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 Robert Waite  Send message Joined: 23 Oct 07 Posts: 2417 Credit: 18,192,122 RAC: 59 
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When in England at a fairly large conference, Colin Tom, the investor class isn't interested in land. They want the resources and infrastructure. ID: 708695 ·  |
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Franz Bauer Send message Joined: 8 Feb 01 Posts: 127 Credit: 9,690,361 RAC: 0
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Stephen Harper, the Prime Minister of Canada, in my opinion is all of the following: Robert: I agree with you on all the above points except for Kyoto. Yes Global warming is a fact, but all the doom and gloom associated with it is based on alot of phoney science. These doomsday sayers, are just wiping up the masses for the next great "rape and pillage" of our tax dollars and whatever else is left in our wallets. I've spent several years researching the issue and global warming will result in more benefits than negatives. For one, if we crank up the temperature by 2 degrees we will avoid the next ice age. If you want death and destruction, just wait around until the next one hits. Which by the way, is just around the corner in geological time. Franz ID: 708711 · |
Jeffrey  Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0 |
Yes Global warming is a fact, but [snip] Just what we needed in this thread, another 'can of worms'... ;)  It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .
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Franz Bauer Send message Joined: 8 Feb 01 Posts: 127 Credit: 9,690,361 RAC: 0
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Yes Global warming is a fact, but [snip] Hey Jeffrey: Don’t get your rosary beads in a knot or trip over your prayer rug. Besides, worms are good for fishing. :) Franz ID: 708721 · |
Fuzzy Hollynoodles  Send message Joined: 3 Apr 99 Posts: 9659 Credit: 251,998 RAC: 0 |
... Besides, worms are good for fishing. :) And birds feed well on them. ;-D  "I'm trying to maintain a shred of dignity in this world." - Me 
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Robert Waite Send message Joined: 23 Oct 07 Posts: 2417 Credit: 18,192,122 RAC: 59
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Thanks Franz Agreement in 5/6 isn't too bad at all. I heard on the radio last week that if the US were to build 250 thousand wind generation plants, they would eliminate the need for coal, oil/gas, bio-mass and nuclear power generators. We in Canada have approx. 1/10th the population of the States so our needs could be covered by 25 thousand wind powered plants. At the very least, by investing in these, we'd eliminate the emissions from such plants and the dangers of spent nuclear waste leaving us with clean energy from a very renewable source. I tend to believe that we have created the problem of global warming and I would prefer that we err on the side that says reduce emissions. If those warning us about the issue are wrong, and we build the plants anyway, we end up with cleaner air to breath, no nuclear waste and our oil lasts longer. If they're right, and we do nothing about it...well, we all know the predictions. ID: 708827 · |
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Robert Waite Send message Joined: 23 Oct 07 Posts: 2417 Credit: 18,192,122 RAC: 59
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So Scary, your line of reasoning is to define the word "lie" then go on to describe those you disagree with as liars? I disagree with the closing line of your post. ID: 708833 · |
Qui-Gon  Send message Joined: 15 May 99 Posts: 2940 Credit: 19,199,902 RAC: 11 
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Words mean things. A 'lie' means communication with intent to deceive. So Bobby, your ploy is to accuse the President of lying, give no examples of lies, then ignore the actual meaning of the the word "lie" to justify your position? Most people are smarter than that . . . you clearly are not. ID: 708850 · |
Scary Capitalist  Send message Joined: 21 May 01 Posts: 7404 Credit: 97,085 RAC: 0
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Words mean things. "Bush Lied, People Died!" code pink style bumper stinker nonsense doesn't make an argument. When you claim that someone 'lied' you have to show how. Even if like many posters HERE claim they believe in God or Allah or whatever.....and I claim to know this is FALSE. I cannot claim them to be LIARS. They honestly believe in what they believe whether or not it's true. You can even claim the world is flat and not be a liar although the factual content of your claim is objectively false, sir. You're doing what is called 'concept smuggling'. You take one facet of a concept and try to sneak it into the greater abstract idea and then straw man argument that into a bumper stinker argument. ========== BTW. WMD's were found. Just not the kind we were looking for. And we had a right to enter that country on numerous levels of treaties. One was the '91 ceasefire. Which did not end the war....but that's too long to fit on a bumper stinker mentality. Founder of BOINC team Objectivists. Oh the humanity! Rational people crunching data! I did NOT authorize this belly writing! 
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BrainSmashR  Send message Joined: 7 Apr 02 Posts: 1772 Credit: 384,573 RAC: 0
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To bad you can't see what makes you an enemy sympathizer though... What makes you think other Americans are the enemy?   
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BrainSmashR Send message Joined: 7 Apr 02 Posts: 1772 Credit: 384,573 RAC: 0
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Interestingly enough, I don't see lot's of folks other than you and Jeffery starting topics to criticize America either....funny how that works, huh?
Likewise, the Frenchie with the moped considers any disagreement with his lies and propaganda as an attempt at "derailing" a topic of conversation.
