web sites, or the Pilots/Military Commanders/Engineers/Any Group of Tools Here For 911 Truth.

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

The angle of that hotel video should show an object flying in from right to left. I found this link parallel to the video you posted:

http://www.pilotsfor911truth.org/

Members:

>snip idiotically long paste of the members<

Too bad none of them have any smoking guns either. Do you think if next time you post a list that is twice as long that that will constitute any more evidence than the zero that this list presented?

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

Eventual trial is a good thought,

And hiding info from the people that trust and fund you is a great reason to litigate.

You'll have to scroll down a little past Rush's post to see what he's trying to bury.


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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Since they refuse to show the American people and the world the videos of the Pentagon strike I call foul. Nothing to hide? Then show us.

Sick of the "truthers"? Then show us.


.

I've seen a few. One looks like a plane. One looks like it might be a missile. A couple of days ago, when I started following your thread, I saw one from a nearby gas station where no plane or anything striking the building at all is evident (only that there was an explosion). Maybe we should just believe all these contradictory things to play it safe? :)

Given that people like eye witness accounts, here's one from Mike Walter, the man who saw a "cruise missile with wings" (at least that's what you'll read in the French account).

And here you'll find several pictures of debris.

As for footage of the collision, there's some out there, including this. Not the best of angles, but it is a running camera (as opposed to stop motion).

Thanks bobby,

I'd like to see more. The pentagon has a plethora of cameras with many on the side hit.



The angle of that hotel video should show an object flying in from right to left.

Hope you didn't major in geography ;-). The aerial photo here shows that from the vantage point of the Doubletree the plane would come from the west (left) and head east (to the right of the frame), as the hotel is south of the Pentagon. Perhaps you were thinking of the Sheraton?

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I think you'll find it's a bit more complicated than that ...

Eventual trial is a good thought,

And hiding info from the people that trust and fund you is a great reason to litigate.

No, if you're the gov't, it's a way to give yourself every possible advantage in a criminal prosecution.

You'll have to scroll down a little past Rush's post to see what he's trying to bury.

Oh yeah, that's why I post here. To move a post a few inches higher or lower on a page, depending on one's personal settings.

That's simply brilliant.

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Cordially,
Rush

elrushbo2@theobviousgmail.com
Remove the obvious...

Since they refuse to show the American people and the world the videos of the Pentagon strike I call foul. Nothing to hide? Then show us.

Sick of the "truthers"? Then show us.


.

I've seen a few. One looks like a plane. One looks like it might be a missile. A couple of days ago, when I started following your thread, I saw one from a nearby gas station where no plane or anything striking the building at all is evident (only that there was an explosion). Maybe we should just believe all these contradictory things to play it safe? :)

Oh for crying out loud, JUST DRINK the Kool-Aid.

Please be sure to read all of my posts in this thread (there aren't that many).

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Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.

Since they refuse to show the American people and the world the videos of the Pentagon strike I call foul. Nothing to hide? Then show us.

Sick of the "truthers"? Then show us.


.

I've seen a few. One looks like a plane. One looks like it might be a missile. A couple of days ago, when I started following your thread, I saw one from a nearby gas station where no plane or anything striking the building at all is evident (only that there was an explosion). Maybe we should just believe all these contradictory things to play it safe? :)

Oh for crying out loud, JUST DRINK the Kool-Aid.

Please be sure to read all of my posts in this thread (there aren't that many).

I think She's making fun of the situation and not saying anything about your comment Sarge.

Text sucks sometimes.


bobby: I live in California so reposted what the vidoe poster wrote. It could very well be reversed. Either way the video shows nothing but smoke.

Rush: It's funny to think you wouldn't listen to experts in the fields covered simply because they're opinions go against what you want to believe. In a court of law I guarantee their opinions would weigh more than just some guy who knows little about the subjects.


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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Since they refuse to show the American people and the world the videos of the Pentagon strike I call foul. Nothing to hide? Then show us.

Sick of the "truthers"? Then show us.


.

I've seen a few. One looks like a plane. One looks like it might be a missile. A couple of days ago, when I started following your thread, I saw one from a nearby gas station where no plane or anything striking the building at all is evident (only that there was an explosion). Maybe we should just believe all these contradictory things to play it safe? :)

Given that people like eye witness accounts, here's one from Mike Walter, the man who saw a "cruise missile with wings" (at least that's what you'll read in the French account).