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Robert Waite Send message Joined: 23 Oct 07 Posts: 2417 Credit: 18,192,122 RAC: 59
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I am critical of American government foreign policies. America itself, and the vast majority of it's people are not the problem. What other country in the world has such opportunity and potential for a true example to the world of how things could be. The problem is that the people have allowed corporate interests to overide the needs and asperations of their own. So once again, critical of American government policies, not critical of the American people. Got that? Good. Before you jump all over me, I acknowledge that the same thing has started to happen here in Canada where the corporate media seems to be controlling what we see and hear with a slant that favours the interests of business and the investor class. Thankfully, we still have a nation wide public radio system (CBC) which is independant of direct government control and carries no advertizing. A lot of the programming is just filler but the CBC also carries news and interviews which are not heard on commercial radio which expose many of the stories that the corporations don't want us to know. CBC also runs international news and opinion overnight in hourly segments from various places around the globe. We get to hear news from Poland, Africa, Australia and others. The rest of the world does have opinons and angles on the events we are interested in that differ from what we are told by our elites. ID: 709172 · |
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Franz Bauer Send message Joined: 8 Feb 01 Posts: 127 Credit: 9,690,361 RAC: 0
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....We in Canada have approx. 1/10th the population of the States so our needs could be covered by 25 thousand wind powered plants... Hi Robert: Your points are well taken. You may be interested in the following Danish web site Wind Power that I came across several years ago. Select “Know How†and then “GUIDED TOURâ€Â. This will give you or anyone interested a very good primer on wind energy. An alternate to wind turbines can be water turbines. Not the Niagara Falls or Hoover Dam kind. Simply take a wind turbine (some re-engineering required), flip it upside down and stick it into a flowing river. A wind turbine’s output depends on the wind velocity, rotor area and air density. Since the density of water is approx. 816 times that of air (1,000 kg/m3 vs 1.225 kg/m3 for air at STP) you would get the same output for a significantly smaller rotor area. This output would be 24/7/365 not just when the wind decides to blow. We have plenty of rivers that can accommodate literally hundreds of water turbines. Franz ID: 709184 · |
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Franz Bauer Send message Joined: 8 Feb 01 Posts: 127 Credit: 9,690,361 RAC: 0
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The war in Iraq has nothing to do with weapons of mass destruction or bringing democracy to the people of Iraq. It has everything to do with corporate greed, the global policies of the IMF and World Bank conjured up by the Chicago Boys. Everything that we have been told by our so called elected leaders is nothing more than a fairy tale to keep us quiet and in the dark as to what is actually happening. Iraq is literally being systematically “Raped and Pillaged†of all its businesses and resources by foreign corporations. If your country has troops in Iraq, your country’s corporations get a share of the spoils. The so called elected government officials in Iraq are simply stooges of the IMF and World Bank to try and give a semblance of legality to the “Raping and Pillaging†and suppression of its citizens by bute force. It’s all for the glory of untold profits. ID: 709200 · |
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BrainSmashR Send message Joined: 7 Apr 02 Posts: 1772 Credit: 384,573 RAC: 0
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I am critical of American government foreign policies. You seem to forget that it's the people who elect the members of our government.
Everyone in America has the opportunity to succeed, but it takes hard work and sacrifice. Asking for hand-outs and complaining because you wasted your vote on a liberal piece of crap doesn't cut it.
Pretty sure I never used the word people. If you want to argue, then argue with what I've stated, not what your lack of reading comprehension skills mislead you to believe I stated.
God forbid intelligent and successful people are used as examples...
Broadcasting companies like PBS and NPR exist here as well.
Interestingly enough, I don't really care what people in Poland, Africa, Australia OR Canada think about our government. What I care about is the truthfulness of their claims....something you still have a problem with.
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Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0 |
Broadcasting companies like PBS and NPR exist here as well. Odd, I've never seen a news broadcast on PBS, and I've never even heard of NPR... What I care about is the truthfulness of their claims Good to see that we're finally getting back on topic... ;) It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .
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BrainSmashR Send message Joined: 7 Apr 02 Posts: 1772 Credit: 384,573 RAC: 0
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Broadcasting companies like PBS and NPR exist here as well. Your ignorance doesn't change the facts any...but it does show how little you know about the world around you. http://www.pbs.org/newshour/ http://www.npr.org/
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Jeffrey Send message Joined: 21 Nov 03 Posts: 4793 Credit: 26,029 RAC: 0 |
And once again, we are derailed... ;) It may not be 1984 but George Orwell sure did see the future . . .
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Robert Waite Send message Joined: 23 Oct 07 Posts: 2417 Credit: 18,192,122 RAC: 59
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Qui-Gon You asked for proof from a site you trust and acknowledge as legitimate. It took some digging, but I found an item that you can't argue against. It comes from The White House site. It's George Bush's letter to congress dated March 18, 2003. It explains his intent toward Iraq and the legislation he claims backs up his position. Allow me to quote article 2 of the letter. "2) acting pursuant to the Constitution and Public Law 107-243 is consistant with the United States and other countries continuing to take the necessary actions against international terrorists and terrorist organizations, including those nations,organizations,or persons who planned, authorized, committed or aided the terrorist attacks that occurred on September 11, 2001." I found the proof of Bush's lying in his own writings to your House of Congress. Let's see you spin this one to fit your view of events. http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2003/03/20030319-1.html ID: 709520 · |
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Robert Waite Send message Joined: 23 Oct 07 Posts: 2417 Credit: 18,192,122 RAC: 59
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And once again, we are derailed... ;) We're back on track Jeffrey. ID: 709522 · |
... ;)
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