And here you'll find several pictures of debris.

As for footage of the collision, there's some out there, including this. Not the best of angles, but it is a running camera (as opposed to stop motion).

Thanks, Bobby. I've watched one so far and this was a related video in the same vein.

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Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.

As for footage of the collision, there's some out there, including this. Not the best of angles, but it is a running camera (as opposed to stop motion).

Doesn't show the airplane? It certainly shows something following a path that ends in an explosion.

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Capitalize on this good fortune, one word can bring you round ... changes.

As for footage of the collision, there's some out there, including this. Not the best of angles, but it is a running camera (as opposed to stop motion).

Doesn't show the airplane? It certainly shows something following a path that ends in an explosion.

Interesting,

I didn't see anything the first time since it blends in with the cars traveling in the same direction. Switched computers to big screen. Laptop let me down even with 17 " monitor.

Reassessing.

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"Be who you are and say what you feel, because those who mind don't matter and those who matter don't mind." - Dr. Seuss

Back to the original question: ok, so maybe the plane was being flown lower for longer than I thought. Is there information on this? For example, is there info stating how long before striking that they'd pulled out of the dive? We're they skimming just above the highways for a few minutes?

Also, how many of you have been in auto accident? Did that involve hitting concrete on the side of the road (for example, concrete guards in areas where there's a steep drop to the side of the road)? In 1994, on my way back from an interview, I was on an interstate, doing plus or minus 1 or 2 mph the speed limit (65 or 70?). It was 1-2 a.m. A drunk 19 y.o. passed two semis doing 80-100 m.p.h. He pulled back in to the right lane and realized too late I was there and how quickly he was coming up on me. As he pulled back out to try to pass, he clipped the left rear end of my car. I was sent spinning, hitting the concrete on the side of the road many times. Guess which thing suffered damage? The car or the concrete. All reports indicate the concrete (as well as myself) were shaken and stunned but undamaged. The car was totaled. Now imagine a plane at 300-500 m.p.h. slamming directly into really really strong concrete. I can see much of the plane being pulverized in this action.

What originally did not make sense to me was the path. So, now I am asking for info about that path, if it exists. (Height, over what, etc. ... .)

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As for footage of the collision, there's some out there, including this. Not the best of angles, but it is a running camera (as opposed to stop motion).

Doesn't show the airplane? It certainly shows something following a path that ends in an explosion.

Interesting,

I didn't see anything the first time since it blends in with the cars traveling in the same direction. Switched computers to big screen. Laptop let me down even with 17 " monitor.

Reassessing.

OK, so say the plane is going "due" east. You can see a car going, say, southeast. But I can still see something, possibly a plane.

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Rush: It's funny to think you wouldn't listen to experts in the fields covered simply because they're opinions go against what you want to believe.

I didn't say I wouldn't listen to them. I said that your posting of some insanely long list doesn't constitute evidence of anything. It's isn't an argument for a position to list a bunch of people that agree with you--even if the next silly list you post is twice as long.

The problem with listing or quoting experts is that there are experts on both sides of the situation. Some of them are really qualified in things that really may lend some credence to their opinion. Many of them aren't at all.

In a court of law I guarantee their opinions would weigh more than just some guy who knows little about the subjects.

Sure. And most of the "sources" you post, and things like "Loose Change: The Idiot's Cut" and the rest of them would be dismissed nearly out of hand because they AREN'T experts. Because their misleading tactics and overt bias is apparent.

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Interesting,

I didn't see anything the first time since it blends in with the cars traveling in the same direction. Switched computers to big screen. Laptop let me down even with 17 " monitor.

Reassessing.

So, what happened here? Oops?

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Cordially,
Rush

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Back to the original question: ok, so maybe the plane was being flown lower for longer than I thought. Is there information on this? For example, is there info stating how long before striking that they'd pulled out of the dive? We're they skimming just above the highways for a few minutes?

If you look around, you can find pics of the streetlights that were sheared off by the wings of the plane as it approached the building.

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Cordially,
Rush

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